| Diizzy United States. May 12 2012 23:13. Posts 742 | Profile # |
| not his best ep but i love 99% of any of his other eps. |
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| FreudianTrip Switzerland. May 12 2012 23:17. Posts 1882 | Profile # |
On May 12 2012 23:11 TheSir wrote:
well JP doesn't get it
Don't worry, he fired us guys.Last edit: 2012-05-12 23:17:42 |
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| Kuni Austria. May 12 2012 23:20. Posts 712 | Profile Blog # |
JP seems to do much more than just sit in front of his computer once a week and do a SOTG show. Is he an awesome caster? Obviously not. Is he some Sc2 genius? Obviously not. However, he does seem to be someone who works hard behind the scenes. Work should be respected, even when it is not in the spotlight.
Is SOTG indy? Hell the fuck no. Is SOTG no fluff? Way the fuck not. Is SOTG biased? It most certainly is.
But is it fun? Is it enjoyable to watch? Does it provide a lot of information for the viewers? Do we get to see interviews with people we wouldn't normally see interviewed? Yes, yes, yes and motherfucking yes.
Some episodes are weaker than others, but that's kind of obvious and has nothing to do with the show itself.
There's a lot of hate and a lot of criticism. Don't mistake criticism for hate, even though you might not like or agree with the criticism. Just do it like Day9. Never read anything and have your friends tell you only of the good things that are written and said about yourself, so you think everything is love, peace and harmony. That way everybody can believe that the SC2 community is awesome. |
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| TheSir May 12 2012 23:26. Posts 1577 | Profile # |
On May 12 2012 23:17 FreudianTrip wrote:Don't worry, he fired us guys.
Im not worried, i almost never watch this show unless there's a interesting guest, otherwise i have enough with LO3 and ITG.
It's just funny to see that JP just doesn't get it. |
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| ronpaul012 United States. May 12 2012 23:34. Posts 755 | Profile # |
I don't get the JP casting hate. 1st of all, he's a master player, which by no means makes him a great caster. But it does mean that he's better than 95% of the people listening to his casts. 2nd of all, has he ever casted anything besides MLG? It doesn't seem like he wants to cast. It seems as if MLG would like to have JP casting, not the other way around.
Honestly I don't know how some of you aren't being warned/banned for whats being said. It's embarrassing. |
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| Soap Brazil. May 12 2012 23:38. Posts 1140 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm grateful for the content being put forth, but to call an interview with your boss over an announcement a "SOTG" is pretty cheap. Should it be treated properly there would be no problem. |
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| Wheva United States. May 12 2012 23:58. Posts 12 | Profile # |
On May 12 2012 12:30 monx wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 10:20 MountainGoat wrote:
They shouldn't call it SOTG if its just a short interview with someone to publicize MLG. Just say "hey I'm gonna interview someone. iNcontroL will be there too". It's really only SOTG if its an actual cohesive show with multiple discussions.
at least someone like iNControL is asking the right questions.
JP cant ask the right questions because Sundance is his boss, so it becomes an awkward and sensitive situation for him, Incontrol has no real ties to MLG so he cant ask whatever he wants without getting in trouble |
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| Jepsyn Canada. May 12 2012 23:59. Posts 316 | Profile # |
| More and more this shows why r/starcraft is a cesspit |
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| OneBk Sweden. May 13 2012 00:05. Posts 154 | Profile # |
On May 12 2012 23:58 Wheva wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:30 monx wrote:
On May 12 2012 10:20 MountainGoat wrote:
They shouldn't call it SOTG if its just a short interview with someone to publicize MLG. Just say "hey I'm gonna interview someone. iNcontroL will be there too". It's really only SOTG if its an actual cohesive show with multiple discussions.
at least someone like iNControL is asking the right questions.
JP cant ask the right questions because Sundance is his boss, so it becomes an awkward and sensitive situation for him, Incontrol has no real ties to MLG so he cant ask whatever he wants without getting in trouble
He probrbly can, but not formelate himself in a way that woulde be bad for himself. |
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| RndmGdNck United States. May 13 2012 00:12. Posts 60 | Profile # |
On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media.
User was warned for this post (unnecessary flaming)
You have to understand what it looks like to the average watcher and that your image says to them: corporate sellout/shill. I also agree that some in the community went overboard and overreacted but you have to turn a blind eye.
If you don't think there is any critism to be had for what happened yesterday then I think it shows how deep into the old boys club you really are. Yea unique because you work with the guy which in turn doesn't make it unique.
Bring iNcontroL on was the right idea. The fact that it was planned 15 minutes only made it look worse and I don't mean from a production standpoint. Why not wait a week? Hell why not for this one time try to go back to the old time slot to talk about this. I mean wasn't it a few SOTGs ago where you said that they hadn't announced this yet and so you couldn't talk about it. Why didn't they get more planned out ahead of time especially cause you work for MLG.
Your reply adds more to the flames then what most of the community has said. You read way, way too much into things thinking the majority of SC community is in outrage why do the personalities/pros always overreact too, come on think about it.
A lot of people are upset with the agreement between Kespa and MLG too. Why does Sundance wield all this power? Why does he get to decide what other tournaments get to go to besides MLG? How does he get to decide what is best for this players? This just shows that there needs to be a better international body for SC2 than something like G7. This is a scenario where too much power is in one man's hands and really the only checks and balances is the community having to go into an outrage over it.
Look in this thread on reddit: Talking about your respond. One with the most upvotes is an overreaction. Is the whole community behind him? NO of course not.
Look JP both sides made mistakes, lets just apologize and move on. |
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| integrity United States. May 13 2012 00:25. Posts 1008 | Profile # |
| i remember a while ago when day9 was on and they were talking about new comers. what day9 said, for him to do a daily he had been thinking about the daily all day to prepare for the show. and day9 advice to the new comers was that they should put more time in effort into producing their show. so JP my advice to you is don't put on a SoTG in 15mins with no planning and only 1 topic because the shows quality will tank. the news JUST came out it would still be relevant even if you waited till next Tuesday and you would have a better show. |
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| integrity United States. May 13 2012 00:26. Posts 1008 | Profile # |
On May 12 2012 23:59 Jepsyn wrote:
More and more this shows why r/starcraft is a cesspit
pst...
it not only r/starcraft hence why JP responded on TL |
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| Swampsteel United States. May 13 2012 00:29. Posts 81 | Profile # |
| To me, I just <3 SOTG, and I'm sad when it isn't on, but I <3 it no matter what, that is it. |
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| BaconofWar United States. May 13 2012 00:33. Posts 355 | Profile Blog # |
I'm sorry JP that we members of the community have taken part in this asinine shit of a flame session. I'm sorry that we don't understand how businesses work, and that we don't understand that we aren't the only thing in this community. I'm finally sorry that we took all of this shit and dumped it on you, the person who is simply trying to be a nice person and give us more information about a huge deal in the world of E-sports. We should be ashamed of ourselves, both here and on R/Starcraft, except reddit doesn't understand the idea of being wrong. So I'm sorry that you have to hear all of this shit, despite what you do for this community.
Also, why was JP warned for unnecessary flaming. Seeing the amount of shit we as a community just dumped on him, I don't see the unnecessary part of it.Last edit: 2012-05-13 00:36:18 |
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| nicotn Netherlands. May 13 2012 01:07. Posts 185 | Profile # |
On May 12 2012 20:09 Jisunsu wrote:
I really don't expect much from any internet community. What I observe is that there are no sacred cows in this on-going "witch hunt". A lot of people (of varying degrees of self-entitlement) would attack (or troll) community members, regardless how much contribution he or she does for e-sports (or in SC2 in particular).. all under the guise of "criticism". Look at what this "community" did to Milkis for example.
Yeah, because Milkis really didn't cause it himself..
On May 12 2012 23:34 ronpaul012 wrote:
I don't get the JP casting hate. 1st of all, he's a master player, which by no means makes him a great caster. But it does mean that he's better than 95% of the people listening to his casts. 2nd of all, has he ever casted anything besides MLG? It doesn't seem like he wants to cast. It seems as if MLG would like to have JP casting, not the other way around.
Honestly I don't know how some of you aren't being warned/banned for whats being said. It's embarrassing.
He casted blizzcon.
On May 13 2012 00:33 BaconofWar wrote:
I'm sorry JP that we members of the community have taken part in this asinine shit of a flame session. I'm sorry that we don't understand how businesses work, and that we don't understand that we aren't the only thing in this community. I'm finally sorry that we took all of this shit and dumped it on you, the person who is simply trying to be a nice person and give us more information about a huge deal in the world of E-sports. We should be ashamed of ourselves, both here and on R/Starcraft, except reddit doesn't understand the idea of being wrong. So I'm sorry that you have to hear all of this shit, despite what you do for this community.
Also, why was JP warned for unnecessary flaming. Seeing the amount of shit we as a community just dumped on him, I don't see the unnecessary part of it.
Stop being such a unbearable white knight, and stop using WE, you are not the fucking voice of the community.Last edit: 2012-05-13 01:18:45 |
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| SimDawg United States. May 13 2012 01:43. Posts 1292 | Profile # |
People are making their living off of videogames and being celebrities.
I realize people aren't getting rich, but it's a place 99% of us business stiffs would give our left arms to be in. So I understand the pressure, I understand the work and the difficulties of fame.
And I also understand getting frustrated and flying off the handle every once in awhile. I don't think anyone is above that.
But seriously, any sort of criticism people get, deserved or undeserved, is a perfectly valid result of your job. Casters/players/anyone else. Let's not lose sight of that fact. |
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| dwhaaat May 13 2012 01:56. Posts 4 | Profile # |
I think this latest outburst against SOTG was a product of pent up agression. I don't think I'm the only one that thinks the show quality has suffered the last 10 or so episodes. SOTG is a great show that has had many great moments but it has really been lacking lately.
For me SOTG used to be something I looked forward to every week. So what has changed? I think the inconsistent schedule has directly caused the show to suffer. Shows appear to be thrown together at the last minute. From JP's perspective, without knowing when shows are going to be, it is hard to do the proper preparation. MLG topics are easy to talk about because JP intimately knows them. I don't think the show has to be MLG centric. There is always more that could be discussed on the show. Hopefully SOTG finds a day of the week and sticks with it. That would probably solve most of the issues.
TL;DR Many of us really enjoy SOTG, we're just concerned with its quality lately. |
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| JazzJackrabbit Canada. May 13 2012 02:09. Posts 630 | Profile # |
On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media.
User was warned for this post (unnecessary flaming)
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| pepsimaxibon May 13 2012 02:27. Posts 61 | Profile # |
On May 13 2012 00:33 BaconofWar wrote:
I'm sorry JP that we members of the community have taken part in this asinine shit of a flame session. I'm sorry that we don't understand how businesses work, and that we don't understand that we aren't the only thing in this community. I'm finally sorry that we took all of this shit and dumped it on you, the person who is simply trying to be a nice person and give us more information about a huge deal in the world of E-sports. We should be ashamed of ourselves, both here and on R/Starcraft, except reddit doesn't understand the idea of being wrong. So I'm sorry that you have to hear all of this shit, despite what you do for this community.
Also, why was JP warned for unnecessary flaming. Seeing the amount of shit we as a community just dumped on him, I don't see the unnecessary part of it.
you sound like you have confidence issues. JP made a shoddy show to promote an announcement made the company he works for, some people took issue with this. you don't have to hold a knife to your stomach and beg for forgiveness because an esports personality threw a tantrum over legitimate criticism.
anyone parroting the pitchfork witch-hunt narrative that certain personalities are overtly eager to sew, in order throw a firewall up between them and criticism, needs to seriously consider developing their critical faculties.Last edit: 2012-05-13 02:32:33 |
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| Lorch Germany. May 13 2012 02:34. Posts 2204 | Profile # |
The fact that JP was warned for his post on tl is such a fucking joke, I feel like the tl dictatorship needs to loosen up a bit and not run around banning/warning for totally retarded reasons.
Other than that I feel really bad for JP. He just wanted to allow the community to ask sundance some questions about this huge announcement, personally I really enjoyed the show and thought it was really cool that they put it together so quickly. The sc2 community nowadays really needs to pull the stick out of their asses and chill out more, the fact that sponsors are getting messaged on a almost weekly base for some random shit, tournaments are flammed for stuff instead of praised for the fact that we even have these amazing tournaments all over the planet and now we also bitch about free content? I really wish I could go back in time and kick the morrons who led up to orbs loosing his job/destiny getting shitted on/jp raging on the community (rightful imo) in their fucking asses.
The most ironic part is that I'm probably gonna get banned from tl for expressing my opinion, cool censorship guys.
User was temp banned for this post.Last edit: 2012-05-13 02:36:03 |
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