Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2279

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On May 28 2012 23:43 jarf1337 wrote:


I think your signature says it all. That's a simple rehash of edison's quote about failure and creating lightbulbs. Day9 is no super human and he has profited greatly (Artosis has talked about their awesome new caster salaries) from the scene. He does owe the fans something, as without fans the entire scene is destroyed.

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On May 28 2012 17:23 farnham wrote:
day9 needs to apologize to the scene or leave the scene after this debacle with last shadow

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On May 29 2012 00:47 Young Terran wrote:
i really liked the choice to invite illusion it gives new up and comers a chance to shine

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On May 28 2012 23:17 Dosey wrote:

You're forgetting that he actually has a team and is very active in team leagues as well...

Plus he didn't go 0-4 in maps and leave the event.

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On May 28 2012 18:29 Duravi wrote:

I agree that saying day9 should leave the scene is stupid, but I am getting tired of all the white knighting for him. My opinions of how his casting and show have gone downhill over the past year are just that, opinions, but this Last Shadow debacle really tarnished day. On SotG (or was it Lo3) he didn't even acknowledge that LS had past issues (hell the guy even got kicked out of the GOM house), and basically dodged everything he was asked by diverting into some narcissistic monologue following every question. I hope someone can bring Day back down to earth, how he portrays himself has changed drastically in the past 1 to 1 1/2 years.

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On May 29 2012 01:06 mcc wrote:

And you continue with making the thread even more retarded by fabricating stories. On Lo3 Sean said he does not know anything about any BM issues, he did not deny that there are. And what questions did he dodge by narcissistic monologue ? You mean the non-sensical 2GD's remark they were discussing ?

Btw. the GOM house controversy is as far as I know bunch of untrustworthy people claiming different things.

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On May 29 2012 01:07 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:


oh come on. The guy was a known hacker/bm'er in BW. As if you can pretend Day9 had never heard of this.

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On May 29 2012 01:07 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:


oh come on. The guy was a known hacker/bm'er in BW. As if you can pretend Day9 had never heard of this.

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On May 29 2012 00:47 Young Terran wrote:
i really liked the choice to invite illusion it gives new up and comers a chance to shine

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On May 29 2012 00:44 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The debate shouldn't be about the particular players that were invited.

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On May 29 2012 01:19 Noobity wrote:
I don't think there are many people who wouldn't have said that there were going to be some poor performances at this event, and if you have half a brain you'd have guessed the poor performers would have ended up being the vast majority of the foreigners. Should they have just not invited any foreigners at all?

Hell they had players drop out before the tournament anyway, Seems to me like they had more trouble filling the spots than anything else. If I had to invite 16 players to a tournament, and could only get my top 12, you can bet your ass a friend of mine would be one of the last 4 when I didn't expect any of the other picks to do well in the tournament anyway. Nepotism is, unfortunately, not illegal in the states (at least not my state, where I'm currently looking for a new job to replace the one I'm at now where nepotism killed it) and I don't see how we can realistically be angry about a free to watch tournament that ended up with one questionable invite.

And as many have said, you can be annoyed with Day[9]'s invite of this guy (though to be honest I'd bet money that red bull could have said "nahhhh, lets not invite this relative no-name", and that Sean wasn't the only person involved in invites) but that's really as far as you can go without being unreasonable. Like or hate his casting, his demeanor, or anything else about him all you want, but he's done more for the scene than you have (this includes like every pro). It would be one thing if he said "Oh, SC2 is a terrible game, the people who play it are terrible, I'm only in this for the money" but a poor decision on an invite is a remarkably stupid reason to get on someone's case.

For the record, what I watched of the red bull battlegrounds was phenomenal, showing some amazing games, and I loved the shit out of the casting. I don't care if they invite Noobity, the diamond level NA player to play against a pool with Incontrol, Ostojiy, and Drewbie. I'll still watch those games, take them with a grain of salt, and look forward to the bracket play because this shit ain't easy, and everyone makes mistakes, and not everyone invited to a tournament can win a game sometimes, regardless of how difficult their pool is.

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On May 29 2012 01:42 takingbackoj wrote:

The only thing I disagree with in this post is they Day9 has done more for the scene then "like every pro". I guess I don't know all of his goings on or what not but I know plenty of people who follow this game from a spectator standpoint who has never seen anything Day9 has done.

Hes done a lot of good no doubt but I think sometimes we underestimate what the pros and some of the other personalities involved in SC2 do. I feel like Day9 does a lot that is focused on newer players which is good and fine, but a blanket "he's done more than anyone" statement isn't really true.

Day9 has his daily streams, casting, and the occasional appearance on SOTG or what have you i'm not sure what he does that sets him apart from pro players or guys like artosis. I mean you have players like Incontrol who stream every day, appear on shows, cast, and compete competitively. Same for Sheth, Grubby, and many other players.
Artosis doesn't stream daily but he does a lot over at gom that we fans can really see you know. He streams occasionally, he interviews a lot of players we otherwise would never hear from, of course he casts the most prestigious tournaments in SC2, tours team houses, and also appears on shows.

Day9 has done a lot of good things for the community no doubt, but I have begun to realize that the whole "he's done more for E-sports" argument isn't really true.

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On May 28 2012 21:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:


His game knowledge is poor these days.

He consistantly overemphasises things which aren't important.

He overhypes everything to the point of insulting the intelligence of the viewers (if the supply is 200 vs 70 the game is over Sean, stop shouting).

He is extremely biased towards foreign players

His knowledge of players (especially Koreans) is really poor, he doesn't know which tournaments they've done well and doesn't know their best matchups or the styles they favour.

He is extremely positive about players even as they play really poorly and especially when foreigners play he will never call a spade a spade.

The standard of casters in general is so poor compared with mainstream sports. It's unbelievable that so many casters don't know how players they're casting play or their strengths and weaknesses.

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On May 29 2012 00:44 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The debate shouldn't be about the particular players that were invited. The debate should be about whether these type of "wild card" players should be invited at all. If we do accept unproven players for the unique benefits they provide to the lineup then we must also accept that sometimes they will get decimated. It isn't a mistake in retrospect when players like LS and Ostojiy go 0-3. I think everyone would be extremely grateful to Day[9] and Red Bull if they catapulted a new and interesting player into prominence. But if that happened, it doesn't mean they'd then double the amount of unproven players they invite. Just like the opposite doesn't mean they remove all unproven players from future Battlegrounds.

Some people view invitationals as barriers for new players because "the same people get invited every time." In that case, popular players who the educated minority know don't deserve a spot still get spots to please the majority. Red Bull Battlegrounds does the opposite. There is some educated minority that knows certain players are on the verge of a breakthrough and they just need a few chances. The majority will wonder why the hell these random guys got invites over their more proven favorite player.

Invitationals purposely tend toward one of those two directions while also inviting the best players or they just invite the best players. None of the three ways is the correct way to do it. They'll run the kind of event they want to run. But if the community felt strongly enough one way or the other, it could force their hand. Personally I like a bit of every type of event.

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