| Demi9OD United States. September 10 2010 02:48. Posts 56 | Profile # |
| Are roaches really more cost effective tanks than zerglings against mass stalkers? Sure game 6 showed some nice borrow micro that allowed the roaches to be effective but swapping all those roach larva for lings in game 7 and flanking with half of them would have denied the blink micro and at the very least forced Kiwi back on the defensive till Dimaga's tier 3 came online. Forcefields would block lings more than roaches, but the roach dps is pitiful even when they are in range, and the main point of all non hydra units in that comp is tanking, not damage. |
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| Aquafresh United States. September 10 2010 02:49. Posts 824 | Profile # |
| Hmmm. First HuK then Silver, then Drewbie, now KiwiKaki... Is canada the new Europe as far as IdrA hate is concerned? |
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| Warlion Canada. September 10 2010 04:37. Posts 41 | Profile # |
just about to finish uploading all the games from this action packed series.
feel free to check it out everyone  .
and as always, if you dont like commentary, just mute me, im cool with that.
here is my channel link just incase:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WarlionProductions
p.s. @aquafresh - what can i tell you bro, us canadians just rule at protoss play! first huk, then kiwikaki... and now warlion (ya thats it)..... . . .
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 Scoop Finland. September 10 2010 04:39. Posts 482 | Profile # |
On September 09 2010 21:58 TheDna wrote:Mass Stalker > Roach Hydra with some speedlings it seems. What else can you say. I prefer ZvT where Z can actually win if he knows what terran is building 
Does that smily just say you're trolling? I'm not sure.
Anyway, mass stalker with +2 attack, +1 armor and better positioning, guardian shield on half of them, nice force fields and blink micro > +1 attack roach+hydra. If the latter wasn't true this game would be total garbage. |
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| RyanRushia United States. September 10 2010 04:43. Posts 2606 | Profile Blog # |
| canada is totally pulling strong in terms of top-class players |
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| Warlion Canada. September 10 2010 04:46. Posts 41 | Profile # |
On September 10 2010 04:43 RyanRushia wrote:
canada is totally pulling strong in terms of top-class players
It only makes sense as Canada = sexy country |
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| monx Canada. September 10 2010 05:26. Posts 1281 | Profile Blog # |
| It's only because SC2 and watching/playing hockey is the only things we can do in our spare time. |
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| iSTime September 10 2010 05:56. Posts 1574 | Profile # |
On September 10 2010 00:37 esKq wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 23:47 RyanRushia wrote:
how can u say it was brainless micro? on xel naga he was outfooded but blinked brillianty like eveyr weak stalker... if he hadnt have donet hat he woulda lost
On large scale fight it's not that hard, the concave was big though. It wasn't easy to do it flawlessly but it's not such a amazing move from him, Z couldn't compete with his hydras that the sad part :/
I'd love to see anyone at less than kiwikaki's level replicate the same micro. The mass blink stalker heavy army is a very popular style by players like NEXGenius and a few other koreans, and yet I've never seen a single one of them ever micro their blink stalkers half as well as kiwikaki does. |
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| TheDna Germany. September 10 2010 06:04. Posts 491 | Profile # |
On September 10 2010 04:39 Scoop wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 21:58 TheDna wrote:Mass Stalker > Roach Hydra with some speedlings it seems. What else can you say. I prefer ZvT where Z can actually win if he knows what terran is building
Does that smily just say you're trolling? I'm not sure. Anyway, mass stalker with +2 attack, +1 armor and better positioning, guardian shield on half of them, nice force fields and blink micro > +1 attack roach+hydra. If the latter wasn't true this game would be total garbage.
Nope. Its my honest opinion. Being zerg myself i m doing much better vs Terran.
I have literally no idea how Z wins vs P. I guess the only counter lategame vs an army with colossus and few immortals are ultras and broodlords and its really hard to ever reach that kind of tech.
I hate corrupters vs colossus because they are so useless when P does the tech switch.
However as we saw you can also mass stalekr and win vs zerg. I dont like the matchup at all and it looks like it will take ages for blizz to fix this.
Maybe the +5s Zealot build time will help a bit but i m really not sure if it will fix all issues. My guess is it doesn't.Last edit: 2010-09-10 06:20:32 |
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| I_Love_Bacon September 10 2010 06:13. Posts 4100 | Profile Blog # |
On September 10 2010 05:56 PJA wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 00:37 esKq wrote:
On September 09 2010 23:47 RyanRushia wrote:
how can u say it was brainless micro? on xel naga he was outfooded but blinked brillianty like eveyr weak stalker... if he hadnt have donet hat he woulda lost
On large scale fight it's not that hard, the concave was big though. It wasn't easy to do it flawlessly but it's not such a amazing move from him, Z couldn't compete with his hydras that the sad part :/
I'd love to see anyone at less than kiwikaki's level replicate the same micro. The mass blink stalker heavy army is a very popular style by players like NEXGenius and a few other koreans, and yet I've never seen a single one of them ever micro their blink stalkers half as well as kiwikaki does.
Believe it or not, but when that's your only task it's not difficult. If you're microing other units in battle specifically it can become difficult, but when you're pure stalkers the rest of it kinda' goes away. When you're 100% focused on doing nothing but controlling blink stalkers then it's actually pretty easy.
HP bars show, drag over quick on the area that is weak, press b and blink to back. repeat |
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| dRaW Canada. September 10 2010 07:21. Posts 3516 | Profile Blog # |
| I love how people can complain about imbalance, every1 always talks about how Terran in sc:bw was the hardest to play, but guess what? Terran dominate all titles ever held by a long shot, so I guess people will continually complain because they don't like to practice. The game is still new, and if you always complain about imbalance, you will never learn how to actually deal with it. You know zergs are still winning, so clearly they are capable... Notice in game 6 where kiwikaki tried mass stalker and got run over by worse positioning and up a ramp by hydra/roach? I think dimaga's miss step in macro lead to that final game loss (1k+ minerals early had detrimental build up to that point of attack) -i.e. he could have spent that sooner, making sooner economy, resulting in faster army of hydras to deflect that attack, and most likely end up winning the game. |
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| archon256 United States. September 10 2010 07:27. Posts 360 | Profile # |
Stalker Blink Micro is great and all, but I wish Zerg had some cute micro tricks they could use in this matchup as well. You always hear people raving about great Forcefields and Blinks, but when do you ever see someone talk about amazing Muta micro or Hydra usage? I suppose Burrowing Roaches counts a bit, but that's rather quickly negated once obs come out. At least ZvT has Infestors and Banelings...
That said, I enjoyed these showmatches very much. Much love to all involved.
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| Mellotron United States. September 10 2010 07:46. Posts 329 | Profile Blog # |
| Ive loved all these showmatches. Incontrol is pretty damn hilarious and is becoming one of my favorites. Keep these showmatches coming if you can because they are great. |
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| Awesomesauce Belgium. September 10 2010 08:11. Posts 69 | Profile # |
Dimaga really deserves a more polished/balanced race 
anyway, grats to kiwikaki |
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| iSTime September 10 2010 09:13. Posts 1574 | Profile # |
On September 10 2010 06:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 05:56 PJA wrote:
On September 10 2010 00:37 esKq wrote:
On September 09 2010 23:47 RyanRushia wrote:
how can u say it was brainless micro? on xel naga he was outfooded but blinked brillianty like eveyr weak stalker... if he hadnt have donet hat he woulda lost
On large scale fight it's not that hard, the concave was big though. It wasn't easy to do it flawlessly but it's not such a amazing move from him, Z couldn't compete with his hydras that the sad part :/
I'd love to see anyone at less than kiwikaki's level replicate the same micro. The mass blink stalker heavy army is a very popular style by players like NEXGenius and a few other koreans, and yet I've never seen a single one of them ever micro their blink stalkers half as well as kiwikaki does.
Believe it or not, but when that's your only task it's not difficult. If you're microing other units in battle specifically it can become difficult, but when you're pure stalkers the rest of it kinda' goes away. When you're 100% focused on doing nothing but controlling blink stalkers then it's actually pretty easy. HP bars show, drag over quick on the area that is weak, press b and blink to back. repeat
Next time you micro that well against a player as good as dimaga while macroing get back to me .Last edit: 2010-09-10 09:13:28 |
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| Quepp42 United States. September 10 2010 12:57. Posts 96 | Profile # |
| God I love watching Dimaga play. What other zerg's should I follow? The only other "top" zergs i've really seen replays for are sen and madfrog. Obviously I'd watch Idra if I could find any of his reps |
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| Ascorius Norway. September 10 2010 13:10. Posts 275 | Profile # |
On September 10 2010 12:57 Quepp42 wrote:God I love watching Dimaga play. What other zerg's should I follow? The only other "top" zergs i've really seen replays for are sen and madfrog. Obviously I'd watch Idra if I could find any of his reps
You mentioned Sen and IdrA, but Madfrog isnt really that good (Well, he is very good, but not compared to some of the other top guys). But you should really watch CheckPrime (Korean), and Cool (Also Korean and prolly the only zerg who can match IdrA). Cool goes is a former BW pro, but he goes under the nick fruitseller now I think. |
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| Tommylew Wales. September 10 2010 17:36. Posts 2703 | Profile Blog # |
| Some nice replays here to watch tonight!! PvZ is my worst matchup simply because I rarely get to play them on ladder!!! |
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| nam nam Sweden. September 10 2010 19:13. Posts 4541 | Profile # |
On September 10 2010 04:37 Warlion wrote:just about to finish uploading all the games from this action packed series. feel free to check it out everyone . and as always, if you dont like commentary, just mute me, im cool with that. here is my channel link just incase: http://www.youtube.com/user/WarlionProductionsp.s. @aquafresh - what can i tell you bro, us canadians just rule at protoss play! first huk, then kiwikaki... and now warlion (ya thats it)..... . . . User was temp banned for this post.
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| crappen Norway. September 10 2010 20:00. Posts 1068 | Profile # |
From GSL interview with Check:
Artosis: "What is your view on ZvT imbalance"
Check: "I think ZvP is more imbalanced then ZvT"
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