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On September 09 2010 21:18 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 15:01 fIamewheel91 wrote: Qatol we were supposed to hold that idea for the fucutre -__-
Edit: how the hell did I misspell future so bad? Oh well. Ah, but I've been holding onto that one for over a year now (I thought of it around when the first Red Army Mafia happened). I've given up hope it will ever happen. Why didn't you host it? It wouldn't of been hard. Although you might wanna...I dunno...rules for MH
1 bomb, must move it every night or something...otherwise scum might be super fucked.
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On October 04 2010 11:23 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 10:26 BrownBear wrote: Incognito the Mighty Townie is now dead. Qatol The Jailkeeper/Blue Operative is now dead. BrownBear The Mayor/Blue Operative is now dead. Artanis[xp] The Red Operative Leader is now dead. Flamewheel The Green Cutie is now dead :3
Haha one person in the game is already dead. Do what?
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On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:
We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can: -Randomly Pick -Pick an Inactive -Pick an Active
I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!
It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.
Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.
I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does). ...Wow....obviously.... -______-
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On October 04 2010 22:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 18:58 Protactinium wrote:
Oh, and Detectives, you are not sleuths in this game. You are suicide cops. There is no passing your knowledge on. If you strike gold, er, red, shout out. Don't keep it to yourself, since if you die you take your findings to the grave. Shout out the name of the Mafia, then the names of those you have cleared. If everything goes correctly and Mafia are out for revenge, you should die bloodied and lacerated at night. But at least you'll have done your job.
Detectives, beware the Godfather. It doesn't deny in the Original Post that he can assume the mantle of the Village Idiot, which would make him close to unkillable, disregarding the Vigilante. More thoughts on this later, but if you are a Private Eye and you find the Town Fool, be wary if/when you choose to spill your secret findings to the world.
Oh, and lastly, lynch an inactive. If they are town-aligned, they're not going to be contributing anyway. Might as well get them out of the game to save some trouble later on, since with a lack of Behavior Analysts reds shouldn't be expected to be caught day 1 anyway. . No. No. AND No. Detectives should not feel that they need to out themselves upon finding someone out. Their abilities are _REALLY_ powerful in this game and we need them to be cautious and analytical in their findings. There is a reason they can't act until NIGHT 2. The one major reason NO Detective should out themselves is because of the miller role. There's no way to sift through posts to gather a reading on a player that could be green/blue and come up red on a check. This is like a reverse sanity check for the Detective. What's going to happen when a DT outs themselves claiming they found a red and then we lynch a blue/green?! Guess who's on the chopping block the next day? That's 2 DAY cycles we miss hitting mafia because of useless knowledge. Their abilities should be used to gather a town circle. Trust the players you check, and take risks in others you think are secure. Do not fear the Godfather. The chances of checking him are very slim. Regardless, his role only buys the mafia a day and he is in the same bucket as the millers. They will need extra attention. DT's once again: Trust your checks. We can go back and find out who's siphoning information out of your circles later. They can be caught, but it's up to you to play smart. If you think you checked someone and the check doesn't match up, then try to get the town to discuss it WITHOUT outing yourself. You're going to just accuse another player anyway, and we (the town) will try to protect you. Lynching an inactive is almost a guarantee at lynching a pro-town role. If they don't want to participate and play like crap, then fine. But they need to vote pro-town at the very least. Don't lynch someone who can make the difference... Most townies play with this stupid passive role as though they should just be quiet. NO. If you are a townie start speaking up! Your job is to look through posting etiquette and weed out "bad" posts. Be careful of traps, like this gem: Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:
We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can: -Randomly Pick -Pick an Inactive -Pick an Active
I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!
It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.
Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.
I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does). ...Wow....obviously.... -______- Derp typical OpZ day1 post. Don't expect much more from him until Day 2, just a guess. Hey hey hey, don't get all resentful on me. Lol. Come on. Those three ways are always deci---wait....lot of new people this game. My bad. I'll be more helpful then Oh. Hmm...Maybe I should add to the discussion more so next time. Personally....
Too all new players. Do not attach any kind of feelings to anyone trying to give you "good" direction. Distrust them. Even if they sound completely beneficial. Do not trust them. Do not trust me. Do not trust this post..
Ok, gonna look through some stuff. Gf might try and stop me, and gotta go smoke a cig with Champ.
On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option.
Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos Our goal is to mafia kill. We kill suspicious people. It's what we do. It's our....Thaaaaaang. Mafia better be better at sniping then town, that's all I gotta say on that.
On October 04 2010 22:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:Pandains post: + Show Spoiler +On October 04 2010 17:52 Pandain wrote: Alright I have high hopes for this game, lots of interesting roles(even for mafia). I'd like to offer my thoughts on some of them and what I think they would want to do, just common advice i suppose.
Medic: Protect people who you think are going to get hit(duh.You would be pretty dumb if you didn't.) This can include active pro town-seeming people, people you think are blue, people you think are going to be hit, or just decide your own path and be a rebel. DT: Protect who you have a suspicion of, including but not limited to 1.People acting out of character 2.Lurking people Veteran or Bulletproof: Try to soak up hits, but don't be too obvious. Under NO even remotely normal circumstances should any of these claim, as then the mafia will just stray away from shooting them. The only time they should claim is if they got hit
Then we got the two town KP roles, both very interesting in this game. Let's go over them.
Mad Hatter This role is very dangerous. In the hands of a good player, it can win the game, in the hands of a bad(or just bad luck) it can lose the game. For example, in Bill Murray's game Citizen,zeks, and sinquity managed to stall mafia by revealing they had a mad hatter, and had bombs on mafia. However, just as it seemed we were about to win Xelin the suicide bomber came in and killed 5 people, and zeks had a bomb on infun meaning another one died. MH has to be very careful with your bombs, but always place one(as we can get more info/chance) and the fact you can always move it. Vigilante The most interesting role for me. Now it says he CAN use it starting night two, but should we have him? I say starting night two we make a vote/tally of who to kill as an "additional lynch." And if we're really not sure, we don't even have to use him. In fact, he might just ignore us or not even exist. However, I'm hoping the town consensus will convince him unless he has a REALLY good read on someone. But more importantly, he will help us solve the Village Idiot Conundrum. That is, how do we know if a sucipious/scum looking person will not have been the VI the whole time! If we're stuck on that problem , we can use the vigilante to safely remove him. More devilishly, we can not lynch him and say we're going to lynch him next night, so if he's not mafia they will have to make a choice whether to risk having the VI lynched. Then we can even waste a kp, in addition to the possible fact he may have lived because he actually IS mafia.
But that's just getting into theory now, let's go back to what we can do now. Basically, we're at the part where Amber}Light says we are, where we can do one of three things. 1. Lynch an inactive 2.Randomly pick someone (PS KingJames you go to a random number generator on a website or w/e) 3.Lynch a suspicious person In two options(#1 and 3), the village idiot plays a large role in our decision. How do we know a sucipsious/inactive person isn't simply playing that role so then they will get lynched? The thing is, we don't. We'll have to use our best logic. I am against #2 on the basis of pure statistics. Assuming we have all blue roles, there is a greater chance of lynching a blue than a mafia. I like lynching inactives for a number of reasons 1.Usually are never blues(almost always townies) 2.Forces people to get talking 3.Provides us with more info(via the result of #2) Now let me say this: I might not lynch an inactive person. But if I don't push it, I will push you getting vigi'd. I want at least 2 good posts from everyone by the end of the day. As of right now I would hope to see your opinion on what to do today at the very least. Also I'm going to agree with Pandain for the time being. We need to understand how people play. Everyone should post or at least make an attempt to post. Try to use your strengths to figuring out mafia players. It's hard with a blank canvas, so think of a creative way to get the mafia to jump out. I'm in favor of use a random number generator to out someone. The person should then make a convincing claim so we can at least have something to work from. I was going to suggest a PM tactic for the Day 1 lynch, but this is a NO PM GAME. So this could get tricky :/ p.s. Typical Amber blunder?
On October 05 2010 00:10 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option.
Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos chaos is the mafia way. It's far better to try and get something out of people by pressuring them and forcing them to talk than just going 'oh well we RNG'd a hit now no one needs to talk for the rest of the day' Not to mention who's doing said "RNG"-ing. Amirite?
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On October 05 2010 06:16 Happy.fairytail wrote: I actually don't think there's a difference whether we pick by random or inactive because:
a) Inactive doesn't necessarily mean non-blue. I've seen plenty of games where the DT was very quiet and seemingly inactive. He evaded all mafia suspicion and survived to the mid game and revealed himself. With himself and 3 innocent townsperson, he was able to establish a lasting majority against the mafia and win.
b) We have an equal chance of picking a village idiot whether we go random or inactive. It's not like we have special insight into the idiot's tactics that would give us an edge in determining one method or the other.
I think the two most important things are:
a) Communication. The upside far outweighs the downside, and I think we all agree here, no need to explain further.
b) We lynch someone every round. I'm going to prove this for another post statistically... That DT blew chunks, and so did that mafia. Fuck that three innocent townspersons were dumb too. Anyway, no. DT if you find a red bloke, I want you to build an argument for why he is mafia. Tell us what he is/is not doing that is/is not helping to town. I want you to lay into him. Be relentless. Don't pull no fucking punches. If his mama's a tramp, I want you to let us know. Shiaaaaaaat.
So ignore this kid's advice. It's weak sauce. -___- Quiet people often get sniped by mafia toooooo. (Unless Radfield/Ace/L are playing)
Eh...Kinda got the Village idiot post. It was pretty smart thinking with Village Idiot/Mafia win....So we do gotta be careful, cuz if village idiot is down to last 3 "Hai I'm VI, lynch me!!" Mafia just have to wait for him to vote for himself. Lol.
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On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote: I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow. Yea, uh huh. I believe it, but come on BM!
On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. Show nested quote +I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies. K, I'll be voting you in a second Crisis_....
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On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote: Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective?
And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day... Discouraging hunting? And not bothering to come up with a fair RNG? Pick four to eight people have them RNG a number each 1 - 25, Average the number, Round up/down any decimal? Found a way that's fair and almost arguably the most objective.
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I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder?
What if mafia slay you at night?
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On October 05 2010 20:38 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 14:05 Crisis_ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote: I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow. Yea, uh huh. I believe it, but come on BM! On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies. K, I'll be voting you in a second Crisis_.... How nice of you to vote for me. Glad to know that your vote will be a waste, since: 1. I am participating in active discussion to try to help town and give advice to the DT, I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum. 2. There are better candidates to be lynched, i.e. inactives. I would highly suggest being careful about how you analyze for the rest of the game. You're in for a full-on assault from Opz now. Shitlisted!!! So half the town just isn't aware of the game going on right now? We need the other 12+ players to contribute... Shh, He's new and sarcasm isn't funny when it's at my expense.
=( Who are these better candidates Crisis? What have you added to the discussion? Advice to the DT? DT's probably away from the game.
And Cynan...Wherefore art thou? I quoted your only post besides your /in post....Come come now....Speaketh to the DT.
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On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote:Alright, It's panda time.
The Magical Bamboo: A panda's narrative in eastern China.The first thing Panda noticed was that people were changing the fabric of time and altering events which are very important for The Wise Panda Sage in order to analyze. The Wise Panda Sage detailed to his panda disciples in one very concise statement: "PANDAPANDAPANDAPANDA NO EDITING PANDAPANDAPANDAPANDA"Brown"Panda"Bear followed these teachings and told all of his fellow Starcraft 2 players that editing was not allowed. Said the BrownBear: Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 13:30 BrownBear wrote:
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned.Please do not edit; this is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
This Panda had learned in PandaHistory Class. But now, as he sat in the majesty that is The Ultimate Council, he saw another Panda, CynanMachae, being accused of working with the dreadful PandaPoachers. But Panda was hesitant, so he went to The Wise Panda Sage, who looked through time to see CynanMachae's previous history, and found them to be consistant with his current play. The Wise Panda Sage gave to Panda his analysis. 1.Cynan Machae's previous play is characterized as 3-4 sentence long posts every now and then, with a long post happening once or twice a game. While Panda noted this does not mean he's innocent, and indeed Panda was watching him closely, it does mean we should take this into context. Then Panda stopped speaking in Panda Tongue because its hard to write good analysis of people and/or subjects with analogies to concepts. So Panda beheaded the writer and lived happily ever after. End StoryAlright, so a couple of things one thing in particular that's been brought up which I shall now address. 1.While originally I was in support of DT claiming if he found red, I now believe we should not. With 5 mafia, DT's will be a very useful addition to regular scum hunting. In addition, if he does not claim but merely post up an analysis of that person and convince everyone he's mafia, then mafia don't even know that he is definitely DT. If said DT does get a mafia lynched, medics can/perhaps should protect him just in case. If you know someone's mafia while you haven't managed to convince people without saying "I'm DT and I checked him", then you should, as it will still mean we will be only one mafia away from lowering mafia (regular) kp to 1. So that's my input there. Who to Lynch Today:Alright, so not everyone has posted, meaning some are definitely going to get modkilled. That is not good. Here's the list of inactives in my eyes + Show Spoiler +1. JeeJee 2. bumatlarge 3. Bill Murray-excuse, but is it unexecused????!!! Dundundun!
10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.kane]deth[ 15.infinitestory 16.cSc. Still needs to post content. 20.drag_- seems confused =D. Its alright, at first I thought mafia was a UMS BW custom map. XD(I mean, I just kept hearing people say “Infested Terran and DT) 7 people have not posted(the bolded ones.) I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me. While I believe at least 3 of those inactives will eventually post, I am hesitant to lynch someone who will be modkilled. However, I can find no sufficient evidence as of now to suggest one of the active is mafia. So as of now we have a few possible people, so I will RNG between the inactives, and it is: Xelin.
Sorry guys, ended up being at work from 8 am til 8:15 last night. Get off at 12 I think today, so I should have time to fly through this, but I'm fine voting Xelin if he keeps not posting in games. I'm really getting annoyed by it. He's playing like me now -____-
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On October 06 2010 09:18 Misder wrote: I would vote Infund, but I've played with him mafia last game, and he does a lot more accusing and spam in that game. He's not acting like he was when he was mafia before; he may have changed his playstyle, but that's pretty unlikely.
Also, I would like to say that a lot of mafia members like to post a lot in the beginning, seemingly to help out, but they hide later in the day. (someone like ~Opz~, for example, I've got suspicions on him; I don't know if they are good feelings or bad feelings). Not hiding. Had a 500 piece truck (493), that I had to run yesterday. Not counting my milk. And they thought I'd get that done in 7 hours? pshhh.
500/7 71 cases an hour? They can go fuck themselves.
I promise some better posting when I get back today, but you'll be a topic of it. =D
On October 06 2010 05:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not really convinced that Cynanmachae might be mafia but since he has a tenuous connection to Pandain, at least we'd get some information from his lynching.
I'm actually a bit torn between voting for Cynanmachae or one of the completely inactive players such as JeeJee. I think I'm gonna wait on this a bit. We need to be careful not to jump into big accusations this early, nothing good ever comes of it. We lynch mafia. Forget his connection with Pandain. Detective can check them for all I care.
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On October 06 2010 09:22 Misder wrote: Actually, I’m just going to vote ~Opz~ right now instead of XeliN, just because of this tiny suspicion. I don’t know if I truly believe in that he is mafia, but I think he has a better chance at being mafia than XeliN. Hmmm...
Post your reason for your suspicion a little better. Why is my behaviour suspicious? Because I'm usually afk Day one? I'm also usually not in games with a bunch of first time players. I know the activity habits of people during their first games is usually dismal, so I'm trying to be a little....how you say....encouraging to the new players to post?
Yes yes, Amber gets me, (even though we seem to be on two different sides of a coin this game taking shots at each other and shit lol)
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On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote:first off: @NukeTheBunnys, do you even read the thread? Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote:On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder?
What if mafia slay you at night?
=/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch? Buddying. At least to me it is. Admittedly, Mafia buddy town all the time, but if Misder flips scum so will ~OpZ~. Therefore, I am considering voting Misder. To all the people hunting for the DT, posting about "strategy" in relation to lynches, and cluttering up the thread with speculation and policy: most of you will be the M words of mafia. I'm talking to you, Amber, Protactinium, Misder, Happy.Fairytaile, ~OpZ~, SouthRawrea, and Crisis_ Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 07:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 06 2010 07:49 ghrur wrote: Speaking of lynching, I strongly suggest against group voting, or in other words Don't agree to bandwagon onto a random vote Don't agree to use individual RNGs and votes If we bandwagon onto a random vote, how can we know if the person voting is or isn't mafia? If we use a RNG, how can we be sure Mafia isn't rigging the votes and using the RNG as an out?
Also, once again, I'm against voting an inactive so early on because A. They could get modkilled. Do we want to waste a lynch? B. Does it put pressure on them if they can't see the votes due to a busy schedule? C. Inactives could be very helpful later on. D. Mafia hardly ever hides in inactives.
Personally, I'll probably read through the voting thread later and see who votes what and let that influence my choice because I'm still new. xD Learning how a veteran votes could be helpful! This is a good point. I'm using JeeJee as a placeholder for now but we need to look for someone who has posted in the thread but said almost nothing and has avoided participating in real discussion. Usually inexperienced mafia players are afraid to get involved in discussion because they fear they will incriminate themselves so they just mindlessly agree with other players or say things that have already been said a million times. After re-reading the thread the two best fits for that profile seem to be NukeTheBunnys and Crisis_ I'm keeping JeeJee as a placeholder for now. I'd like to see a stronger case from Pandain for the lynching of Infund, most likely I will switch my vote to crisis or nukethebunnys. Furthermore, I like this post. It shows that DoctorH and I are on the same page. I am not sure as to his role, but I am pretty sure he is Town. Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 09:25 Protactinium wrote:On October 06 2010 09:19 Bill Murray wrote:On October 06 2010 05:40 meeple wrote:On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote: I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me.
Whoa whoa... weird defense of cynan... the votes against him were just to bump him back into posting... which he did, so those should eventually fade away to other, more suitable targets. However, he's definitely not in enough danger for another townie to worry about him getting the chop. This makes a lot more sense if you're an anxious red protecting your buddy... I did pick up on that, but Pandain could just as easily be a Detective trying to defend someone, or a townie with a loud mouth. Why would a Detective defend on Day 1, especially since they can't start investigating till Night 2? Townie with loud mouth. Thoughts in a bit, busy now. Detectives typically defend people they find to be town. Combine that with his beating himself up over changing his vote to OpZ, your fishing for why I feel he's DT (when you know my actions are money as fuck), your DT fishing on your own earlier in the thread, and I present to you Bill Murray's first mafia catch of the game: Protactinium. Points: 1) as seen from the TL Mafia game I hosted, he is fitting in with his mafia meta. He makes huge "pro-town" posts as mafia. As town he is way more argumentative. I can provide the difference, but I would have to indicate who he is. 2) he is a fucking smurf who has another name on this site 3) He was fishing for the DT and "discussing" who the DT was, how to find him, and what he should do 4) He was curious as to how I knew Pandain was the DT when he knows I am a good player vote to lynch protactinium
and one more thing before I go, I'm sorry for the multi posts, but I'm upset I missed ALL DAY yesterday....
BM WHAT HAVE YOU DOOOOOOOOONE
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Waiting on night post and hoping for my death. Fucking protact lynch....-_______-
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On October 06 2010 06:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 06:26 drag_ wrote:On October 06 2010 06:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 06 2010 05:42 drag_ wrote: It's a hard choice for me, because there's so many layers meaning (if unclear read the Old Man and the Sea) behind every post. However, you, Mr. Kingjames seem to be trying a little too hard in my eyes to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere. I'm a little more skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation. No, that's totally valid. However, I'm trying to play the game as best as I can with the little bit of information that has been revealed. Until I have more information, I think I will go with what I've got. Even if I'm wrong with what I'm saying, it invites a response so that we can learn more about what players are thinking, just like how it incited you to respond. What I DO find interesting, however, is that you have only posted once previous to this message. Then, with this post you claim that you apparently don't like it when people try a "little too hard ... to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere [and are] skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation." You came out of hiding just to point fingers and divert attention. Are you taking this game seriously enough to find a good reason to survive and win? If you are, then seriously consider what I have to say. If you can find a glaring logical error then say so. Don't insinuate with your slimy words just before the first vote and then disappear. This just furthers my point about you. You act as if my post was all part of your multiple phase plan, before completely changing the subject to you accusing me of lying in wait and singling you out with my 'slimy words'. Once again another clear shift of blame from yourself towards me and another accusative post. This is a strong point. I don't really understand why you're being so aggressive kingjames especially this early in the game when we don't really have anything solid pointing to anyone being red or not. Our big goal with this day 1 lynch is to gain information on player connections while avoiding lynching a blue. It's easy to overanalyze and assure yourself someone is mafia based on their posting this early but 99 times out of 100 it ends up NOT being the case.
This is a strong point that Drag_ Is most likely town too....I fear you DrH.
Drag_ going at him hard, maybe he's new and mafia, but still...too much attention?
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On October 06 2010 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure.
on top of that you edited your post.
i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot. Maybe I agree here. Seems like an okay lynch candidate. I would be willing to get behind this for his sudden appearance. But BB may have pm'd him, so I'll have to check the timings.
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On October 07 2010 12:54 infinitestory wrote: Here's hoping blues (DT(s) especially) sent in their night actions, so we can get something more concrete to work with soon. Haha prepare to die.
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Fuck man have I even seen your name this game?
On October 06 2010 12:01 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure.
on top of that you edited your post.
i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot. *sigh* I do crack under pressure easily... ....Suck up?
On October 06 2010 12:09 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote:On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote: To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them? I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds. @Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested. the town does not win if the VI is lynched so why does that matter? town threatening to lynch VI is empty and mafia would just ignore it completely. that wouldn't even work since in order to threaten to lynch the VI they have to know who the VI is meaning the mafia will likely know as well and can just hit him at night Alright. I give up on my argument. I relent. I crack under pressure. Does that please you? What I intended was simply to get people thinking hard about how to get rid of VI, as he is a problem that must be solved through the cooperation of multiple roles. I guess you have an excellent reason for showing me up here, though. Shall we discuss something else now? Do you want out of the limelight good sir?
On October 06 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote:On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote: On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway? He's worried that if Protact is mafia, the mafia will pull some shenanigans and change the leader away from him before lynch. You know what he is thinking too...Seriously, this post wasn't about to be dedicated to you, I was just getting a vote list and reading thread.
On October 06 2010 12:37 Crisis_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 12:17 Protactinium wrote:On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I think lynching the VI as a threat to the mafia, but its only really worth it if the mafia are really close to winning. Even then its a risk, but if the town is going to lose anyway, might as well go out with style.
On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Seriously? You're going to vote for me just because it "doesn't let the Mafia influence the vote"? And if you're Mafia, then voting for me is an influence, no? This is bad reasoning, and you know it. Crisis_, you too? What's your reason now... I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Not much else I can do. Sorry. How were you stuck? I'm still reading thread maybe you answer it in there. If that's the case, ignore this. If I remember to delete it you'll never know.
On October 06 2010 13:00 SiNiquity wrote: I getcha, heh.
Also, Prot's headed to the gallows (bum just chimed in). Sorry buddy ~ could've thwarted this whole mess if you'd have fessed up. Bum was terrible as the village idiot watch guy.... Seriously. lmao.
On October 06 2010 14:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok Medics, here is how the game should be played tonight.
Make a list of people you think are innocent. Now, it has to be a list of a few people. ANALYZE them every day to make sure they don't change from town to scummy in your eyes, and prot them, non stop or until we have a better idea. If anyone who pushed for flamewheels lynch is on your list, slap yourself really hard and remake your list.
As for the rest of the town. Take the time now to either look at the name above or below you in the list, and look over their posts and analyze them. Post that analysis in thread for debate. Lets get us some targets. Hell after this day there is a ton of crap to look through. ...See....Fuck...Listen to this man. Anyone pushing to kill flamewheel being protected, which is why I'm making sure to make that vote list. Sorry I been away guys.
On October 07 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'd most like to here from Misder right now. He came out saying he has a list of suspects and that he thinks OpZ is mafia but never backed it up for the rest of the day which seems odd.
This.
Misder, please answer.
On October 07 2010 10:02 Pandain wrote:Proctat=amazing. He dupes me(and everyone, but mostly me and subversion) in Bill Murray's game, than he dupes the people here and gets himself lynched. I still think that was a horrible lynch idea, and we should start looking at the people who started to vote for proctat. Note that the votes for him came out of like nowhere, and for less than optimal reasons too: "Didn't reveal who he was" (Sinquity) "Bill Murray voted for him and I wanted to fit in"(Infinite Story) "This way mafia can't manipulate the vote away to a different person"(Nuke da bunnies) "Panic voted, looked back, but i would've voted for a different person! Plus, I think he's VI now(says this after Protact heavily hints at it)" (Bumatlarge) "Bill Murray" Alright reason "Tried to get dt to reveal, bill murray seems sure(albeit that reason is less than sound as he couldn't really be), smurfs are uncool and unhelpful" (Ghrur) "Stuck between a rock and a hard place"(I'm assuming this means because he was tied for second place?) (Crisis)Overall, horrible reasons. Almost all of these people are newcomers as well, meaning theres a chance this might've just been a fail on the town part. I'll be looking through these people in addition to some others. I actually assume only 1-2(doubt 2) mafia would be on this list, but theres a good chance there might be none. But of course that's all speculation, just some thoughts I'm having. DT should probably check Xelin. Even though it might be nothing, Brownbear's accidental tell might actually be suggesting something. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 09:18 LSB wrote:Divinek is being pretty active Pandian is writing weird stories again. That probably means he's Red or Blue Bum says he's going on VI watch, that would be something Mafia would like to get recognized as On October 06 2010 08:21 Bill Murray wrote: At a glance, I see that people have been editing. I am not a fan of that. I see DoctorH is being active. That may or may not be a good thing. I am going to go read the thread and get off the inactive list. I'll make an informed post in a moment... possibly an hour. Could someone tell me a bit more? Then again, DoctorH hasn't played for a while, so maybe his reentry means that he's willing to put in more effort As for the Newcomers, I haven't read much, but it should be pretty easy to tell if one of them is Green. Are any of them superactive? Lastly, Someone go Protect/Investigate Xelin. Brownbear just told us straight out that he's Red or Blue And what does this post do? You repeat stuff, don't give opinion, and speculation. Nothing full of content. And fyi, I always write stories. See: my first game!I'll start the analysis by the end of the next day cycle. Expect to do some serious scum hunting. Right now I have a few suspects, but no real analysis as of now. But if I die I want you guys to look at some people in particular: 1.Infinite Story 2.Bumatlarge Also possibly a infun+dr. H connection. Just speculation n.n So, in conclusion: 1. Medics should protect who you think is going to get hit, people you think are blues, and people you think are innocent. In this case, even Xelin might be a good protection. 2.DT's should check some of the intresting people in this case. I would suggest checking either Dr. H or Xelin, or someone you think you have a real good read on. I have a sneaking suscipcion of Dr. H which as of now unverified but I shall delve into tommorow. 3.Protact once again proves that kitties want the downfall of mankind
........................................... What is this....I can't even begin to understand this. ...Okay....I see...So you're feeling me.
I'm feeling Dr. H...a lil.....Ya feel me? Anyway....Point of the matter is...I have no idea, maybe it was the italics but your post just hurt to read.
I agree, as you can see in my current post, I'm agreeing with you. I would also like to hear some from Crisi_ again....where's he been at?
Oh...and rock and a hard place? -______________-
On October 07 2010 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Luckily for us the mafia didn't hit any blues.
I looked at the day one votes and there were no votes for Infund. cSc voted for bumatlarge. Bumatlarge voted for protactinum. Infundibulum voted for Gruhr.
I don't think there is much we can learn from the day 1 votes but it's best to keep it in mind, it's something. I'll go back over pages 15 onward. There was a lot of argumentation surrounding infundibulum so that needs to be looked at again. I think final vote lists should be posted in thread @_@
Anyway...Votes an protact would of been nice to post.
Oh wow...fml, BB doesn't tally. Fuckkkkkk I actually gotta count.
BM protact Ghrur - Dunno yet....Gonna have to reread thread. Infest - ....Wtf bro.October 06 2010 10:49. (Mafia attempt at forming a bandwagon quickly, trying to snipe a good player?) SiNiquity -again need to reread reasoning. I think he posted more than what he said in Pandains quote....But maybe I'm just remembering something different because there really wasn't much reasoning given for flame's deathhhh. Dr. H is going against him so clearly I need to better look at him. NukeTheBunnys - ....waaaat. Crisis_ - Already said some thangs. bumatlarge - ...you are insane sir.
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Also I think Bill is trying to get himself killed also -_-
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On October 07 2010 13:58 Bill Murray wrote: lets have an open roleclaim. BC, you first. I'm town, but I'm not saying what at this point people can say "no, we shouldn't roleclaim, it is way too early". I just want people to claim town/townie, not what role they are.
If I was mafia, I wouldn't have the balls to say this. This is too obvious to be the play of mafia. Lynch BC if I get mislynched. If he flips red, look at ~OpZ~ and DoctorH. If you all want to win, listen to me.
Claim. I'm claiming town. We need to consolidate through claims. Trust me on this one, and we will have a good game. Bill are you trying to get lynched?
Why do we have a new village idiot running around.
-_____- Honestly I think you're green and just don't feel like playing. I with I was on mafia team with BC and DrH. But sadly...I'm not. And HappyFairytale woulda been on my team.
BC is likely mafia. I believe that. You're post on him was very nice. But I probably would of been hella suspicious of BC whenever he started posting more. He was posting content to newer players that needs to be said to them. Just because we all know how to play medic roles doesn't mean all these new guys do.
On October 07 2010 13:40 infinitestory wrote:cSc's only got two posts in the thread since the game began, and judging from his activity and the content of his posts, I don't expect him to explain his vote for bumatlarge insightfully, if at all. His two posts: Show nested quote +Given my schedule I'll be posting from about now till... well hopefully until the day ends. Seeing as how I'm new I guess this lynch the inactive's makes sense, and to avoid being one of the first ones to go, Here I am! Show nested quote +If you don't have enough information to make an educated vote, is it better to go with the majority, or vote randomly? Okay, maybe I'll be nicer...
And BB, my bad. I was high.
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