| slyboogie United States. June 01 2012 11:24. Posts 2933 | Profile Blog # |
I drafted a BG deck. It was...not a deck. But I got to the finals and lost against a UB deck, rofl. He had all my Death Winds and Bone Splinters and Undead Executioners and Barter in Bloods =(
My best win? A tie between swinging in with 3 Soulcage Fiends and dropping a Bloodflow Connoisseur vs. my Demonic Taskmaster with a Predators Gambit just beating ass. When Black goes, it goes all the way. |
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| Judicator United States. June 01 2012 11:32. Posts 5838 | Profile Blog # |
On June 01 2012 11:21 ParanoiaDHerO wrote:
Can you give me a priority for bloodflow conn/driver of the dead/crypt creeper? Is it based on if I have others or should I be taking one exclusively over the others unless I have 4 of them?
Bloodflow gets really good if you have Artist out and have the Undying creatures. I still wouldn't play more than 2 though. I think the undying creatures in black are the ones you really need beyond what others have mentioned. Two for ones are absolutely brutal in this format.
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Game 3 of the finals last week saw me getting the shit curved out of me from a RW deck, turn 1 Duelist (ok that's not too bad), turn 2 Kruin Striker (still alright), turn 3 Paladin (dafuq is this shit), turn 4 Angel of Jubilation (gg).Last edit: 2012-06-01 11:34:11 |
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| bumatlarge United States. June 01 2012 11:32. Posts 3844 | Profile Blog # |
| Er, it depends what you are missing in your curve and what monet cards you have. If you have blood artist(s), driver is a nice reanimator for it, bloodflow makes homicidal and crypt keeper is pretty much a good card that can die whenever you need it to (good with homicidal). Then I'd look at how many 2cmc 3cmc and 4cmc drops you have. I guess it's driver>conniseur>keeper personally. Driver can be some pretty sick value. |
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| slyboogie United States. June 01 2012 11:40. Posts 2933 | Profile Blog # |
| If you can't land Butcher Ghoul's you need to pick up some Crypt Keepers. Two-Drop is at a premium of this format. That being said, Driver has been merely okay, in my experience. I do like Trader but he takes too long to get going. |
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| DEN1ED United States. June 01 2012 12:00. Posts 776 | Profile # |
| The only real playable imo is Bloodflow Connoisseur. The other guys are more filler. The driver is ok if you have a lot of the 1/1 undying guy but apart from him there arn't really any good black guys 2 or less. |
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| ParanoiaDHerO United States. June 01 2012 12:01. Posts 171 | Profile # |
| Thanks for all the replies. Can anyone suggest a free program to practice magic with? |
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| DEN1ED United States. June 01 2012 12:01. Posts 776 | Profile # |
On June 01 2012 12:01 ParanoiaDHerO wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. Can anyone suggest a free program to practice magic with?
MWS is pretty much it. |
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| DCLXVI United States. June 01 2012 12:44. Posts 682 | Profile Blog # |
On June 01 2012 12:01 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 12:01 ParanoiaDHerO wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. Can anyone suggest a free program to practice magic with?
MWS is pretty much it.
I prefer cockatrice |
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| bumatlarge United States. June 01 2012 12:59. Posts 3844 | Profile Blog # |
| Oh some m13 spoilers, they are not reprinting phantasmal image, if we are to assume clone is replacing it, and they are reprinting vampire nocturnus :D maybe vamps will be playable, or at least mono black aggro. |
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| DEN1ED United States. June 01 2012 13:07. Posts 776 | Profile # |
| Really dumb that they aren't reprinting phantasmal image. It's only REALLY dumb with sun titan and it was one of the few ways to kill stupid hexproof legends. Yes clone does too but its unplayable at 4cmc. Last edit: 2012-06-01 13:12:06 |
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| Judicator United States. June 01 2012 13:13. Posts 5838 | Profile Blog # |
On June 01 2012 12:59 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh some m13 spoilers, they are not reprinting phantasmal image, if we are to assume clone is replacing it, and they are reprinting vampire nocturnus :D maybe vamps will be playable, or at least mono black aggro.
Monoblack aggro....is suicide black, of which there are no cards suitable for it.
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Seriously, the mechanic they decide to reprint is Exalted? But hey Nicol Bolas is back, right in time to get his face smashed by fucking shitty mana bases (until RtR HOPEFULLY) and the billion aggro/midrange decks. Next Wizards will give us a 6 mana Wrath and say everything is balanced.Last edit: 2012-06-01 13:20:38 |
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| slyboogie United States. June 01 2012 13:25. Posts 2933 | Profile Blog # |
Noble Hierarch ^_____^
EDIT: lol just saw the spoiler and they had this baby:
1R
Instant
Deal 3 damage to target creature or player.
Ha~
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| TestSubject893 United States. June 01 2012 13:53. Posts 766 | Profile # |
Why is Homicidal Seclusion so good (in limited)? Seems to me like by the time you get it out you ought to have more than one creature out for sure.
Also, I'm drafting tomorrow for the first time in a few years, so any more general tips on this set are greatly appreciated! I've been reading the discussion about it and everyone's tips have been helpful so far. Thanks guys. |
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| Judicator United States. June 01 2012 13:58. Posts 5838 | Profile Blog # |
Dear Wizards, stop printing tempo decks, they have never ever been good for the standard environment.
I just played a few matches (like 10) with Delver, and the deck isn't fair or even fun. Oh you have 5 creatures out to my 1? STILL LOSING THE RACE. Oh you have 5 cards to my 2? LOSING THE RACE EVEN FASTER. Oh you have your nut draw? MANA LEAK-SNAPCASTER-MANA LEAK. This is on top of not flipping Delver consistently (or only about twice total) and misplaying a few games where I am still in a control player's mindset (the only modes I have ever known is attacking for lethal or not attacking and ticking up Karn to 20 million).
The last one is obviously a joke, but seriously fuck Delver and it's interactions (or the lack thereof). There were multiple times where I knew what the opponent HAD to have at a particular game point and it didn't fucking matter because I was holding a Mana Leak. There were multiple times where I knew they can't interact with my threats so they were just drawing dead. There were multiple times I spent mana on my opponent's turn to 2 for them a turn a later because they had to cast shit on their turn.
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Seclusion is good because as you might noticed, Black's better creatures are pretty damn big and their drawbacks are mitigated provided they are the only ones out. The Lifelink means you are coming out ahead on any 1 for 1 trades. The +3/+1 means you are swinging for a ton (with Lifelink). Let's just say you have a 2/1 Flyer out with Seclusion out also, this means that you are now hitting for 5 lifelink in the air which translates to a 4 turn clock which isn't easy to handle even if they can block. Trading 1 card for 1 card with you gaining 5 is good for the Seclusion player because then you lay another average card like the 5/3, now its a 8/4 that they have to deal with and etc. The deck isn't broken since cards like Cloudshift and Peel can be used to great success in tempo-ing it out but that only really works if the opponent has the board advantage already, which again, isn't always the case.Last edit: 2012-06-01 14:04:59 |
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| hkf Australia. June 01 2012 14:01. Posts 322 | Profile Blog # |
On June 01 2012 13:58 Judicator wrote:
Dear Wizards, stop printing tempo decks, they have never ever been good for the standard environment.
I just played a few matches (like 10) with Delver, and the deck isn't fair or even fun. Oh you have 5 creatures out to my 1? STILL LOSING THE RACE. Oh you have 5 cards to my 2? LOSING THE RACE EVEN FASTER. Oh you have your nut draw? MANA LEAK-SNAPCASTER-MANA LEAK. This is on top of not flipping Delver consistently (or only about twice total) and misplaying a few games where I am still in a control player's mindset (the only modes I have ever known is attacking for lethal or not attacking and ticking up Karn to 20 million).
The last one is obviously a joke, but seriously fuck Delver and it's interactions (or the lack thereof). There were multiple times where I knew what the opponent HAD to have at a particular game point and it didn't fucking matter because I was holding a Mana Leak. There were multiple times where I knew they can't interact with my threats so they were just drawing dead. There were multiple times I spent mana on my opponent's turn to 2 for them a turn a later because they had to cast shit on their turn.
Never played in odyssey standard I take it
2 years of mongrel go |
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| DEN1ED United States. June 01 2012 14:11. Posts 776 | Profile # |
| Aggro control decks are always the best. Seclusion is amazing because it makes they deal with every creature you play immediately. You can't race it so you have to have an answer to everything. And generally in black decks you have sac outlets and such to easily keep 1 creature in play. |
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| Judicator United States. June 01 2012 14:12. Posts 5838 | Profile Blog # |
On June 01 2012 14:01 hkf wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 13:58 Judicator wrote:
Dear Wizards, stop printing tempo decks, they have never ever been good for the standard environment.
I just played a few matches (like 10) with Delver, and the deck isn't fair or even fun. Oh you have 5 creatures out to my 1? STILL LOSING THE RACE. Oh you have 5 cards to my 2? LOSING THE RACE EVEN FASTER. Oh you have your nut draw? MANA LEAK-SNAPCASTER-MANA LEAK. This is on top of not flipping Delver consistently (or only about twice total) and misplaying a few games where I am still in a control player's mindset (the only modes I have ever known is attacking for lethal or not attacking and ticking up Karn to 20 million).
The last one is obviously a joke, but seriously fuck Delver and it's interactions (or the lack thereof). There were multiple times where I knew what the opponent HAD to have at a particular game point and it didn't fucking matter because I was holding a Mana Leak. There were multiple times where I knew they can't interact with my threats so they were just drawing dead. There were multiple times I spent mana on my opponent's turn to 2 for them a turn a later because they had to cast shit on their turn.
Never played in odyssey standard I take it 2 years of mongrel go
I played in Odyssey, Mongrel is still my favorite 2 drop...but that deck didn't have Hexproof and Unblockables. Not to mention 8 power of most of the time unblockable damage along with an uncounterable instant speed 1/1 flyer from dead creatures. Circular Logic was pretty brutal though and killing the Dog was pretty impossible, still that deck isn't anywhere as bad this one (hello swords). |
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| hkf Australia. June 01 2012 15:05. Posts 322 | Profile Blog # |
On June 01 2012 14:12 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 14:01 hkf wrote:
On June 01 2012 13:58 Judicator wrote:
Dear Wizards, stop printing tempo decks, they have never ever been good for the standard environment.
I just played a few matches (like 10) with Delver, and the deck isn't fair or even fun. Oh you have 5 creatures out to my 1? STILL LOSING THE RACE. Oh you have 5 cards to my 2? LOSING THE RACE EVEN FASTER. Oh you have your nut draw? MANA LEAK-SNAPCASTER-MANA LEAK. This is on top of not flipping Delver consistently (or only about twice total) and misplaying a few games where I am still in a control player's mindset (the only modes I have ever known is attacking for lethal or not attacking and ticking up Karn to 20 million).
The last one is obviously a joke, but seriously fuck Delver and it's interactions (or the lack thereof). There were multiple times where I knew what the opponent HAD to have at a particular game point and it didn't fucking matter because I was holding a Mana Leak. There were multiple times where I knew they can't interact with my threats so they were just drawing dead. There were multiple times I spent mana on my opponent's turn to 2 for them a turn a later because they had to cast shit on their turn.
Never played in odyssey standard I take it 2 years of mongrel go
I played in Odyssey, Mongrel is still my favorite 2 drop...but that deck didn't have Hexproof and Unblockables. Not to mention 8 power of most of the time unblockable damage along with an uncounterable instant speed 1/1 flyer from dead creatures. Circular Logic was pretty brutal though and killing the Dog was pretty impossible, still that deck isn't anywhere as bad this one (hello swords).
Wonder wars would like to disagree
I think ug gives delver a run for its money. |
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| Judicator United States. June 02 2012 00:30. Posts 5838 | Profile Blog # |
On June 01 2012 15:05 hkf wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 14:12 Judicator wrote:
On June 01 2012 14:01 hkf wrote:
On June 01 2012 13:58 Judicator wrote:
Dear Wizards, stop printing tempo decks, they have never ever been good for the standard environment.
I just played a few matches (like 10) with Delver, and the deck isn't fair or even fun. Oh you have 5 creatures out to my 1? STILL LOSING THE RACE. Oh you have 5 cards to my 2? LOSING THE RACE EVEN FASTER. Oh you have your nut draw? MANA LEAK-SNAPCASTER-MANA LEAK. This is on top of not flipping Delver consistently (or only about twice total) and misplaying a few games where I am still in a control player's mindset (the only modes I have ever known is attacking for lethal or not attacking and ticking up Karn to 20 million).
The last one is obviously a joke, but seriously fuck Delver and it's interactions (or the lack thereof). There were multiple times where I knew what the opponent HAD to have at a particular game point and it didn't fucking matter because I was holding a Mana Leak. There were multiple times where I knew they can't interact with my threats so they were just drawing dead. There were multiple times I spent mana on my opponent's turn to 2 for them a turn a later because they had to cast shit on their turn.
Never played in odyssey standard I take it 2 years of mongrel go
I played in Odyssey, Mongrel is still my favorite 2 drop...but that deck didn't have Hexproof and Unblockables. Not to mention 8 power of most of the time unblockable damage along with an uncounterable instant speed 1/1 flyer from dead creatures. Circular Logic was pretty brutal though and killing the Dog was pretty impossible, still that deck isn't anywhere as bad this one (hello swords).
Wonder wars would like to disagree I think ug gives delver a run for its money.
Fair enough, in their respective formats I can see your point, but Delver is still more degenerate seeing how it just turns off certain interactions straight up with hexproof. I guess my point is that UG didn't trade up as well as Delver does. The answers for Delver require multiple slots, and mostly higher costing mana cards.Last edit: 2012-06-02 00:33:20 |
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| Durp Canada. June 02 2012 00:35. Posts 2851 | Profile Blog # |
I couldn't be happier that they're reprinting Nicol Bolas. I bought a single booster of Conflux long after it cycled out for shits and giggles, and cracked a foil Bolas. It has sat in the trader binder for so long, and finally it's going to get some play.
I wish the format didn't shit all over grixis control.
edit; also pretty stoked for captain of the watchLast edit: 2012-06-02 00:41:28 |
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