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 VoodooDog   Germany. November 03 2010 08:12. Posts 47
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my 7roach build is 7seconds faster and i got one drone more.
my 7th roach is rdy @ 4:08 at 29/34 sup
i could even have 8roaches @ 4:08 i guess

here is it

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 DoubleReed   United States. November 03 2010 08:13. Posts 3133
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Remember in the OP there was no "taking drones on and off minerals" so it's not that surprising honestly.
Baby, you want to make like Stravinsky and perform a Rite of Spring?
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 dmillz   Canada. November 03 2010 08:16. Posts 270
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Really good to hear there is a Terran and Protoss version under development! After seeing this Zerg one I immediately started looking at the code trying to determine how long it would take me to refactor the code for Terran and quickly realized I would much prefer the original developer to do it haha! I have never programmed with genetic algorithms and was not looking forward to the man-hours needed to reproduce a Terran version.
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  GHOSTCLAW   United States. November 03 2010 08:24. Posts 16717Profile Blog # 
Looks super cool.

no moral problems with stuff like this, as it's not like it can play the game for you. Macro, micro maps...all of that play into effect. If a tool like this can break the game and play for you, I don't want to play that game ^^
Liquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
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 VoodooDog   Germany. November 03 2010 08:36. Posts 47
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and here is the counterbuild the the 7roach all-in

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:D


or a defensiv counter with fe
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 barrykp   Ireland. November 03 2010 08:50. Posts 157
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On November 03 2010 08:12 VoodooDog wrote:
my 7roach build is 7seconds faster and i got one drone more.
my 7th roach is rdy @ 4:08 at 29/34 sup
i could even have 8roaches @ 4:08 i guess

here is it

+ Show Spoiler +
This is 3 seconds slower than the one I posted, but it has a much better economy (Queen + 16 drones vs 12drones and no queen). From a cheese perspective the biggest difference is that in this version the first roach pops at 4:34 and in the one my PC came up with the first 3 roaches are out almost a minute earlier. I tried this in a ladder game and the early pressure made some difference, although it has to be said that because of the easily-scoutable roach warren on 11 supply one has to assume a clever opponent might respond better.
Lecture me some more on how to play please; I need help.
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 dmillz   Canada. November 03 2010 08:51. Posts 270
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For those that don't know, if you lower the time limit from 120 minutes to something a lot more reasonable, it can run a LOT more games per second.
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 wristuzi   United Kingdom. November 03 2010 09:19. Posts 1168
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What an amazing tool! Thank you so much for creating it, it's a great way of making/thinking about new builds. I've tried the 7RR with limited success on ladder, but that's just cos I wanted to see how it handled against humans after practicing vs AI. But yeah, now I've found you can get +1 speed lings out by the 6 minute mark, and now I'm seeing how fast you can get adrenal glands. IT'S WICKED.

Some kind of compilation of the interesting builds people have found should be added to the OP, if possible, just to spread the word about good builds.

Once again, thanks for making such an awesome programme, now go make Protoss and Terran ones so we can find out more crazy builds
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
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 SCbiff   November 03 2010 11:15. Posts 110
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To the people that are complaining about things like multiple pools: this is a genetic program. You can wiki it for more information, but basically, at each evolutionary step, it will choose random things to do. This can either improve or degrade the solution, and the point of the evolution is to let the "strong" survive - i.e. pick the ones that are better.

IOW, if you let it run long enough it will remove the extraneous buildings.

Of course, there can be constraints on the evolution (like never build more than 1 pool). However, you have to be careful. Putting constraints limits the solution space, which might remove non-intuitive solutions that are actually improvements. Who would have thought back-to-back OLs would have been good? What if we had put such a constraint in? 7RR wouldn't have been discovered. It can be a good thing, just be cautious and make sure that it will not limit your options.
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 Bumblebees   United States. November 03 2010 11:57. Posts 310
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On November 03 2010 06:21 Lomilar wrote:
Doublereed, a history and way to look at old builds will be available in v0018.

As to a guide... Yes, we need one of those. A YouTube video would be great. Read this thread and you'll likely know way more than you want to, until somebody can get a video out. Husky?


I'll gladly make a video when 0018 is ready.
 
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  Malpractice   November 03 2010 11:59. Posts 34Profile # 

On November 03 2010 11:57 Bumblebees wrote:

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I'll gladly make a video when 0018 is ready.

<3 <3
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 TheExodu5   Canada. November 03 2010 12:23. Posts 3
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Are you planning on making the source available in any fashion?

I'm a Java developer, but only by profession. I would be very interested in seeing how you coded the app.

I would offer to help on the project, but I'm not sure if you're in need of any help or not. Sad to say, but my experience outside of work is severely limited and I'd love to get a chance to get some more varied experience.

edit: facepalm...I didn't notice the source tab in the project.
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 crw   Canada. November 03 2010 13:53. Posts 68
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a nice feature to this program would be to take a 'snapshot' of a build order while it is still mutating.

sometimes, i see really cool builds which have really better economy and very little difference in timing (maybe +10 seconds) but they are always thrown out if i let the program run too much because they aren't "the fastest".
Zerg need heavy buffs from Tier 1 to tier 3, against Terran and Protoss. blizzard needs to get on the ball or lose SC2 as an eSports venue.
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 dmillz   Canada. November 03 2010 14:41. Posts 270
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Kinda scary you can go for a 7 roach 4 ling push while setting up an expansion and still get muta's up in 7 minutes. I've been playing around a lot with different settings and customizing it greatly improves how quickly it comes up with better solutions. Can't wait for the Terran version.

On a side note I was interested in genetic programming 'cause of this and looked it up, pretty cool stuff. A lot more complicated then people would think.
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 Rankith   United States. November 03 2010 15:26. Posts 76
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Genetic algorithims are probably the most fun I have ever had with AI programming back in the day. Programs like this are why haha. Great work OP. Also, is the source available or going to be?

Edit: nvm im dumb its a jar file so there is the code
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 Ishq   Norway. November 03 2010 15:48. Posts 16
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On November 03 2010 08:51 dmillz wrote:
For those that don't know, if you lower the time limit from 120 minutes to something a lot more reasonable, it can run a LOT more games per second.


Thanks, this helped speed things up a lot!
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 johanngrunt   Hong Kong. November 03 2010 16:24. Posts 1554
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You're featured on Maximum PC =)
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/skynet_watch_programmer_uses_genetic_algorithims_find_perfect_starcraft_ii_build_orders

Good Job
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 QwiXXeR   November 03 2010 17:34. Posts 16
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On November 03 2010 08:12 VoodooDog wrote:
my 7roach build is 7seconds faster and i got one drone more.
my 7th roach is rdy @ 4:08 at 29/34 sup
i could even have 8roaches @ 4:08 i guess


here is it

+ Show Spoiler +


You mean your 7th Roach is STARTED at 4:08 ?
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 jinp6301   United States. November 04 2010 01:04. Posts 2
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Hey, I was just curious to what GA you chose. (I'm a grad student using GAs/SVMs to catagorize dna methylation data so I'm pretty comfortable with GAs) I'm not that good with java (mostly python for me) but I wanted to know if you chose one of the new GAs with incest prevention and all that good stuff.
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 divadretrac   United Kingdom. November 04 2010 03:35. Posts 36
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I get this error message..

[Java Virtual Machine Launcher]
Could not find the main class:
C:\Users\Dave\Desktop\evolutionchamber-version-0017.jar. Program will exit.

I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling JRE 6 update 22, and I just get the same message, what am I doing wrong and is anyone else getting this same error?
Wales
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