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On October 29 2010 06:55 annul wrote: wait so we cannot vote to lynch anyone directly, we have to vote for somebody to choose the lynch target? thats ridiculous lol For Day 1 this is actually quite normal. We will elect a mayor who chooses the Day 1 lynch. Every day after the town will elect a player to be lynched. Question for the mod... (and I hope I didn't miss this) Does the mayor get extra votes? Since there is nothing in the OP about this, afaik.... | ||
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people don't forget :> You gotta admit the mods always have fascinations with keeping the usual suspects on the mafia side. I wouldn't be surprised if either of you turned red. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:28 LunarDestiny wrote: DoctorHelvetica voting for Bumatlarge did give out some information about their alignment. If DoctorHelvetica is Town, then Bumatlarge is Town or Mafia If DoctorHelvetica is Mafia, then Bumatlarge is Mafia If Bumatlarge is Town, then DoctorHelvetica is Town If Bumatlarge is Mafia, then DoctorHelvetica can be Town or Mafia So in other words, we won't really know anything. | ||
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With god awful plans like that I'm half considering running just to get people to wake up and discuss how we can organize the roles and who we want to be targeted or saved or infected. How should the mayor role be treated for the benefit of the town? Is it wise for us to cross our fingers and hope a legit DT (if any in the game) check the mayor to confirm? Will this result in 2 mafia members pulling the strings because of some misinformation? Should we have the DT (if any) create a circle and once again cross our fingers? Should the DT (if any) speak up the second he checks a mafia? What other roles are we speculating could be in this game? | ||
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On October 29 2010 21:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: The way I'm sort of seeing this who situation is that this town circle is sort of like Congress. It's kinda of in the background, and they represent our votes. If we have good, experienced, town aligned players in this Congress, then we can have a lot of power in this game. If there is some mafia influence, how bad could it be for the town? An experienced player won't necessarily be influenced easily, and members of Congress will have to submit to a background check (everyone knows that politicians' lives aren't secret from anyone). Additionally, if Fishball is the mayor, his behavior will be heavily watched, and any scummy activity can be checked. Since no one else has really brought anything to the table, I believe that voting Fishball could be a *relatively* safe option. I reserve my judgement to see if/when another good candidate steps forward. This could be very bad for the town. This means that the say of the secret group will have more weight. If I'm sitting on the outskirts and the circle wants to lynch me, something tells me the mob mentality is going to be gunning me down, vs looking for a shadow behind this town circle veil. I'm very scared of the bandwagoning scenarios as it fucked the town over in the last game I played (mafia XXXI I believe...). We cannot play this game with the idea that the voices of the few will lead us to victory. That rarely happens, and can be really bad for the town if there is even ONE mafia player calling the shots. 2nd point: You're new so I won't yell at you for this... t.t It's _VERY_ easy to lie in this game. It's even easier to lie in a game where there's no visible structure. There is no list to check against, and the roles could be anything. Behavior will be a big part of this game, so you are on the right track there. What we need to do is stop worrying so much about how the blues will come and save us all. They are not the power-players of this game. The power-players are the townies who stand up and challenge the mass opinion. Ask questions. Analyze the other players. Learn who they are. There have been over THIRTY mafia games, and more than half of the players have played in at least one other game. Yah it's easy to adjust your tell, and you need to be cautious, but look for subtle changes in personality. I'll do you all a favor and save time: Don't analyze Ace. He's like a shape-shifter. He changes his personality game-to-game, so there's never a big paper trail. Analyze a player like me, and you'll notice consistency in my play (I am lazy ). Also... On October 29 2010 14:55 youngminii wrote: I buy fishball's story. I don't buy bum's. You know better. This is not your first rodeo YM.... It would be great if you could, oh I don't know... tell us WHY. That would be a good start. Idle posting is a good way to get the town on your back. You don't want that. Harass people (not like BillMurray does) to get mafia to pull a trigger on you. We can do more with more in this game. | ||
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Oh and Ace I sorta did that during the Harry Potter mafia when I ran for mayor. I don't recall if I directly said "because of my role I must be mayor," but I knew that my role was best placed in the position of power. | ||
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On October 30 2010 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: I know you have said that you can't prove yourself, and I don't necessarily think you shouldn't be mayor. I think you are a good candidate. However, I feel it is necessary to play Devil's Advocate and propose worst case scenarios. In your alternate scenarios, would you have been voted Mayor at that point? I'm not sure mayor can be role checked... Having yourself lynched would be nice as a consolation that we trusted the right person, but if you are a good Mayor, it doesn't really help us much. Can the Mayor be rolechecked? Generally when you rolecheck a mayor he will come back as [color=blue]Mayor[/blue] even if he has another role. | ||
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Mixed 2 types of BBCode. My bad | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players neutral circle 6 town aligned players neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town. if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens. ahhh okay I see where you're going with this. Thanks for clarifying. | ||
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On November 01 2010 14:26 Ace wrote: 1 bodyguard announced. Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim. Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard. DC says he never role claimed BG. I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim. He then comes out and says he lied. If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he. Totally agree. However I'm trying to understand the possibility of the mafia outting someone as a "bodyguard." What are the benefits? -Aeres would be 'lynchproof.' -DrH has to sit knowing that his "BG" is out in the open? Puts pressure on him? Why else would someone want to do that. It looks like he made a mistake. And I'm more inclined to believe InfiniteStory on this one. Up to this post I am 50/50 about lynching him. I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..). Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar. Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment... Also this: On November 01 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote: You should see Pandain's style of play in other games. In almost every game as town he would pull this type of shit and get killed and flip town and cause mass confusion. @jcarl: I understand what you mean by the town being very secure about me but there's not much they can do. As far as they can tell, I might be invincible and trying to kill me will do nothing. In any case, there's not really anything toooooo scummy about my (perceived) role imo. I hope not, but we can always test this scenario down the road On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me which is as good as anything other mayoral candidates offered and I'd be soaking up whatever roleblock power it was. we can only see what happens. a DT could investigate me as well if that would add any security to anyones mind. there is not necessarily a godfather in this game and I'd be suspicious of players operating under the assumption hat the godfather exists particularly in a game where the godfather would have to make up a role for himself. What if a DT can't check you? We don't know what you _should_ come back even if you were checked. We would waste a check figuring out of we can actually check you. I won't be throwing a FoS on you though since it's ridiculous to make that call by Day 2. There's so much behind the last day that could account for the failures of the lynch and the first night that we're not even aware of. It will ruin discussion by dwelling on it. | ||
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On November 01 2010 22:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: It has already been confirmed by Artanis that Dr.H can be DT checked. For example, he should come back as Mayor Stick assuming he hasn't lied about his role. Thanks for clarifying. | ||
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On November 01 2010 23:50 youngminii wrote: I apologise, I can try be more inactive just for you. What a great argument you have there. I've already said I was afk for basically all of day 1, are you seriously saying you can't see that? Probably made a 'newbie' mistake? It's a pretty huge mistake/scumtell if you looked at it carefully, I don't see why you're letting the cookie thief get away without even a slap on the wrist. I look at my arguments and then I look at the argument I threw out. Pandain and DrH going at it about how DrH has no way of proving he's innocent. Is this argument constructive? No, it will bring nothing new to the table. No analysis, except maybe Pandain's overeagerness of going for DrH. My arguments are designed to punish the liar, the person who got caught red handed in his 'one man hero attempt to save the bodyguard'. I'm still waiting for the counterargument and it's not coming. So yeah, I think I'll go ahead and gun him. I wasn't aware I had a style of being quiet until I'm lynched if I was just a townie. If you could direct me to a game where I did this, please do. Ditto for my typical 'pro-town' play. Oh yeah, how is it worth nothing I'm not 'just a townie'? You realise there are no 'just a townies' in this game, right? Or are you that inactive? I'd appreciate it if you stopped pulling idiotic arguments out. Thank you very much, Well without putting much effort into outting you since you don't know yourself well enough, this was (what looks like) your end-post for Flamewheels game: On August 15 2010 23:09 youngminii wrote: I'm a bit sick of this game. I don't think I like playing town roles that much, I'm just not motivated to play, sorry about the afkness. I'm still trying to keep up with what's happening though. From what I can tell: Misder = mafia (confirmed) foolishness = mafia (in my eyes) So there go my votes. Reference Post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517¤tpage=91#1811 Very apathetic. Not very engaging. Not really pushing with "evidence." You had this epiphany where you're going to use reason in your posts? I find it highly suspicious. | ||
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On November 02 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote: But if you cannot have a successful poke, no matter what reason, then you can never prove your role. It's that simple. Oh, the paradox. Well then that means every other player will be able to operate their night actions without restraint. If a player other than DrH was roleblocked that might be a bit suspicious... | ||
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