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| wei2coolman United States. February 21 2012 11:23. Posts 10497 | Profile # |
On February 21 2012 11:20 zoLo wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 21 2012 03:54 andrewlt wrote:
On February 21 2012 03:07 Dizmaul wrote:
Wow I always thought first gen meant first born in that country. Had no idea people called that 2nd. Also isn't your "generation" when you where born. So to me it makes more sense that 1st gen has to be born in that country.
That's not how the term is used widely by Asian Americans. I believe studies documenting immigrants don't use it that way, either. The first generation are always the people that moved.
I'm Asian American, 1st gen, means 1st generation born.
lol, there really isn't any use in discussing this topic anymore since the use of first generation can be used in either way.
generate-to create/to make.
1stgeneration quite literally means the first made/created.
Seriously all the supposed "racist" headlines and shit, about lin. I really don't give a shit. Dunno why Americans are so damn sensitive about race, it's stupid.
Anyone else in this thread should read OP, and when it was posted. Give this guy a fucking cookie. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. February 21 2012 11:40. Posts 7991 | Profile # |
On February 21 2012 06:09 rei wrote:
well it's not just him getting gang up inside, sometimes he's being careless too, like when he turned his back toward the defender, he keeps dribbling the ball with the regular height as a result black dudes with long arms can reach over him and slap that ball away without him seeing the hand moving from behind him. He needed to do low dribble and keep his movement.
Also, his teammates looks for him to pass the ball to, even when he hand the ball off to someone, they will look for him to set up the pick and roll almost every position. Few exceptions I saw was from yesterday's game with JR Smith, that guy didn't look for Lin in few positions where he took his guy 1vs1.
It's funny the way Knicks runs the offense, Lin just run from one pick and roll to the next till something open up, get the shot up and crash the board. There were positions where the Marvs defended every single pick and roll perfectly, and Lin had to jack up 3pters over 7footers who switched during the pick and roll at the last second. I think what they should do is to have Lin do the pick and roll thing and if the other team defended it well, then drop the ball to one of their 1vs1 guys for isolation, they have 3 now, shouldn't be hard!
It's comical and amazing that the first people we're comparing this scrub from nowhere to are Chris Paul and Steve Nash. |
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| Supamang United States. February 21 2012 12:19. Posts 2085 | Profile # |
On February 21 2012 11:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 06:09 rei wrote:
well it's not just him getting gang up inside, sometimes he's being careless too, like when he turned his back toward the defender, he keeps dribbling the ball with the regular height as a result black dudes with long arms can reach over him and slap that ball away without him seeing the hand moving from behind him. He needed to do low dribble and keep his movement.
Also, his teammates looks for him to pass the ball to, even when he hand the ball off to someone, they will look for him to set up the pick and roll almost every position. Few exceptions I saw was from yesterday's game with JR Smith, that guy didn't look for Lin in few positions where he took his guy 1vs1.
It's funny the way Knicks runs the offense, Lin just run from one pick and roll to the next till something open up, get the shot up and crash the board. There were positions where the Marvs defended every single pick and roll perfectly, and Lin had to jack up 3pters over 7footers who switched during the pick and roll at the last second. I think what they should do is to have Lin do the pick and roll thing and if the other team defended it well, then drop the ball to one of their 1vs1 guys for isolation, they have 3 now, shouldn't be hard!
It's comical and amazing that the first people we're comparing this scrub from nowhere to are Chris Paul and Steve Nash.
Scrub huh... |
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| CosmicSpiral United States. February 21 2012 12:37. Posts 7592 | Profile Blog # |
| 21 points, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 4 steals, 3 turnovers. Only 7-18 from the floor but his team seriously let him down tonight. D-Will was lights out from beyond the arc. Last edit: 2012-02-21 12:38:22 |
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| rei United States. February 21 2012 12:44. Posts 2927 | Profile Blog # |
| I think his team played decent, could be a lot better, especially Melo with 6 turnovers, and Stoudemire didn't Box out for rebounds during clutch time and got owned bad. it's something they can build up from. They would have won this if not for Dwill going apeshit streaking. The ball movement was good for the Knicks, they got like 6ppl in double digit scoring, their offense is working. Last edit: 2012-02-21 12:46:10 |
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| s3rp Germany. February 21 2012 12:55. Posts 2968 | Profile # |
Lin had great stats tonight but i don't think he played well. He forced alot of bad shots on offense and got killed by Deron and pretty much every Guard the Nets put against him since he didn't know how to deal with the Off-Ball screens the Nets threw at him the whole game.
Quite honestly Williams was supermotivated to make a statement today and he did. Last edit: 2012-02-21 13:07:32 |
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 StorkHwaiting United States. February 21 2012 13:58. Posts 3464 | Profile Blog # |
Lin's teammates weren't good tonight. Jeffries was fking terrible as always. Smith hardly showed up. Davis was a dud. Carmelo below 40% shooting. Stoudemire barely 40%. 6 TOs from Carmelo. And Nets had triple the 3-pters... And that's not all on Lin. Plenty of nets were dropping 3s not just Williams.
Also, a lot of Lin's TOs are because his teammates are not hussling and not showing up in the open lanes. Stoudemire is constantly doing this, walking his lazy ass around when there's an open spot a few feet in front of him and letting the other team intercept the pass. Those TOs shouldn't be on Lin but he gets counted for em. |
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| buickskylark Canada. February 21 2012 14:11. Posts 664 | Profile Blog # |
Hmm, Knicks looked exactly the same in both NO and NJ games. Just couldn't get the shots to fall in. Stoudamire looks like a fraction of his former selve. No real explosiveness or hustle on defense or offense. Lin was deferring a lot to Melo and the other guys though and this has shown to be the Knicks downfall in the New Orleans game. I've love to see what's going behind the scenes in Knicks practice as this situation is one of the most unique in a sports team environment in some time. I'm sure a lot of it is just mental right now, figuring out what each other's roles are. I bet Melo and Amare still can't believe that an Asian is leading their team.
Stork: Lin should have more TO's this game as the defenders actually locked him up in the paint when the refs bailed him out with reach in fouls. Last edit: 2012-02-21 14:12:46 |
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| Aela February 21 2012 14:27. Posts 97 | Profile # |
WoW! Some NBA team should hire royzizzle(threadstarter) as a scout, he probably was the only guy on the planet who thought Lin would make it.
I, as an Mavs fan, saw the summer league games of lin for the mavs and I hoped DAL would sign him. I thought he would become a nice Pass-First PG. But in his Summer League games he showed like no offense/defense at all and some nice dishes arent enough to make it in the NBA.
He will probably be a asian J.J. Barea. |
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| ampson United States. February 21 2012 14:47. Posts 1884 | Profile Blog # |
| Damn, Linsanity didn't even exist when this thread was started. OP deserves a freaking medal. |
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 Hot_Bid Administrator February 21 2012 14:49. | Profile Blog # |
On October 26 2010 12:33 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 12:24 Tazza wrote:
I think a lot of what you guys are saying, is what a lot of critics have said about him. However, time and time again, he proves them wrong. Listen, he averaged like 25 ppg in high school, but wasn't recruited heavily, and went to harvard. A lot of people said he couldn't succeed in college, as the players were too fast and strong, he proves them wrong by putting up gaudy stats, and beating major teams like bc and maryland. Now, in the nba, i suspect the same. Did you see what he did against john wall? He played great. And he's not a small point guard, he is about 6'2-6'3, which is actually a little taller than the average pg.
In the end, i hope he doesn't have to deal with the racism he had to deal with those dumbass fuck college basketball fans. Seriously, it was ridiculous what he had to go through. If i were him, i certainly would have gone out to the stands and started beatin the shit out of everyone. At least nba has some good asian players, and a lot more foreign players in general
I also saw him choke against Ivy League competition. Say what you want, I admire his work ethic, but the NBA isn't college; there's a reason why people fail from college to it. He's not that quick and will have issues fighting through screens. Not hating on him, just the truth. John Wall gets loose with the ball, he averaged like 8 TOs per game in college, that's against mediocre SEC competition too, so I wouldn't read too much into it. The other college game people love highlighting is his performance against Uconn; if you watched Uconn since 2000, then you know that they can't guard a shooting guard worth their life, it doesn't matter who it is.
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| Zlasher United States. February 21 2012 15:44. Posts 8323 | Profile Blog # |
| Rofl nice dig...but Wall didn't average 8 TO's, and I've never heard mediocre SEC competition before, not to mention in college basketball you go against top teams regularly that aren't in the conference. |
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 Klogon MURICA. February 21 2012 16:22. Posts 15815 | Profile Blog # |
| Meh, it was a sloppy and messy game, but not particularly terrible. They scored 92 points - that type of offense is enough to win a lot of games. But when DWill monsters like he did, you lose. Yeah, sounds about right. |
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| GhostOwl February 21 2012 17:25. Posts 529 | Profile Blog # |
On February 21 2012 11:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 06:09 rei wrote:
well it's not just him getting gang up inside, sometimes he's being careless too, like when he turned his back toward the defender, he keeps dribbling the ball with the regular height as a result black dudes with long arms can reach over him and slap that ball away without him seeing the hand moving from behind him. He needed to do low dribble and keep his movement.
Also, his teammates looks for him to pass the ball to, even when he hand the ball off to someone, they will look for him to set up the pick and roll almost every position. Few exceptions I saw was from yesterday's game with JR Smith, that guy didn't look for Lin in few positions where he took his guy 1vs1.
It's funny the way Knicks runs the offense, Lin just run from one pick and roll to the next till something open up, get the shot up and crash the board. There were positions where the Marvs defended every single pick and roll perfectly, and Lin had to jack up 3pters over 7footers who switched during the pick and roll at the last second. I think what they should do is to have Lin do the pick and roll thing and if the other team defended it well, then drop the ball to one of their 1vs1 guys for isolation, they have 3 now, shouldn't be hard!
It's comical and amazing that the first people we're comparing this scrub from nowhere to are Chris Paul and Steve Nash.
I find it funny that basketball no-names like you are calling a talented player a scrub, while basketball legends like Magic Johnson and Steve Nash are praising him
He's averaging 20+ points a game, and really driving Knicks offense into a formidable machine. Go back to college basketball please and stop before you embarrass yourself even more.. |
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| shaftofpleasure Korea (North). February 21 2012 18:23. Posts 1127 | Profile Blog # |
On February 21 2012 12:19 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 21 2012 06:09 rei wrote:
well it's not just him getting gang up inside, sometimes he's being careless too, like when he turned his back toward the defender, he keeps dribbling the ball with the regular height as a result black dudes with long arms can reach over him and slap that ball away without him seeing the hand moving from behind him. He needed to do low dribble and keep his movement.
Also, his teammates looks for him to pass the ball to, even when he hand the ball off to someone, they will look for him to set up the pick and roll almost every position. Few exceptions I saw was from yesterday's game with JR Smith, that guy didn't look for Lin in few positions where he took his guy 1vs1.
It's funny the way Knicks runs the offense, Lin just run from one pick and roll to the next till something open up, get the shot up and crash the board. There were positions where the Marvs defended every single pick and roll perfectly, and Lin had to jack up 3pters over 7footers who switched during the pick and roll at the last second. I think what they should do is to have Lin do the pick and roll thing and if the other team defended it well, then drop the ball to one of their 1vs1 guys for isolation, they have 3 now, shouldn't be hard!
It's comical and amazing that the first people we're comparing this scrub from nowhere to are Chris Paul and Steve Nash.
Scrub huh...
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| AntiGrav1ty Germany. February 21 2012 18:37. Posts 1885 | Profile # |
| Amare just looks so apathetic ont he field. He stands around watching most of the time. Doesn't box out, not filling the lanes or running the break, no help defense. Even when he has the ball there is no explosiveness left. |
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| s3rp Germany. February 21 2012 22:44. Posts 2968 | Profile # |
On February 21 2012 14:49 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 12:33 Judicator wrote:
On October 26 2010 12:24 Tazza wrote:
I think a lot of what you guys are saying, is what a lot of critics have said about him. However, time and time again, he proves them wrong. Listen, he averaged like 25 ppg in high school, but wasn't recruited heavily, and went to harvard. A lot of people said he couldn't succeed in college, as the players were too fast and strong, he proves them wrong by putting up gaudy stats, and beating major teams like bc and maryland. Now, in the nba, i suspect the same. Did you see what he did against john wall? He played great. And he's not a small point guard, he is about 6'2-6'3, which is actually a little taller than the average pg.
In the end, i hope he doesn't have to deal with the racism he had to deal with those dumbass fuck college basketball fans. Seriously, it was ridiculous what he had to go through. If i were him, i certainly would have gone out to the stands and started beatin the shit out of everyone. At least nba has some good asian players, and a lot more foreign players in general
I also saw him choke against Ivy League competition. Say what you want, I admire his work ethic, but the NBA isn't college; there's a reason why people fail from college to it. He's not that quick and will have issues fighting through screens. Not hating on him, just the truth. John Wall gets loose with the ball, he averaged like 8 TOs per game in college, that's against mediocre SEC competition too, so I wouldn't read too much into it. The other college game people love highlighting is his performance against Uconn; if you watched Uconn since 2000, then you know that they can't guard a shooting guard worth their life, it doesn't matter who it is.
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To be fair fighting through screens is exactly what Lin struggled with so far. Lin's pretty good but like every young players he'll have to adjust his game alot once the scouting report on you is out. Not saying Lin can't do it but it's going to get tougher for sure. I only saw his games against the Mavs and the Nets and i don't think he looked all that great in both of them even though he looked good on the Statsheet. Some flashes with great plays but alot of needless dribbling around and taking stupid ass shots while beeing bailed out by the refs a ton. Right now the whole league is in love with him so he gets alot of calls in his favor ( honestly only reason the Knicks won on Sunday in my mind was getting a buttload of questionable calls ) . At some points thats not going to happen anymore.
Right now Amare and Melo look like Scrubs and Lin looks great not sure that's what the Knicks want. D'Antoni has to adjust the system to make everyone work while still winning. A lineup with Melo / Amare and Lin will get killed on defense especially they also play JR Smith.
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 Jibba United States. February 21 2012 23:10. Posts 20686 | Profile Blog # |
On February 21 2012 13:58 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Lin's teammates weren't good tonight. Jeffries was fking terrible as always. Smith hardly showed up. Davis was a dud. Carmelo below 40% shooting. Stoudemire barely 40%. 6 TOs from Carmelo. And Nets had triple the 3-pters... And that's not all on Lin. Plenty of nets were dropping 3s not just Williams.
Also, a lot of Lin's TOs are because his teammates are not hussling and not showing up in the open lanes. Stoudemire is constantly doing this, walking his lazy ass around when there's an open spot a few feet in front of him and letting the other team intercept the pass. Those TOs shouldn't be on Lin but he gets counted for em.
Uh... Lin's turnovers were on him. He's not a very crisp passer, plus he got bailed out of 4 or 5 sloppy dribbling turnovers with weak fouls. |
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| Jibba United States. February 21 2012 23:14. Posts 20686 | Profile Blog # |
On February 21 2012 16:22 Klogon wrote:
Meh, it was a sloppy and messy game, but not particularly terrible. They scored 92 points - that type of offense is enough to win a lot of games. But when DWill monsters like he did, you lose. Yeah, sounds about right.
O.O 92 points is relatively poor offensively, especially when your defense is as bad as the Knicks'. They averaged over 105 per game last season. Even with DWill going off, the Knicks shouldn't have lost.
MarShon (capital 'S', really?) Brooks and Kris Humphries were the ones who shouldn't be abusing the Knicks like that.Last edit: 2012-02-21 23:22:39 |
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| Zorkmid Canada. February 21 2012 23:20. Posts 3885 | Profile Blog # |
On February 21 2012 18:37 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Amare just looks so apathetic ont he field. He stands around watching most of the time. Doesn't box out, not filling the lanes or running the break, no help defense. Even when he has the ball there is no explosiveness left.
I used to that think Amare basically skated by on his athleticism and having Steve Nash passing him the ball. After his first year in NY he made a believer out of me. I didn't think he'd be shit with Nash.
But now without the explosiveness, what is he? The situation reminds me of Kenyon Martin somewhat.
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