| crate United States. August 23 2011 03:46. Posts 1925 | Profile Blog # |
| Riot said that this incoming heal nerf is just the start of their sustainability nerfs. I read that as saying that dealing with champs like Udyr and Lee Sin etc. at top who have crazy self-sustain will be done once Riot figures out how to deal with it (like someone on here has said a few times this may require the discussed jungle reworks that Guinsoo tweeted about some time ago though, because right now if you kill the sustain on those champs you kill a lot of their jungle prowess too, which Riot is probably hesistant about). |
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| Simple United States. August 23 2011 04:14. Posts 724 | Profile Blog # | |
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| arnath United States. August 23 2011 04:19. Posts 655 | Profile # |
In what sense is a 65% increase in mana cost on her heal (which was easily the spell you cast most often in lane) offset by a 10% decrease in the mana cost on her spear? How often were you really spamming her spear in lane anyways?
And the point is, you can't just nerf Nidalee's heal, leave all the other ridiculous sustain heroes the same, and expect her to still be a balanced solo top. If they did all of these changes at once then sure, I'd agree that everything's fine because frankly her heal IS too strong. The problem is, there's a shitload of sustain abilities that are too strong right now and they've only nerfed one of them unless there are a bunch of extra sustain changes they didn't mention in the patch preview (counting common solo heroes only). |
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| HyperionDreamer Canada. August 23 2011 05:00. Posts 1053 | Profile Blog # |
They're wanting to make her more active in teamfights, which I think changing the cougar form will do pretty well... All this means is that if you're not going to get the 10% dodge and you want more sustain in lane because of the nerfed heal, you can take SoS in the defensive tree instead of nimbleness.
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| Deranes Sweden. August 25 2011 03:09. Posts 49 | Profile # |
| 4 second cooldown on pounce... wow that sucks. I'm absolutely going to build morello's evil tome first now and steal bluebuff from enemy or my jungler(depending on blue/purple side). Probably going to replace my AP runes since the ap-ratio on heal is pretty bad now(mana regen instead maybe?). And my dodge runes as well because of passive-cat change =/ |
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| HazMat United States. August 25 2011 07:46. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
The CD pounce isn't all that bad. Just run cdr blues + 21 util and you'll already be at less than 3 seconds. With blue you can get maxed CDR and like 2.1 seconds pounces (I don't remember the exact number)
I've been building a tear early. Heal costs insane mana now so you need a tear because you'll run oom even with blue. With deathcap and AA your heal will still be really strong. Javelin is a 4 second cooldown with 40cdr now. |
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| Orpheos United States. August 25 2011 07:47. Posts 1337 | Profile # |
| Lawl HSGG turning nidalee into spear BOOM headshot bitch |
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| arnath United States. August 25 2011 07:49. Posts 655 | Profile # |
On August 25 2011 07:46 HazMat wrote:
The CD pounce isn't all that bad. Just run cdr blues + 21 util and you'll already be at less than 3 seconds.
Uh ... what? Full CDR blues is 5.85%, the offense + util mastery puts you at 14.85%. That only puts you at a 3.4 second pounce, need another 10% CDR to even get it back to where it was before.
EDIT: Also, CDR blues are 100% useless on every other hero in the game so you need a rune page specifically for Nidalee now. Last edit: 2011-08-25 07:50:03 |
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| HazMat United States. August 25 2011 07:50. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
| Hm Hotshot went RoA. He has the same idea as me. I was thinking whether I should RoA or AA. I'll try RoA next game and see how it feels. It definitely makes more sense with how you have to be in cougar form a lot more now. |
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| HazMat United States. August 25 2011 07:59. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
On August 25 2011 07:49 arnath wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 07:46 HazMat wrote:
The CD pounce isn't all that bad. Just run cdr blues + 21 util and you'll already be at less than 3 seconds.
Uh ... what? Full CDR blues is 5.85%, the offense + util mastery puts you at 14.85%. That only puts you at a 3.4 second pounce, need another 10% CDR to even get it back to where it was before. EDIT: Also, CDR blues are 100% useless on every other hero in the game so you need a rune page specifically for Nidalee now.
With only 8 cdr, I'm at 3.19 secs. I just need cdr quints. |
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| arnath United States. August 25 2011 09:08. Posts 655 | Profile # |
| Are you sure the tooltip just isn't wrong? Patch notes said 4 seconds while your results would indicate 3.5 seconds (which is what the original notes posted by Shurelia said). |
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| HazMat United States. August 25 2011 09:11. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
On August 25 2011 09:08 arnath wrote:
Are you sure the tooltip just isn't wrong? Patch notes said 4 seconds while your results would indicate 3.5 seconds (which is what the original notes posted by Shurelia said).
I think patch notes were wrong. |
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| HazMat United States. August 25 2011 09:20. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
Nevermind, the tooltip is bugged.
Fuckkkk this champ then. |
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| arnath United States. August 25 2011 09:24. Posts 655 | Profile # |
How did you find out for sure?
Honestly, what pisses me off the most about these Nidalee changes is the fact that Riot (and Phreak in particular) continue to act like they buffed her or something when they in fact fucked the shit out of most of her kit. They took her from a cool multidimensional character with a slightly too strong heal to basically a spearbot. |
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| HazMat United States. August 25 2011 10:01. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
On August 25 2011 09:24 arnath wrote:
How did you find out for sure?
Honestly, what pisses me off the most about these Nidalee changes is the fact that Riot (and Phreak in particular) continue to act like they buffed her or something when they in fact fucked the shit out of most of her kit. They took her from a cool multidimensional character with a slightly too strong heal to basically a spearbot.
I took my ipod's stopwatch and pressed it at the same time as I pressed pounce. 4 seconds.
I pm'd moonbear about it. |
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| ArC_man United States. August 26 2011 03:43. Posts 2357 | Profile Blog # |
| Holy shit her mana cost on heal went through the roof. |
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| HazMat United States. September 16 2011 07:55. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
Ok this patch Tank Nid is pretty sick. Just use heal for ASPD buff on carry or yourself and cougar to the frontline.
Boots + 3hp solotop
Warmogs
Atmas
Spirit Visage
Triforce or FoN
Not sure about Spirit Visage but I like it more than Frozen heart. It also buffs your heal by ~30 at lvl 5.
Apen reds // Hp per level Yellows // CDR blues // Apen quints
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| Ryuu314 United States. September 16 2011 09:25. Posts 5396 | Profile # |
On September 16 2011 07:55 HazMat wrote:
Ok this patch Tank Nid is pretty sick. Just use heal for ASPD buff on carry or yourself and cougar to the frontline.
Boots + 3hp solotop
Warmogs
Atmas
Spirit Visage
Triforce or FoN
Not sure about Spirit Visage but I like it more than Frozen heart. It also buffs your heal by ~30 at lvl 5.
Apen reds // Hp per level Yellows // CDR blues // Apen quints
So basically Nid is a tanky melee dps now? lol
So much for Riot wanting to get rid of that trend >.> |
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| Ryalnos United States. September 16 2011 09:37. Posts 1605 | Profile # |
| I saw HSGG playing some mean tankalee a day or two ago, seemed strong but then he farms like a boss so... |
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 TheYango United States. September 16 2011 09:47. Posts 16307 | Profile # |
On September 16 2011 09:25 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 07:55 HazMat wrote:
Ok this patch Tank Nid is pretty sick. Just use heal for ASPD buff on carry or yourself and cougar to the frontline.
Boots + 3hp solotop
Warmogs
Atmas
Spirit Visage
Triforce or FoN
Not sure about Spirit Visage but I like it more than Frozen heart. It also buffs your heal by ~30 at lvl 5.
Apen reds // Hp per level Yellows // CDR blues // Apen quints
So basically Nid is a tanky melee dps now? lol So much for Riot wanting to get rid of that trend >.>
To be fair, Riot DID want Nidalee to use Cougar form more in fights, and this change does just that. |
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