On September 16 2011 07:55 HazMat wrote: Ok this patch Tank Nid is pretty sick. Just use heal for ASPD buff on carry or yourself and cougar to the frontline.
Boots + 3hp solotop Warmogs Atmas Spirit Visage Triforce or FoN
Not sure about Spirit Visage but I like it more than Frozen heart. It also buffs your heal by ~30 at lvl 5.
Apen reds // Hp per level Yellows // CDR blues // Apen quints
So basically Nid is a tanky melee dps now? lol
So much for Riot wanting to get rid of that trend >.>
To be fair, Riot DID want Nidalee to use Cougar form more in fights, and this change does just that.
Is her damage output even relevant enough in teamfights though? I've never seen anyone go tank nid since the changes, and I've watched hotshot build her RoA -> Frozen Heart -> Deathcap multiple times on stream since then.
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arthur United Kingdom. September 17 2011 11:18. Posts 431
On September 16 2011 07:55 HazMat wrote: Ok this patch Tank Nid is pretty sick. Just use heal for ASPD buff on carry or yourself and cougar to the frontline.
Boots + 3hp solotop Warmogs Atmas Spirit Visage Triforce or FoN
Not sure about Spirit Visage but I like it more than Frozen heart. It also buffs your heal by ~30 at lvl 5.
Apen reds // Hp per level Yellows // CDR blues // Apen quints
So basically Nid is a tanky melee dps now? lol
So much for Riot wanting to get rid of that trend >.>
To be fair, Riot DID want Nidalee to use Cougar form more in fights, and this change does just that.
Is her damage output even relevant enough in teamfights though?
Yes.
Lorken New Zealand. September 19 2011 09:55. Posts 641
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but tears of the goddess's passive works when in cougar form, is this a bug? makes for really easy mana/ap
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Jaso United States. September 19 2011 10:02. Posts 1505
So how good is Nidalee these days? How do you build her, especially concerning runes and masteries? I figured, RoA -> Deathcap is the way to go these days, maybe throw in a frozen heart (I've seen HSGG both get it and skip it multiple times).
I really feel like mastering a cool, unique champ and I am still struggling which one it should be. Is Nidalee still a force to be reckoned with?
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arthur United Kingdom. September 21 2011 18:56. Posts 431
On September 21 2011 16:52 Shiv. wrote: So how good is Nidalee these days? How do you build her, especially concerning runes and masteries? I figured, RoA -> Deathcap is the way to go these days, maybe throw in a frozen heart (I've seen HSGG both get it and skip it multiple times).
I really feel like mastering a cool, unique champ and I am still struggling which one it should be. Is Nidalee still a force to be reckoned with?
Yes. The way I used to play her, 2 years ago, was sheen opening, into tanky dps.
And I've gone back to doing this after the heals to her nerf, and now her pounce has been reverted (almost) to how it used to be, and being doing really well.
Just master her pounce, push every lane, gank every lane, put traps everywhere and play easy.
I almost always open Sheen, and like arthur said, depending on team comps it's completely viable to go tanky-DPS. I, personally, like to open Sheen in to boots -- Lucidity if I can get away with it -- in to Rageblade in to Trinity Force if I'm not pressured to build defensively, but after that I'm usually focused hard and like to build tanky, items dependent on the enemy team. I try to work Frozen Heart in to my build because of the CDR, though getting Glacial Shield and working on something tankier after just that can be a good idea.
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Thereisnosaurus Australia. September 24 2011 01:59. Posts 1321
To any experienced nidalee players out there, I've come up against malz in a solo lane twice now, and both times I got crushed despite playing very conservatively. Is there any advice you have for laning vs a malzahar?
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HazMat United States. September 24 2011 02:27. Posts 9197
On October 18 2011 11:50 obesechicken13 wrote: Does nidalee have infinite bushwacks? They last 3 minutes though unlike teemoshrooms TT
Also, can you direct cast them on an enemy champion like a spell?
They actually last 4 minutes, and you can't directly cast them on a champion. If you place it on the ground below them, it takes a second or two before it can activate.
Phunkapotamus United States. October 21 2011 02:57. Posts 240
So is Nid more viable as TankyDPS or AP now? I've seen many different builds since her nerfs.
Hotshot opens Mana Crystal/2 Pots. Some people still open Doran's Others open Boots/3pots
Some people go Warmogs->Atma's->Veil/FrozenHeart Others go: RoA->Deathcap
I've personally had more success with RoA/Deathcap because I'm a blue-whore and like spamming Javs (brooms).
My runes are a mixed bag too. I generally go ArPen reds/Armor Yellows, but haven't found what I like yet because I'm still not sure what the hell the optimal route is anymore.
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Juicyfruit Canada. October 21 2011 03:12. Posts 3477
Wota Deathcap max Q da best. It's hilarious when you can spear a minion at max range and heal off more than with your actual heal.
Conversely, the mana cost on E scales obscenely high so it's much better to just leave it at low level and stack a bunch of AP. It's still got 0.7AP ratio so with runes, Dring and revolver you're looking at around 100 heals for 60 mana, which is not bad at all.
Her cougar spells don't cost mana which means if you have spell vamp you can pounce and swipe creeps for free sustain as well.
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obesechicken13 United States. October 30 2011 09:39. Posts 4218
I had some trouble landing nidalee spears against bots recently. I was thinking of a deathfire and morellos build where I maxed cooldowns and got decent AP and mana regen early, and then just poked people during the teamfight stage so I could force a member on the enemy team back with my 3.6 cd spears, every few seconds leading to a 4v5. But those bots don't hang out around towers like people do and they stand really close to their creeps -_-
phyvo United States. October 30 2011 10:38. Posts 1447
On October 21 2011 03:12 Juicyfruit wrote: Wota Deathcap max Q da best. It's hilarious when you can spear a minion at max range and heal off more than with your actual heal.
Conversely, the mana cost on E scales obscenely high so it's much better to just leave it at low level and stack a bunch of AP. It's still got 0.7AP ratio so with runes, Dring and revolver you're looking at around 100 heals for 60 mana, which is not bad at all.
Her cougar spells don't cost mana which means if you have spell vamp you can pounce and swipe creeps for free sustain as well.
Actually even with no AP whatsoever E gets more mana efficient as you level it. Cursory math shows that you should probably level it to 2 or 3 before you hit 6 as that's when you make the largest efficiency gains by ranking. Since you're not going to be landing spears early in lane there's not really a point to going strictly Q>E.
Spear doesn't become as efficient a source of healing as E until WotA is finished, but yes for trading hits in a tower siege that's still really good. Cougar form spell vamp is free, yes, but is AoE and gets AoE penalty and in my experience just doesn't actually do that much.
On October 30 2011 09:39 obesechicken13 wrote: I had some trouble landing nidalee spears against bots recently. I was thinking of a deathfire and morellos build where I maxed cooldowns and got decent AP and mana regen early, and then just poked people during the teamfight stage so I could force a member on the enemy team back with my 3.6 cd spears, every few seconds leading to a 4v5. But those bots don't hang out around towers like people do and they stand really close to their creeps -_-
If you need CDR on spear nid you get blue buff. Taking blue buff is easy with Nidalee after level 6 and is a lot cheaper than spending 5k gold on mana regen/CDR items you don't need. If blue isn't available enough the standard spear nid build is RoA->Deathcap. Even without blue buff this is superior for sieges because it's more mana efficient (each spear does more damage) and mana > mana regen unless your blue pill button is broken.
A lot of newbies fall into this trap with casters where they think they need to max their CDR with items. There are very few casters in the game where a CDR AP item is desirable (Veigar/Xerath), and even fewer who max CDR without blue buff on purpose (Ryze).
Finally, bots don't play like people. Consider any skill you might learn killing bots to be akin to being able to fart a national anthem musically. Fun, but not something to worry about.
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Phunkapotamus United States. October 30 2011 10:54. Posts 240
I'm not a fan of Wota on Nidalee. Spellvamp isn't that big of a deal to worry about with heals. You should be getting blue, so mana is never an issue to just heal up with. It's not a terrible item, I just think a catalyst is better.
Twice now I've seen HotshotGG go AD Nidalee when he decides he has had enough of noobs and wants to get a quick win. He absolutely dominates these games. They haven't lasted over 30 mins, and both times he just shits on solotop chars like Irelia and Cho.
ArPen Quints/Reds Split Armor & Dodge yellows (no idea why) Flat CDR Blues
Boots/3 HP Wriggles 1-2 Doran's Swords Brutalizer Rageblade (WTF?)
On September 24 2011 01:59 Thereisnosaurus wrote: To any experienced nidalee players out there, I've come up against malz in a solo lane twice now, and both times I got crushed despite playing very conservatively. Is there any advice you have for laning vs a malzahar?
don't let him constantly push you with huge waves, just keep autoattacking from level one on and don't really go super aggressive on him.
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sylverfyre United States. October 30 2011 11:58. Posts 4132
What's so wtf about rageblade on nidalee? It's not her standard anymore, but it used to be - she can maintain the stacks for free (press pounce on CD alone is stack-maintenance, and the stats are all useful in some way to her.
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