[Champion] Nidalee

there are definitely counters to nidalee. As mentioned, tryndamere just eats nidalee. Shen is a good pick too but there is a reason why he is perma banned in ranked lol. I am also afraid to lane vs a good pantheon because pantheon will take a lot of hits and 1 combo takes out like half of nid's hp. mana is his problem but if the player is good with mana management, pantheon is god at top.

I feel she really needs to sustain early and take advantage, otherwise she can get heavily denied by heroes like Lee Sin. Because he has the ability to do some nasty burst dmg. vs some heroes, you just have to play passively like chogath or vlad. nid can easily win lane vs cho but its so damn hard to kill the bastard. Anyway, nid will win top lane most of the time unless it is heavy counter, or you mess up early at like level 2,3 vs likes of lee sin, riven, panth, etc.

Alaric France. April 05 2012 01:46. Posts 8727

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Yeah, I'm always confident picking Pantheon against Nidalee. I'd probably be with pre-nerf Irelia too, since she can just shove the wave with her ult and survive Nidalee until the point where she just bursts her for half her health anytime Nida makes the mistake to come near at a higher HP%. But I don't think post-nerf Irelia can survive her harass w/o getting way behind.

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noggnoskill United States. April 05 2012 01:48. Posts 54

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On April 05 2012 01:37 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
nid will win top lane most of the time unless...you mess up early

PLEASE, ENLIGHTEN US MORE.

I kid.

Just because she has trouble against some champions doesn't mean she isn't broken. If there's any top lane I would first pick and not give a damn about counterpicks, it would probably be Nidalee.

When you're losing your lane you have to rely on your jungle to not get completely shut down. Nidalee negates this entirely with traps and kitty W. If you aren't playing a champ that's good against Nidalee, you're probably going to be useless unless you have sick farming-under-the-tower skills while she takes your ice cream and kills your mid. It's lose-lose.

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ExceeD_DreaM Canada. April 05 2012 02:02. Posts 458

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noggnoskill, I know. I pick nidalee like 70% of the time in ranked games. She just doesn't get boring lol.
She has nothing to worry about post 6, it's all about pre6 for her, how she engages her opponent, how she avoids gank (smart junglers won't go in bush to gank where your trap will be), and how good you are with denying timing and cs. pre-nerf irelia would have been harder than now of course, but i think it was fine. You just open cloth5 vs tops that hit like a truck. Early game offense items cannot overcome early defense items. Defense is way more effective early (I learned this reading someone's guide, I think it was Mokuza or Jacksparrowww) and I agree. I also take exhaust/ignite vs really tough top to make them think twice about engaging me because they will probably die too if they engage. Something to think about because nidalee can escape really well in teamfights, so if you can do well without flash, definitely bring ignite/exhaust.

nojok France. April 05 2012 02:12. Posts 1948

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cloth + 5 no flash top is begging for early gang. Some people knows how to dodge traps. Then it even may be too late if they both have boots.

Jaso United States. April 10 2012 13:10. Posts 1505

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Question guys:

I've been playing Nidalee quite a bit recently. I normally open cloth5 and win my lane ezpz, but after that I don't do as well. Not sure if it's itemization, skilling order or what.

I normally back at 1.3k or so for Wriggles. After that my build varies; I've rushed GA (won that game, so troll lol) and gone triforce. What do you guys think are the best first 2-3 items generally?
And I'm maxing E then Q; I'm almost certain that's right but correct me if I'm wrong.

derp

Strykemard April 12 2012 11:00. Posts 101

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It depends on whether you want to go ad or ap. I always play her ap as I love those chunks the spear takes away.
In your case you can try out a hybrid build like Hextech, rab, guinsoo. That might work.

MooMooMugi United States. April 12 2012 11:17. Posts 4458

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On April 10 2012 13:10 Jaso wrote:
Question guys:

I've been playing Nidalee quite a bit recently. I normally open cloth5 and win my lane ezpz, but after that I don't do as well. Not sure if it's itemization, skilling order or what.

I normally back at 1.3k or so for Wriggles. After that my build varies; I've rushed GA (won that game, so troll lol) and gone triforce. What do you guys think are the best first 2-3 items generally?
And I'm maxing E then Q; I'm almost certain that's right but correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll answer your questions for both roles, AD or AP nidalee.

AD Nidalee:

You generally want to build Wriggles(1.3k after cloth armor) because its a solid item overall against AD opponents and it gives you sustain if you are against a champion that can come out even or ahead of trades. Doran Blades(475 each) is another option if you want the HP and damage, very good against AP. Boots are of course mandatory, you can either rush a ninja tabi which is a really cheap boot and a staple to most top laners against AD or mercury treads against AP or just stick to tier 1 boots because Nidalee has high mobility already with her Cougar pouncing. Next, you can either start building pieces for triforce, usually Phage first for the slow procs to keep you locked down on enemies or Sheen for a larger mana pool.

You want to max your E first for the AS steroid and the wave clearing in cougar form, then W, then Q.

AP NIdalee:
Most AP Nida builds start with boots 3 into either dorans for early health and mp5 or catalyst if you're going for RoA, which is terrific in the mid game. You can build a Guinsoo's Rageblade if you're going more for a hybrid style nidalee or straight into deathcap after dorans or RoA for that poke damage ASAP.

You max Q of course because of the ap scaling for the deadly poke, E second for bigger heals, and W last.

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Jaso United States. April 12 2012 12:14. Posts 1505

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Thanks for the response :D

one major problem I've encountered is laning against Vlad; in one game I was dead even with him in CS; we killed each other and bought, but once we got back to lane he easily dominated the lane. Is there any way to counter this? I suppose building wriggles in that situation was not the best choice..

derp

Strykemard April 12 2012 12:46. Posts 101

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i am assuming he would have bought revolver. thats when he is strongest. if its a sustain lane you cannot outsustain him as your mana pool is limited. However, you have more burst than he does. Every time he Q's you, you need to go on the offensive and take out as much hp as you can in kitty form. You can do outdamage his heal though he'll heal up again if you let him. If you do stay on the offensive you can stay even in hp most of the time. Dont push it and try to tower dive though as Vlad is at his strongest mid game.

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MooMooMugi United States. April 12 2012 14:16. Posts 4458

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Vladmir is a really hard matchup for AD Nidalee. You generally want to farm as much as possible because he will always outtrade you because his Q is a longer range than your autoattacks. Ask your jungler for a gank and if it is successful you should be ahead and just win the lane even with wriggles.

I just beat a Vlad with Wriggles+Mobility+3 Zeals with ghost/flash and he had heal/ghost

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ExceeD_DreaM Canada. April 12 2012 22:20. Posts 458

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What I do is, considering most of the time I get a kill or two before level 6 at top, I will have plenty of gold once I go back to town (after level 6 that is). If you started off cloth+5, I will get boots+dorans or wriggles without boots. of course I recommend farming 300 more to like 1650 to get wriggle and boots in one shot. Not that hard to do, and kill a golem or two if you pushed your lane hardcore. If you started off boots, depending on how much you pwned top, I sometimes go phage first skipping wriggles. If you go phage first, you now have large HP pool and slow (very very good around this level, it's insta death once you get onto them)

What I would do:
vs Riven/GP/Panth/Irelia/Lee Sin/Shen/Renekton/Tryn/Garen and bruiser melee heroes
Start cloth+5
Go with your all out defensive mastery and arpen+flat armor+mres+quint rune page.
Start with trap or heal. Against this match up, I recommend maxing E to level 3/4 first unless you totally pwned your opponent because they are bad. Focus on getting creeps instead of fighting them, guys like tryn, lee and renek will destroy you pre 6, so I advise abusing the brush and stay behind your creeps and farm! It could be that if your opponent is really aggressive, you will likely push your lane. Superior creep count on your side = hard time for them to jump on you. Ward the bushes always, and if they play passively just farming, even better for you, you will be safe until level 6! If you died early due to gank or failure, I would go doran and try to snowball. Definitely build wriggles vs this matchup and once you get wriggle+boots, considering you kept up in CS and didn't die, you would destroy them after 6. I would go boots vs Garen because he has no gap closer. with movespeed quint, you should be able to avoid his silence and spin combo. farm and harass ftw

vs Vladimir/Cho
Vlad is a funny match up for AD Nid. Definitely tough match up but you can take advantage early level, you will out dps him at level 1 with heal steroid. Stay in the bush and whack him a few times and stress him out staying in the bush, last hitting your creeps. I would start mres+2 pot or even regen+pot. I see no point bringing boots. Will be a very passive lane, just farm well and hit level 6. Definitely go phage+mercury, I would skip wriggles of course.
Cho is passive too cuz he won't die. But again, you can take advantage early level, so abuse that and farm well.

vs Brolaf
Depends. You could go boots to stick with speed and avoid his axe and close range skill, or armor and tank the shit. I personally dislike facing brolaf. they are so OP

but nid wins anyway

vs Everyone else
is a joke. Go boots+3 pot and harass the fuck out of them. Kennen is garbage vs nid, stay behind the creeps to prevent getting hit, and I slot movespeed quints to dodge his shurikens easily when I try to engage him. When he comes in for last hits, whack him a couple times. He takes a lot of dmg from your auto so he will have a tough time. You will mega out farm him until he gets revolver, and by this time, you finished your phage and mercury, or boots+doran+phage.

If you started cloth+5,
If you got huge early and they have mostly AD heroes with weak mid: Wriggles+Ninja Tabi+phage->700g armor->atma or FH->sheen/zeal->trinity->warmog-> situational last item. Fill the voids with doranb, its awesome on nid

If you started boots+3
If you got huge early: straight into phage->armor->finish trinity->FH/FoN->whatever.

The reason why I always go armor after phage is because after phage, sheen and zeal doesn't provide survivability (other than move speed), so nid at this point becomes quite vulnerable. Therefore, I always grab armor at this point to be more tanky, you already do insane dps 1v1 with only phage and doranb. Boots are always dependent on enemy team. Definitely go mercury if their mid got big, but if your mid won, and they are AD dependent, definitely grab ninja tabi. Its cheap, and it can be swapped out later in the game.

I would level E first vs tough top lane for survivability. However, most of the time, you will win so convincingly that you won't even use up your pots. Even vs tough opponents such as panth, if you prevailed, I level Q quickly because Q is your ticket to the rape train post 6. Also, when they run away to tower with no hp, spearing to last hit is nice, and leveling Q guarantees a kill. Always remember to move away from your spear just like you do with Enchantress in dota!

If you are blue side, try to steal their red once in a while. Nidalee is truly OP. Also, it doesn't get any boring. As long as your team doesn't mess up, you should win top convincingly. I only played about 50 ranked games but my top nidalee is around 80% win (5% me losing to renekton/lee and 15% bot feeding). Also, nid is OP late game too, i don't get people saying otherwise. You will be seeing plenty of 15-1 or 17-3 scores. GL everyone with nidalee!

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Sven Stryker United States. April 14 2012 03:24. Posts 187

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What's the consensus on runes for AD and AP Nidalee these days? I figured Apen Reds, Armor yellows, MR blues, and Apen Quints for both since Shake suggested it a year ago for AP Nid, and it makes sense for AD Nid. Someone was telling me recently that top AD Nid should run AD Reds and Quints like a bot AD carry though.

barbsq United States. April 14 2012 03:36. Posts 3036

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On April 14 2012 03:24 Sven Stryker wrote:
What's the consensus on runes for AD and AP Nidalee these days? I figured Apen Reds, Armor yellows, MR blues, and Apen Quints for both since Shake suggested it a year ago for AP Nid, and it makes sense for AD Nid. Someone was telling me recently that top AD Nid should run AD Reds and Quints like a bot AD carry though.

the old apen red/quint build has largely been replaced by hybrid ad/apen setups or just full AD.

edit: that said, on top lane nid i just spam defensive crap like either full armor or full mres page or something equally retarded.

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noda0001 United States. April 14 2012 17:01. Posts 11

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On November 06 2010 09:25 shawster wrote:
i've discovered my new nidalee playstyle

sheen spirit visage hog -> trinity -> banshee/ga/randuins

so fucking good lmao you hit like a truck and you're unkillable. you don't have as much atk speed to kill towers but sheen does fine. only downside is how much ur auto attack sucks.

what is your skill tree?

R > E > Q > W ?

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MooMooMugi United States. April 14 2012 23:12. Posts 4458

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On April 14 2012 17:01 noda0001 wrote:

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what is your skill tree?

R > E > Q > W ?

For that specific build yeah you should max E first because you want to abuse the spirit visage health regen bonus, and either Q if you want more poke damage and more damage on your executioner ability or W if you want a little faster creep clearing.

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nyxnyxnyx Indonesia. April 15 2012 00:12. Posts 1152

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vs vlad:

boots into dorans/wriggles into wits end.

cool beans

MooMooMugi United States. April 16 2012 05:06. Posts 4458

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Eh I wouldnt build wits end on AD Nidalee, she doesnt really use her autoattacks that much in cougar, its mostly spamming her cougar abilities for burst. Hexdrinker can be viable vs a double AP comp though

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Hexaflex United Kingdom. April 16 2012 20:58. Posts 68

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Just FYI fellow Nid players, I don't think catform abilities rank up as you level your Q, W or E. Instead they rank up as you level R, so at 11 your catform abilities go to rank 2 for example. This means you should only look at your human spells when thinking about what abilities to level first.

Nidalee Abilities <- notice the catform abilities only have 3 seperate damage ranks ie. they level up with R.

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MooMooMugi United States. April 17 2012 00:51. Posts 4458

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Oh wow I didn't know that about Nidalee and I've played her for about 20-30 games already XD
Thats interesting, so theres no real reason not to max E on AD nida and Q on AP nida first. Tyty

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