| VashTS United States. August 02 2012 13:12. Posts 1537 | Profile # |
I played vs 2 Irelia's recently and stomped them both, both times with very little jungle plays. I won both handily.
Also played vs 1 Darius. Didn't think there was any champ who could zone Darius out of CS, I was impressed! |
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| Amui Canada. August 02 2012 14:25. Posts 3121 | Profile Blog # |
On August 02 2012 12:42 bobbob wrote:
All you do is save consume for the sustain ghoul. Then he just doesnt sustain enough.
He doesn't sustain enough, but when he's sitting under tower, it takes quite a while for the snowball vs healing ghoul to dps him down, even eating the ghoul =( |
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| cLutZ United States. August 02 2012 14:31. Posts 2887 | Profile # |
| Isn't farming equally against nunu a win for vlad? I haven't faced one yet, but I wouldn't pick nunu against him. Even when I've romped in lane I don't feel that much like superman (just super-support man). Its still a win, ofc because you either force a jungle camp, or lategame is a 4v5. Doing something wrong or working as intended? Last edit: 2012-08-02 14:33:18 |
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| Mogwai United States. August 02 2012 14:40. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
all things considered, vlad is overpowered as shit and should be removed from the game, the end
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| TwoToneTerran United States. August 02 2012 14:47. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
| Fuck the entire concept of manaless champs, imo. |
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| Simberto Germany. August 02 2012 17:29. Posts 2563 | Profile Blog # |
On August 02 2012 06:30 Requizen wrote:
GP sounds like it'd be a deadlock lane. You both have speed, he'll orange your snowball, you'll consume his Qs. Nunu should win by GP running oom first, though.
Also, his oranges have a far longer cd then your e, so even if he oranges the first e, that gives you a 15 second window where he can't orange it again. I think it should be possible to zone him pretty hard just by throwing snowballs at him whenever he comes close to cs, and you don't really ever have to commit to a fight unless you want to, even if he oranges a snowball and directly runs at you, he should not even reach you before snowball comes off cd again. So in the worst case scenario you will get hit by a q, which you should simply be able to shrug off by eating stuff. He can never force a fight onto you, and you outsustain his harass, while he can't outsustain yours if he wants to cs and thus gets lots of snowballs to his face. |
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| Alaric France. August 02 2012 17:48. Posts 8731 | Profile # |
| Depends. You have to cs too, you're melee, and he'll have his E for passive MS boost. Well, you've got BB, but how do you use it? I tend to only use it when they become hard to catch (hi Teemo) or I know I'll get ganked often, so I don't have the perma-MS buff. |
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| StateAlchemist France. August 02 2012 18:29. Posts 1207 | Profile # |
| I tried this yesterday, totaly stomped darius in lane. Nunu's sustain is broken (°° ) |
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| Offhand United States. August 02 2012 22:19. Posts 1724 | Profile # |
On August 02 2012 12:16 Amui wrote:
Laning against Yorick is pretty funny. You outsustain him, but dps on both sides is pretty low. He bought chalice first though, which delayed the inevitable getting pushed out of lane. Took me ages to run him out of mana, even when spamming everything on CD.
Doesn't Yorick get 2-3 sustain ghouls in the time consume is on cooldown? I mean, if you do it perfectly, eating every third ghoul is a big hit to his sustain, but it doesn't stop him. |
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| sylverfyre United States. August 02 2012 22:32. Posts 4129 | Profile # |
On August 02 2012 22:19 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 12:16 Amui wrote:
Laning against Yorick is pretty funny. You outsustain him, but dps on both sides is pretty low. He bought chalice first though, which delayed the inevitable getting pushed out of lane. Took me ages to run him out of mana, even when spamming everything on CD.
Doesn't Yorick get 2-3 sustain ghouls in the time consume is on cooldown? I mean, if you do it perfectly, eating every third ghoul is a big hit to his sustain, but it doesn't stop him.
At low levels it's 16 vs 10. But consume gets -2sec per level, Omen only gets -1 sec per level. Even at the start he only gets 1 sustain ghoul while consume is on CD, and by the time you have a few points into Q, he only gets that if the timing is just right and he uses it immediately. |
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| Alaric France. August 02 2012 23:39. Posts 8731 | Profile # |
| He maxes E first and you only level consume second, though. So you're at around 14s until level 8 (or 12.5 if you skip BB). |
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| barbsq United States. August 03 2012 00:13. Posts 3038 | Profile # |
On August 02 2012 23:39 Alaric wrote:
He maxes E first and you only level consume second, though. So you're at around 14s until level 8 (or 12.5 if you skip BB).
Pretty sure in the majority of matchups you want to skip bloodboil until lvl 8. There are a couple where the movespeed seems really key (watching smash play vs cho top made me think bloodboil @ 4 is really good in that matchup), but I think for the most part it's unnecessary. |
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| sylverfyre United States. August 03 2012 00:38. Posts 4129 | Profile # |
On August 03 2012 00:13 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 23:39 Alaric wrote:
He maxes E first and you only level consume second, though. So you're at around 14s until level 8 (or 12.5 if you skip BB).
Pretty sure in the majority of matchups you want to skip bloodboil until lvl 8. There are a couple where the movespeed seems really key (watching smash play vs cho top made me think bloodboil @ 4 is really good in that matchup), but I think for the most part it's unnecessary.
You're also opening 10% CDR, so like 11sec at level 4. That's not that bad vs his 9sec E CD at that level. You should be able to kite the ghoul (it's going to chase you around if you're visible) or dive into the bush (they nerfed its sustain from attacking minions) if consume is down. Just don't leave it whacking you when you're going for serious trades, and don't let him hit you with E without snowballing him.
Besides, even if the lane is a draw or a slight win for Yorick (i don't see how it could be a major win for yorick even with jungle involvement unless you're playing really badly - he should seriously be doing nearly no damage to you in lane that you can't nom off) Yorick is so useless in later teamfights because he makes you heal for like 900 every 5 seconds. And if you nom his ult and the clone zombie dies (let's say it's a 1.5k hp ad carry... nom + snowball is most of that.) then no res will happen for his ult target. |
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| sylverfyre United States. August 03 2012 00:39. Posts 4129 | Profile # |
On August 03 2012 00:13 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 23:39 Alaric wrote:
He maxes E first and you only level consume second, though. So you're at around 14s until level 8 (or 12.5 if you skip BB).
Pretty sure in the majority of matchups you want to skip bloodboil until lvl 8. There are a couple where the movespeed seems really key (watching smash play vs cho top made me think bloodboil @ 4 is really good in that matchup), but I think for the most part it's unnecessary.
You're also opening 10% CDR, so like 11sec at level 4. That's not that bad vs his 9sec E CD at that level. You should be able to kite the ghoul (it's going to chase you around if you're visible) or dive into the bush (they nerfed its sustain from attacking minions) if consume is down. Just don't leave it whacking you when you're going for serious trades, and don't let him hit you with E without snowballing him.
Besides, even if the lane is a draw or a slight win for Yorick (i don't see how it could be a major win for yorick even with jungle involvement unless you're playing really badly - he should seriously be doing nearly no damage to you in lane that you can't nom off) Yorick is so useless in later teamfights because he makes you heal for like 900 every 5 seconds. REDACTEDLast edit: 2012-08-03 02:35:42 |
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| Mogwai United States. August 03 2012 00:45. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
On August 03 2012 00:38 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 00:13 barbsq wrote:
On August 02 2012 23:39 Alaric wrote:
He maxes E first and you only level consume second, though. So you're at around 14s until level 8 (or 12.5 if you skip BB).
Pretty sure in the majority of matchups you want to skip bloodboil until lvl 8. There are a couple where the movespeed seems really key (watching smash play vs cho top made me think bloodboil @ 4 is really good in that matchup), but I think for the most part it's unnecessary.
You're also opening 10% CDR, so like 11sec at level 4. That's not that bad vs his 9sec E CD at that level. You should be able to kite the ghoul (it's going to chase you around if you're visible) or dive into the bush (they nerfed its sustain from attacking minions) if consume is down. Just don't leave it whacking you when you're going for serious trades, and don't let him hit you with E without snowballing him. Besides, even if the lane is a draw or a slight win for Yorick (i don't see how it could be a major win for yorick even with jungle involvement unless you're playing really badly - he should seriously be doing nearly no damage to you in lane that you can't nom off) Yorick is so useless in later teamfights because he makes you heal for like 900 every 5 seconds. And if you nom his ult and the clone zombie dies (let's say it's a 1.5k hp ad carry... nom + snowball is most of that.) then no res will happen for his ult target.
oh please, you can't nom his ult. |
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| BlackPaladin United States. August 03 2012 00:55. Posts 3636 | Profile # |
| Yorick ult is considered a champion. |
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| Alaric France. August 03 2012 01:05. Posts 8731 | Profile # |
| Also my numbers included the cdr from Smash's build, sorry I didn't make it clear. So it's not 11s but 14.4s at level 1, and 12.6s at level 2. |
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| nosliw United States. August 03 2012 01:57. Posts 1823 | Profile Blog # |
| nunu vs zyra? Nom plants and EQ to win mid lane? |
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| barbsq United States. August 03 2012 02:11. Posts 3038 | Profile # |
On August 03 2012 01:57 nosliw wrote:
nunu vs zyra? Nom plants and EQ to win mid lane?
dunno, again, I watched smash on this one (so he prob has a better answer), but it looked like the slow on the melee plants + some misjudgment of zyra's damage looked like a real problem. Plus it's very easy for zyra to put up 2 plants at any given time, and I think noms don't actually kill the plants in 1 go (at least early on). |
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| Mogwai United States. August 03 2012 02:34. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
On August 03 2012 02:11 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 01:57 nosliw wrote:
nunu vs zyra? Nom plants and EQ to win mid lane?
dunno, again, I watched smash on this one (so he prob has a better answer), but it looked like the slow on the melee plants + some misjudgment of zyra's damage looked like a real problem. Plus it's very easy for zyra to put up 2 plants at any given time, and I think noms don't actually kill the plants in 1 go (at least early on).
noms always take 2 bars from zyra's plants, so you still need to attack to kill them. BBing yourself and running around like an idiot made the matchup really easy, but when I tried to just trade and eat her damage, I ended up behind. It is really easy to dodge all her shit if your BBed though, so once I figured that out, it was EZPZ. |
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