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| TheToast United States. December 05 2010 12:26. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
TL forums have seen their share of threads asking individual questions about mice or looking for recommendations. The purpose of this thread is to create one central location on TL for all information, discussion, and recommendations about mice. In this thread I have compiled a list of popular gaming mice with their technical specifications and prices, explanation of certain technical aspects and some of my own opinions on the subject, as well as listing some other good mouse threads from TL. I will continue to add to the OP recommendations and reviews posted in this thread by fellow TL members. If there is anything additional you would like to see added or if you want to contribute to the OP, please PM me.
Important, Please Read:
If you are requesting information in this thread, make sure you've checked out the Mice Info, Specs, & Reviews section in the OP; as it probably contains at least some of the information you're looking for. If you have a technical question, please take a look at the Technical Guides section first as it may answer your question.
If you're asking for a mouse recommendation please copy and paste the questions in the below spoiler into your reply, failure to do so may mean your request does not receive a prompt or accurate response.
+ Show Spoiler [Mouse Recommendation Request Questions] +Originally by F u r u y a: To prospective buyers, please list at least the top 1-2 attributes you're looking for in a mouse. Additionally, answer the below questions to the best of your abilities. The more detailed you are, the better we can find a mouse that suits your needs. 1. What's your grip style?palm, claw, fingertip, or some hybrid2. What's your sensitivity?low, medium, or high (distance/360º rotation)3. What's your maximum budget?4. Do you want additional buttons?5. What games do you play?6. Do you mind angle snapping?7. Other relevant information:Input anything else you want.
some examples: LOD, ambidextrous shape, weight, wireless, non-braided cord, glossy finish, button activation force, driverless, onboard memory, etc...If you are unsure of what some of these questions are asking, please refer to the Purchasing Guide, Razer Ergonomics Guide, and An Overview of Mouse Techonology for clarification.
Purchasing a new gaming mouse? Here are some guides to help you get started:
Purchasing Guides
Looking to buy a new gaming mouse but having trouble trying to figure out where to start? Here are a couple guides that provide a good place to start with some tips for things to look for in a mouse.
+ Show Spoiler [Mouse Purchasing Guides] +Simple FAQ and Guide to Finding the Right Mouse by TheToast + Show Spoiler +Where to Begin?So many threads have been created asking “what is the best mouse”. The answer to this question is that there isn’t one. Choosing the "right mouse" is all based on personal preference. The market is filled with dozens of options, each with it's own design, features, and even gimmicks. But don't believe that to play games competently one must spend a lot of money on a fancy mouse. Gaming mice can offer a lot of benefits such as extra buttons, higher DPI, and ergonomic designs specifically targeted at gamers. While a higher DPI may make scrolling feel smoother and faster, and a good ergonomic design may help reduce hand fatigue, don’t think that purchasing a $100+ mouse is instantly going to bump you from bronze to diamond You have to find the mouse that is right for you and fits your budget and your needs as a gamer. But where to start? Here are some basic things that you want to consider when purchacing a new mouse: DesignThe most important thing to consider when purchasing a mouse is its design. I doesn't matter how high the DPI is, or how many programmable buttons is has, if the mouse doesn’t feel comfortable in your hand then it is not the mouse for you. Popular designs include ambidextrous, (symmetrical on either side usually with an elliptical shape.) right or left handed ergonomic designs, or other designs specifically created to be comfortable gaming mice. If you are unsure of what you feel most comfortable with, go to your favorite electronics store and try some out and find what design feels natural for you. Each of us has different sized hands, different gaming grips, and different styles of gaming; so you really have to find out what is right for you. If you are a small handed gamer, there is a good TL thread Here about the best small gaming mice ![[image loading]](http://drh1.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Company/razerusa/images/product/thumbnail/abyssus-thumb200.gif ) Razer Abyssus, a typical ambidextrous design. ![[image loading]](http://www.logitech.com/assets/15994/15994.png) Logitech G500, ergonomic style mouse. Wireless versus CordedMany gamers often write off the option of purchasing a wireless mouse, and with good reasons. For starters wireless mice are heavier than corded mice, if you are someone like me who enjoys a light maneuverable mouse, wireless will likely be off your list from the beginning. Other issues with wireless devices include objects such as metal desks (especially), or large distance between the receiver and mouse causing lag or loss of signal. Usually bluetooth devices have less issues than wireless mice, and placing your wireless receiver closer to the mouse can usually solve such issues, but it is still something to be aware of. Some mice suffer from these problems more than others, and reading a good review before purchasing can help you avoid buying a mouse plagued with signal issues. Constantly replacing batteries every few months can become tedious as well as very expensive. If you do go wireless be sure to stock up on batteries, I’ve seen some of Microsoft’s mice abruptly stop transmitting due to low batteries without much warning; something you don’t want to happen in the middle of an important match. Also be aware that Bluetooth devices can eat batteries fairly quickly. There can be some positives to purchasing a wireless mouse. For starters, if you game extensively on the go with your laptop, a wireless mouse can be an incredibly useful accessory. Having gamed for years on a laptop with a corded mouse, I can tell you that constantly untangling wires every time I go to a LAN party gets old fast. Also if you have a “jungle” of cords behind your desk like me, owning a wireless mouse can be a great solution to tugging and pulling every time you get hung up. There is a discussion thread about wireless versus corded peripherals Here as well. Razer has a guide to mouse ergonomics; including complete descriptions of many different grip styles as well as recommendations of which Razer products best suit each grip style. Link Is Here
Technical Guides Updated!
Not sure what DPI is? Unsure how important polling rate is? Here are a few write-ups that should help you make sence of the technical specifications of a mouse.
+ Show Spoiler [Technical Guides] +An Overview of Mouse Technology by wo1fwood New Guide!One of the most comprehensive mouse technical guides ever written. Great explanations of everything from Mouse sensors to polling rate and angle snapping. A must read guide for anyone looking for technical information about mice.Link is here. Explanation of DPI/CPI by TheToast + Show Spoiler +
CPI/DPI
One of the most important technical specs to look at when buying a mouse is DPI/CPI, it essentially defines the sensitivity and speed of the sensor. The correct term for this aspect is actually CPI, or counts per inch. DPI, or dots per inch, is a term that refers to printing resolution which has been incorrectly associated with mice. DPI is now used by most mouse manufacturers to refer to the counts per inch of their sensors. Both terms refer to exactly the same thing and are often used interchangably.
The DPI/CPI of a mouse roughly correspond to the amount of pixels the cursor will move when the mouse is moved one inch. The higher the DPI, the quicker the cursor will move across the screen when the mouse is moved. DPI is related to the FPS (frames per second) as well as the internal memory and speed of the sensor. However, in general, the higher the FPS of a mouse, the higher the DPI.
Basically a higher DPI is going to give you faster cursor speed without sacrificing any precision. When you turn up the sensitivity in Windows or in games, this increases the speed of the cursor but reduces the accuracy of the mouse. Increasing the sensitivity this way causes Windows or the game to take the number of pixels the cursor should have moved and multiply it. This has the effect of making it so there are certain columns of pixels on the screen that the mouse cursor is unable to land on. For example if you multiply any whole number by two, you'll never get an odd number. Same principle applies for mouse sensitivity. The only way to change cursor speed without affecting the precision is to modify the DPI of the mouse; this is why most mice on the market include "on the fly" DPI switching, usually via a button on the top of the mouse that switches between several set DPIs. Other mice like the Steel Series Xai can be setup with several different custom"profiles" that the user can switch between. Most gamers tend to prefer lower DPI for first person shooter games and higher DPI for RTS and Moba games, though this is subject to personal preference.
Because DPI is based on pixles, monitor resolution also plays a role in the sensitivity of a mouse. A 1000DPI mouse will roughly move the cursor 1000 pixles across the screen when the mouse is moved one inch. On a monitor running 1024x768 resolution, moving the mouse 1 inch horizontally will essentially move the mouse from one side of the screen to the other. On a 1920x1080 monitor, the cursor would move only about halfway across when the mouse is moved 1 inch. This means the higher the resolution of the monitor, the slower the mouse cursor will move.
It should be noted however, that for most gamers using single monitors with resolutions of 1920x1080 or less, more than 2500 DPI is probably not required and would likely make most games difficult to control. Though if the setup includes mutiple high resolution monitors, or is setup with a very large resolution display vision; a mouse with a DPI higher than 2500 may be beneficial--though it still depends on the preferences of the user.
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Below I’ve collected a list of popular gaming mice on the market today with their respective DPI and price, organized by manufacturer. I’ve also included links to good reviews and any TL threads that I could find discussing the mice, as well as feedback and opinions from TL users. A good resource if you are unfamiliar with what's on the market.
Razer
+ Show Spoiler +Razer Mice Razer Abyssus Type: Ambidextrous Price: $49.99 Max DPI: 3500 Review: CNET+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] + 3500dpi Razer Precision™ 3.5G infrared sensor 1000Hz Ultrapolling™ / 1ms response time Mechanical dpi/polling rate switches On-The-Fly Sensitivity™ adjustment No Drift Control Always-On™ mode Ultra-large non-slip buttons 16-bit ultra-wide data path 60-120 inches per second and 15g of acceleration Three independently programmable Hyperesponse™ buttons Scroll wheel with 24 individual click positions Zero-acoustic Ultraslick™ mouse feet Seven-foot, lightweight, non-tangle cord Approximate Size : 115 mm / 4.53” (Length) x 63 mm / 2.48” (Width) x 40 mm / 1.58” (Height) Approximate Weight: 72 g / 0.16 lbs + Show Spoiler [Image] +
On January 04 2012 15:26 Shikyo wrote:
Well My salmosa lasted me 2 years and still has no problems and I replaced it with Abyssus, Abyssus works fine as well but it has some problems, namely the LED not turning off and also the scrolling wheel reseting on every startup(fixed this problem by uninstalling the drivers).
Both mice feel great though and especially the abyssus feels perfect for me. The salmosa had a squeaky right click for a while but after some use it went away.
Build quality isn't great but the mice still feel really nice. Would pick them over Sensei or somesuch any day.
On January 28 2012 00:38 Demicore wrote:
I looked at Razer's current lineup of mice and found that its only small and light mouse seemed to be the Abyssus. I first went for the "mirror edition", the one with a glossy finish, since I'm easily impressed by shiny things. I could not stand it.
Nearly everything about it was perfect. It glided well; it was the first time I ever tried a mouse that could go over 1800 dpi so setting it to 3200 dpi and then lowering the sensitivity for better precision was a rather exhilarating feeling, and the buttons were easy to push and responsive. Unfortunately, the "glossy" finish made it sticky and the mouse quickly began to feel hot in my hand after holding for just a few minutes. Also, the razer software was buggy; it automatically increased the number of lines each scroll wheel increment scrolled through on each windows startup (3 became 10, and if you left it that way 10 became 30...), an issue a quick google search will tell you is shared by many users. This is a minor point, however, as the Razer software is not necessary for optimal usage of the mouse.
Since the glossy plastic seemed to be the only problem with the mirror Abyssus, I thought the standard one would be perfect for me, but that was not the case. Once again, everything about it was excellent, except this time the buttons turned out to be very stiff. By that, I mean you have to apply quite a bit of pressure for them to register your command, which quickly becomes annoying.
On February 02 2012 00:57 Psychobabas wrote:
What a great thread, with so much information!
Razer Abyssus feedback after using it for 1 year:
Simply put, I would never change my mouse unless it's discontinued somehow. The mouse is perfect for my fingertip grip. The glide is great, the precision is really nice, especially with 1000hz polling. Overall a very simple, no-fuss, no-nonsense mouse. Does exactly what it says on the tin. And to top it off, it's pretty cheap compared to the rest of the market.
I'm trying to think hard on how to improve the mouse, and maybe if the sides of the mouse would be covered by that non-slip surface that the buttons have, it would have been the ultimate mouse. Another very minor problem is that sometimes, if I switch between 125hz and 1000hz, the mouse freezes and it has once or twice caused a system restart as well. But this only happened during that switch and the frequency would be like 10%.
Overall, 9/10 (for comparison reasons, I would give the Steelseries Kinzu a 5/10)
Currently playing on 1600 dpi, 7/10 sensitivity on the Razer drivers, 1000hz polling rate. Using a Razer Vespula mousepad.
Ergonomic Price: $59.99 Max DPI: 3500 Review: CNET Gizmodo TL Thread + Show Spoiler [Full Specs] + 3500dpi Razer Precision 3.5G infrared sensor Ergonomic right-handed design 1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response Five independently programmable Hyperesponse buttons On-The-Fly Sensitivity adjustment Always-On mode Ultra-large non-slip buttons 16-bit ultra-wide data path 60–120 inches per second and 15g of acceleration Zero-acoustic Ultraslick mouse feet Gold-plated USB connector Seven-Foot, lightweight, braided fiber cable Approximate Size : 127 mm / 5.00” (Length) x 70 mm / 2.76” (Width) x 44 mm / 1.73” (Height) Approximate Weight: 148 g / 0.33 lbs + Show Spoiler [Image] +
On January 12 2012 01:11 mTwTT1 wrote:
loving my da and this is coming from someone whos used a logitech g9x(being the idiot that i am i didnt know that that mouse wasnt ment for palm grip user), a g400, a lachesis, a zowie ec2 and a xai
easily one of the best palm grip mice on the market atm, at a reasonable price on top of that
On February 13 2012 21:45 .Natsu wrote:
I used to have a Deathadder and was happy with it but it only lasted 8 months, so I advise against Razer mice unless you don't mind running the risk of having to replace them every few months. I switched to Logitech G400 and found it very similar in the way it feels and the fact that it doesn't use drivers is also great. As it stands, I don't see any disadvantage of the relatively cheap G400 compared to other more expensive mice of the same type.
Ergonomic Price: $79.99 Max DPI: 5600 Review: Gizmodo+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +6400dpi 4G Dual Sensor System Rubberized contoured thumb grip for added control Ergonomic right-handed design Adjustable side buttons Razer Synapse Onboard Memory Up to 200 inches per second* /50g acceleration Seven independently programmable Hyperesponse buttons On-the-Fly Sensitivity adjustment Zero-acoustic Ultraslick mouse feet Approximate Size : 123 mm / 4.85” (Length) x 70 mm / 2.76” (Width) x 43 mm / 1.69” (Height) Approximate Weight: 139 g / 0.31 lbs + Show Spoiler [Image] +
On February 06 2012 08:12 Demicore wrote:
I got my hands on a Razer Imperator 2012. If anyone remembers, I've recently tried the Razer Abyssus and the Logitech G300 because I like small and light mice. Unfortunately this kind of mouse also often corresponds to the lower end offerings of most manufacturers, it seems, with most of the bells and whistles going to the bigger, 'ergonomic' kind of mice. I wanted to try a high-end mouse that could still fit a fingertip grip, and I can tell you that my experience with the Imperator 2012 is quite excellent.
It is larger than the aforementioned mice and a bit heavier too (although not much more than the G300), but as soon as you put your hand on it it really feels like a high end mouse. The texture of the plastic is very pleasant on all sides and the buttons are easy to push and extremely responsive. The feet glide perfectly and the tracking is extremely precise. I have only praise for this mouse.
I have heard of some issues with the sensor in the past, and I wonder if it could have to do with the way the mouse 'calibrates'. It has two sensors -an optical one and a laser one. Upon plugging it in, the optical sensor scans the surface it is lying on in order to calibrate the laser sensor for better precision. Therefore you must make sure to have the mouse on your mousepad when you plug it in. I'm sorry if I'm stating the obvious but I certainly failed to do that the first time around and had issues because of it.
Overall I would recommend this mouse even to fellow fingertip grip users, it is formidable.
On February 06 2012 11:39 rebdomine wrote:
Glad to see some other people here who liked the 4G Imperator.
I have one, and while the tracking isn't as lovely as on my Deathadder. I find the form factor of the Imperator to be my favorite of all the mice I've tried.
Ergonomic Price: $79.99 Max DPI: 6400 Review: CNET+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +5600dpi Razer Precision 3.5G laser sensor Adjustable Multi-Color LED (Up to 16 million colors) Variable true dpi setting adjustments in increments of 125dpi 60KB Razer Synapse onboard memory Nine independently programmable Hyperesponse buttons 1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response time Tracking up to 200 inches per second Seven-foot, lightweight, non-tangle cord Approximate Size : 129 mm / 5.08” (Length) x 71 mm / 2.80” (Width) x 40 mm / 1.58” (Height) Approximate Weight: 128 g / 0.28 lbs Scroll wheel with 24 individual click positions Zero-acoustic Ultraslick mouse feetGold-plated USB connector On-The-Fly Sensitivity adjustment No Drift Control + Show Spoiler [Image] + Ergonomic Price: $79.99 Max DPI: 5600 Review: CNET+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +17 Fully-programmable MMO-optimized buttons (including 12 button thumb grid) Wired/Wireless dual mode capability 3 Interchangeable side panels Charging dock (also functions as a wireless receiver unit) Unlimited character profiles with AddOns Optional MMO-specific software AddOns 16 million color backlight illumination 5600dpi Razer Precision 3.5G Laser Sensor 1000Hz Ultrapolling™ / 1ms response time Approximate Size : 116 mm / 4.57” (Length) x 78 mm / 3.07” (Width) x 42 mm / 1.65” (Height) Approximate Weight: 134 g / 0.30 lbs Battery Life: 12hrs (continuous use); 72 hours (normal gaming usage) + Show Spoiler [Image] +
On February 23 2012 07:54 Blasterion wrote:
I personally use a Razer naga. The reason for it is the amount of high dpi. I play @ 5600 dpi with maxinum mouse sensitivity and max mouse speed. The reason I use the naga is simple. My hands are pretty small. the Cellphone pad allows me to use more control groups than I would normally be able to use. also the size of the naga is unexpectedly very small. It's about a circle smaller than the death adder. The grip shape also feels very natural. It's just an overall very good mouse with alot of options.
Ergonomic, Dual Corded/Wireless capability Price: $79.99 Max DPI: 2000 Review: CNET+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Razer Precision 3G Laser sensor Tracking up to 100 inches per second Ambidextrous designRazer Synapse On-board Memory On-The-Fly Sensitivity adjustment Zero-acoustic Ultraslick mouse feet Gold-plated USB connector Powered by 2 AA batteries Approximate Size : 99 mm / 3.90” (Length) x 67 mm / 2.64” (Width) x 35 mm / 1.38” (Height) Approximate Weight: 68 g / 0.15 lbs Wireless Mode Gaming optimized Bluetooth® 2.0 connectivity Up to 2000DPI sensitivity 125Hz polling/ 8ms response Powered by 2 AA batteries High performance batteries are recommended for longer battery life To conserve power, switch off the Razer Orochi when not in use Wired ModeDetachable three foot, lightweight, braided micro-USB cord Up to 4000DPI sensitivity 1000Hz Ultrapolling/ 1ms response + Show Spoiler [Image] + Ergonomic, Dual Corded/Wireless capability Price: $119.99 Max DPI: 5600 Review: CNET Gizmodo+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Gaming Grade Wireless Technology Dual Mode Wired/Wireless Functionality Razer Synapse On-board Memory Seven independently programmable Hyperesponse buttons 5600DPI Razer Precision 3.5G Laser sensor 1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response rate Up to 200 inches per second*/ 50g acceleration Approximate size: 128mm x 70mm x 42.5mm Battery Life: up to 14hrs (continuous gaming); 72 hours (normal gaming usage) + Show Spoiler [Image] + "SC2 Mouse" Type: Ambidextrous Price: $79.99 Max DPI: 5600 Review: Itazy' Review on TL CNET UK+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Lightweight, Fingertip-Grip 5 Button Mouse 5600 DPI Laser Sensor Ultrapolling (1000Hz Polling / 1ms Response) APM-Lighting System Button Force Adjustment Always-On Mode Ultra-large Non-slip Buttons 16-bit Ultra-wide Data Path 200 Inches per Second and 50g of Acceleration Zero-acoustic Ultraslick mouse feetGold-plated USB Connector Braided 7 Foot USB Cable Approximate Size : 100 mm / 3.94” (Length) x 66 mm / 2.60” (Width) x 37 mm / 1.45” (Height) Approximate Weight : 121 g / 0.26 lbs + Show Spoiler [Image] +There is also an entire TL thread on Razer’s SC2 line of products Here. Razer Mouse Site
Steel Series
+ Show Spoiler +Steel Series MiceSteel Series Kinzu Type: Ambidextrous Price: $35 on Amazon Max DPI: 3200 Review: CNET Australia TL Thread+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Frames per second: 9.375 Inches per second: 50 Mega pixels per second: 3.75 Counts per inch: 400 – 3,200 Maximum acceleration: 20 G Sensor data path: True 16 bit Lift distance: ~2 mm Maximum polling: 1,000 Hz Weight: 0.2 lbs (77 grams) Height: 1.4 in (36 mm) Width: 2.5 in (64 mm) Length: 4.6 in (117 mm) + Show Spoiler [Image] + Ambidextrous Price: $49.99 Max DPI: 3200 Review: Hardware Heaven+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Frames per second: 3600 Inches per second: 130 Mega pixels per second: 3.7 Counts per inch: 400 – 3200 Maximum acceleration: 30 G Sensor data path: True 16 bit Lift distance: ~2 mm Maximum polling: 1000 Hz Weight: 72 grams (0.16 lbs) Height: 37 mm (1.5 in) Width: 64 mm (2.5 in) Length: 124 mm (4.9 in) + Show Spoiler [Image] +
On January 11 2012 06:56 Neurosis wrote:Here is a detailed discussion on the Kana and all the problems it has. http://www.overclock.net/t/1183274/kinzu-v2-kinzu-v2-pro-and-kana/550I just received mine today (wish I had read that thread before ordering it) and it's going back to the store asap. I use 1600 dpi on my mx518 and that setting on the kana has horrible tracking (far sloppier than my forever old mx518 even....). The jump bug occurs on all dpi settings and it happens quite frequently. You absolutely will notice it when boxing workers at the start of sc2 and I can see it causing many misplaced depots/pylons/whatever lol. The feet are indeed plastic instead of teflon, so if you use a cloth pad like myself then there will be some heavy resistance. I find the mouse incredibly comfortable and if all of these problems didn't exist then I would love it, but honestly terrible tracking and a horrendous jump bug are unacceptable in a gaming mouse.
On January 16 2012 23:38 lisward wrote:
Kana's good to go except for the shitty plastic feet. The sensor issues have been fixed, I think that the reports of the sensor issues are from people who bought the earlier batch, if you notice from the reports on overclock.net they bought the Kana pre-release, so it was probably the beta build, because according to a lot of people who bought the mouse after it released from bigger retailers they didn't have the mouse jump bug. I own a kana and I don't have the mouse jump bug as well.
On February 09 2012 02:20 mTwTT1 wrote:
so i just received my kana, the only downside to the mouse is that its super light so whenever i drag a box in sc2 the mouse keeps lifting off my pad, its super annoying
does anyone know of any good mouse feet that would help reduce this problem?
edit: and the side buttons sides are EXTREMELY annoying, my finger always hits it and theres a hold between the button and the area where ur supposed to rest ur thumb on
Ambidextrous Price: $79.99 Max DPI: 3200 Review: IGN+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Samples per second: 40.000 Inches per second: 50 Mega pixels per second: XX Counts per inch: 1 – 3.200 Maximum acceleration: 20 G Sensor data path: True 16 bit Lift distance: ~1,8 mm Maximum polling: 1.000 Hz Weight: 98 grams (0.22 lbs) Height: 38,7 mm (1.5 in) Width: 68,3 mm (2.7 in) Length: 125,5 (4.9 in) + Show Spoiler [Image] + Ambidextrous Price: $89.99 Max DPI: 11,400 Review: CNET Australia+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Weight: 102 grams (0.22 lbs) Height: 38,7 mm (1.5 in) Width: 68,3 mm (2.7 in) Length: 125,5 mm (4.9 in) Default CPI range: 1 to 5,700 CPI. Double CPI range: 5701 to 11,400 CPI Adjustable lift off distance Adjustable "path correction" (drift control) + Show Spoiler [Image] +
On December 25 2011 09:54 Daray wrote:
I've had Sensei for a couple of days now and i have to say im not that impressed. First of all apparently a lot of people have serious problem with upgrading to 1.13v or whatever... the mouse gets stuck in the "upgrading" mode and you have to manually locate a upgrade fix tool.exe to fix it. Secondly no one needs this kind of precision what the mouse provides with the highest settings. It's just impossible to control and most people use lower sensitivities anyways. Maybe im not used to it but the mouse doesn't feel as accurate as my old mx518. I think i have to do some serious testing with the software, sadly i only have razer goliathus to test the mouse on atm. I dont' personally like the mouse buttons and they feel like they could break easily.
Ambidextrous Price: $90 Max DPI: 5001 Review: Gizmodo TL Thread+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Frames per second: 12,000 Inches per second: 150+ Mega pixels per second: 10.8 Counts per inch: 5,001 Maximum acceleration: 30 G Sensor data path: True 16 bit Lift distance: ~1mm Maximum polling: 1,000 Hz Weight: 0.22 lbs (98 grams) Height: 1.5 in (38.7 mm) Width: 2.7 in (68.3 mm) Length: 4.9 in (125.5 mm) + Show Spoiler [Image] +
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Roccat
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Mionix (Naos)
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Mad Catz (Cyborg)
+ Show Spoiler +Cyborg MiceR.A.T. 7 Type: Ergonomic Price: $99.99 Max DPI: 5600dpi Review: Maximum PC+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +DPI range: 25-5600dpi (in 25dpi steps) Acceleration: 50G Polling Rate: Dynamic up to 1000Hz Tracking Speed: Up to 6m/sec Always On PTFE "Slick" Feet Gold plated connector Braided USB cable + Show Spoiler [Image] +
From JingleHell:
RAT7 has a Phillips Twin Eye sensor, and it's bitchy about surfaces. It only works well on smooth, matte surfaces, and a lot of hard mats are softer than the feet, meaning they get polished down over time, eventually putting a shine on them. Happened with my Vespula hard mat on the smooth side. The textured side never worked with it. It's comfortable, but very heavy, and the adjustments are reasonable for comfort. The side buttons are kind of cheap, my vent PTT is mouse4, and died after ~16 months. Works very well with QXC pads, particularly the QXC mass, which is thick enough not to shift around underneath it. On the side buttons bit: Looking at it, it's molded plastic, that can flex a bit. Unfortunately, they just wear down quick. Looks like I can glue it back on though maybe. Otherwise I'll have to RMA. Terrible construction on side buttons though.
On February 22 2012 14:48 breastickle wrote:
I got the Cyborg Rat7 for Christmas as a gift, and it is a significant improvement from a standard USB mouse that ships with a computer. I wouldn't necessarily seek it out or recommend spending money on a RAT, as the Death Adder is quite possibly the best fit for my hand and play style.
I did use patience and effort to customize the shape and swappable pieces to fit me just so, and I feel much more accurate, with fewer misclicks. The one button I felt I'd use the least it turns out to be most useful, the precision/snipe button decreases the sensitivity (to the point of your choice) for situations where you just can't quite click the spot you want. I don't play many FPS, but it's intended for sniping... I should take it into quakelive for a trial...
Great for unique-shaped hands, great for macro mouse, you can get a little creative, but you can't bind mousewheel with the software that comes with it.
Poor choice per dollar, but fantastic if you're looking for a mouse with customizeable weight, extra buttons, or a little aesthetic appeal for your desk.
On February 19 2012 03:06 Honeybadger wrote:
I'd like to post a review for the R.A.T 7
Previous mice: MX518, Microsoft sidewinder (with the vertical thumb buttons) a lachesis and a naga
I bought it after my naga was starting to freak out (before SCII I was a hardcore MMOer, but the naga was just having a bad day or something, it still works fine) and read a smoldering review in PC gamer. At first, all seemed well. If you're a palmer, this mouse rocks. It's accurate, sturdy, feels like a tank in your hand, and can be conformed to almost any hand size. But it just didn't work for me. I tried everything, and over the past 8 months, I just pulled out my old naga and gave it another go, and will not be using my RAT7 again. My problem, is that I have a fingertip grip and hands that could palm a basketball. I also adjust my grip/pinkie position a LOT, and the RAT was just not working for me. Also, it's a HEAVY mouse. It's got a solid chassis and subsequently the concept of adding any of the weights to it is laughable.
Build quality is superb, the thing fits your hand like the batsuit, but those mouse feet suck. buy teflon tape for this bugger.
The power chord is too thick to work properly with the razer mouse bungee. It fits into the top piece, but won't fit in the lower two. This let me use it, but was kind of annoying.
That all said, it has small mouse feet, and they're getting very gnarly, so when I get some teflon tape in the mail in the next few days, I'll put it on the RAT and give it one last go. But it's unfortunately just not the mouse for me, as I have a very unique method of holding my hand (most comfortable mouse I've had by far is the microsoft sidewinder, but it was a mouse ONLY built for people like me)
Ergonomic Price: $149.99 Max DPI: 5600dpi Review: CNET+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +DPI range: 25-5600dpi (in 25dpi steps) Acceleration: 50G Polling Rate: Dynamic up to 1000Hz Tracking Speed: Up to 6m/sec Always On Up to 9 hours continuous gaming ,Up to 4 days normal use PTFE "Slick" Feet Gold plated connector Braided USB cable + Show Spoiler [Image] +
On February 13 2012 20:33 madals wrote:
Been using the cyborg R.A.T.9 for a few months now and I cannot stress how AMAZING this mouse is.
Firstly, I was using a logitech revolution before, lovely mouse but the charger started to die and wasn't specifically a gaming mouse so I started to do some research for the best mouse I could get.
The Rat9 has amazing signal, feedback time and battery life (about 10 hours of use) - the battery quick swap is also an amazing feature, one is charging while you use the other and it takes literally a matter of seconds to switch them over.
So let me get onto the real selling point of this mouse, it is so customisable. The different grips/size adjustments actually help a lot to get it to fit your own hand EXACTLY how you want it to. Personally, I fell in love with their "pinky rest" that lets you rest your little finger of a flat bit of the mouse rather than "gripping" the side. It may not sound like much, but in long gaming sessions I find it to massively reduce my hand ache. The weight changes can be anything from subtle to drastic, with no weights in the mouse is feather light but with all of them in the thing is actually damn heavy in your hand.
The only draw back I have found to the mouse in terms of customisation is the thumb angle doesn't seem to lock very hard, so if you grip the mouse with the angle out wide then it will move back in.
The DPI is amazing, frankly I don't think anyone could use it on its maximum. 4 quick change settings really help if you use a different DPI ingame compared to desktop etc. The software allows multiple profiles and is very easy to use (for example the side wheel I have changed to switch between hatches and the two side buttons to be ctrl and shift).
The only problem I have had with this mouse is that if you use wireless internet which uses the same frequency as the mouse, it completely kills the connection to the web - it is easily solved by moving the wireless though or changing frequency.
Cooler Master
+ Show Spoiler +CM Storm MiceSpawn Type: Ergonomic Price: $49.99 Max DPI: 3500 Review: Hardware Heaven Overclockers.com+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Material: Rubber Grip / ABS Plastic Dimensions: (L) 107 X (W) 75 X (H) 35 mm / (L) 4.2 X (W) 4 X (H) 1.3 inch Net Weight: 142 g / 0.313 lb Sensor: 3500 DPI Storm Tactical Optical Sensor Maximum Tracking Speed: 60 IPS Maximum Acceleration: 20g Polling Time: 1.0ms Speed Measurement: 6400 fps Onboard Memory: 32Kb Form Factor: Right Hand Ergonomic Button Assignment: 7 + Show Spoiler [Image] +
On January 07 2012 19:14 FakePromise wrote:
I've been using the CM Storm spawn for a little over 3 months now and I love it. The shape, how lightweight it is, and the clicking feels really nice. I tried out the ikari, abysuss, deathadder, and I really didn't like the feel of the clicks. The Storm feels like an ikari but smaller and lighter. Its mostly for people who use a claw grip or palm if you have small hands. The ring finger rest lets me control the mouse without having it in an awkward position and the rubber grips keeps your fingers in place, I highly recommend this mouse for claw grip users.
On January 07 2012 19:24 Chicken Chaser wrote:
I switched over to the Storm from the Logitech G7 v2 (blue) after two years. Made the switch around last November. If you prefer a cheaper alternative, the Cool Master Xornet has the same form factor. (Only difference is firmware/software, color black, no onboard memory?, different optical sensor).
Personal reasons for switching:
- I wanted a lighter mouse
- I wanted an optical instead of laser sensor.
- My G7's mouse feet were so messed up lol
Why you should consider getting the Storm:
- Great price for awesome product
- Very responsive clicking
- Claw grippers will rejoice
- Low LOD
- Light weight
Cons:
- Scroll wheel cannot tilt left-right
- Software is kind of a mess (e.g. driver software freezes if you try to apply settings with Chrome up)
- Several firmware to choose from (like "30, 31, 32") depending on preferred lift off distance
Ergonomic Price: $59.99 Max DPI: 4000 Review: Hardware Heaven+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Material: Rubber Grip / ABS Plastic / Mesh Bezel / Metal Plate Dimensions: (L) 120 X (W) 75X (H) 40 mm / (L) 4.7 X (W) 2.9 X (H) 1.6 inch Net Weight: 161.5 g / 0.356 lb Sensor: 4000 DPI Storm Tactical™ Laser Sensor X&Y Axis Configuration: Independent and programmable Maximum Tracking Speed: 115 IPS Polling Time: 1.0ms Lift-off distance: 2mm Form Factor: Right Hand Ergonomic Button Assignment: 11 DPI Display LED + Show Spoiler [Image] + Ergonomic Price: $59.99 Max DPI: 5600 Review: Hardware Heaven+ Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Material: Rubber Grip / ABS Plastic / Mesh Bezel / Metal Plate Dimensions: (L) 135 X (W) 83.5 X (H) 40 mm / (L) 5.3 X (W) 3.3 X (H) 1.6 inch Net Weight: 161.5 g / 0.356 lb Sensor: 5600 DPI Storm TacticalTM Twin-laser Sensor Form Factor: Right Hand Ergonomic Button Assignment: 8 DPI Display: OLED + Show Spoiler [Image] +
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+ Show Spoiler +Tt eSPORTs MiceAzurues mini Type:Ambidextrous Price: $44.99 Max DPI: 1600 Review: wo1fwood's review on TL + Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Avago ADNS-A3080 (B1037C) Optical Sensor Omron D2FC-F-7N Switches 400/800/1600cpi (400/1600 native) 500Hz / 2ms response 114x62x37mm (lwh) 96g 40ips 6400fps 15g acceleration Teflon feet 1.8m braided fiber cable Gold-plated USB connector + Show Spoiler [image] +Ambidextrous Price: $49.99 Max DPI: 1600 Review: Hardware Heaven + Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +1600 DPI Engine (400/800/1600 DPI Adjustable), OMRON Gaming Switch Capable of up to 5 Million Keystrokes. Braided USB Cable with Gold-Plated Connector. Color-Red Lighting Effects Rubber-Coating Finish Dimensions 1.5mm (length) x 67.2mm (width) x 38.5mm (height). + Show Spoiler [image] +Ambidextrous Price: $64.99 [ Max DPI: 6500 Review: wo1fwood's review on TL + Show Spoiler [Full Specs] +Number of Macro Keys: 9 Sensor engine: 6500 dpi Sensor Type: Laser Cable length: 1.8m braided Body dimensions (LxWxH):123.8 x 66.7x 41.6mm OMRON gaming switch up to 5 million keystrokes Gold-plated USB connectors Pause-break lighting system Rubber coating finished Graphical user’s interface for personalized macro keys, advanced performance and light options. 128KB on board memory for storing up to 45 Macro keys within 5 game profiles, plug and play while switching to different PC + Show Spoiler [image] +
On May 02 2012 12:23 Heafmo wrote:
TT Esports Black Element: Whilst looking like the ideal mouse with a breadth of options it is so only on paper. I've had pixel skipping with two of these. I couldn't find a single surface the laser would work reliably with. After giving this mouse a good few months I returned to my copperhead to feel instantly at home again. Truth is is that unless you have Hulk-Hands this mouse is just going to be too big for you; with palm grip you're very limited in vertical movement as it will hit your palm very quickly and the same issue can even be had with fingertip grip. Forget claw grip, even with all the weights out this mouse is just too heavy and bulky to move comfortable, let alone the visually pleasing fin-like edges.
Zowie Gear
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*Note, all prices listed in this section were taken from manufacturer websites or MSRP and are in US$ unless otherwise denoted.*
Trying to decide between mice? Confused about which has the best technical specs? Check out some of the cross manufacturer comparisons below to help you decide:
Comparison of Technical Specifications suggested by wo1fwood
Be sure to check out this very complete list of popular mice and technical specifications over on Overclock.net; has info on the type of sensor used by each mouse as well. Link is Here
Physical Properties Comparison by wo1fwood
wo1fwood put together a super nifty image comparing the properties of a number of popular gaming mice, check it out!
+ Show Spoiler [Wo1fwood's Physical Properties C…] +Mouse Properties ComparisonI decided to gather a bunch of information an compile it visually so that I could get a better grasp on what would be the best mouse for me. The image I made below compares a number of 'popular' mice in terms of size, weight, etc.. I can always edit it and add more mice that I might have missed. I hope this helps people out as much as it has me in this process. Click the image for a larger version![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/A9irI.png)
Specific Comparison Guides:
Several guides comparing specific mice:
+ Show Spoiler [Other Comparison Guides] +Overview and Comparison of Several Popular Mice by eugen1225 An overview comparing the Razer Abyssus, Razer Deathadder, Roccat Kova, and Logitech mx518: + Show Spoiler +The Question aside, i can recommend a few mice (i own them all, and other that i wont recommend). 1) Razer Abyssus 8/10 3500 DPI (3500;1800;450 hardware switch on the back of the mouse) No Drift Control Infrared (optical) sensor - which i find superior to laser sensors (avoid lasers like the plague!), imo one of the best sensors on the market for gaming. If you want drift control on your mouse, get the Razer Salmosa, but i think the abyssus is better. Cons. : 1)800 DPI is not an option on the hardware DPI switch, i dont understand why since Salmosa had 800 as an option. 2)The shape, i love my gaming performance with this mouse (these mice), but my hand starts hurting a lot even after 30 min of gaming on the abyssus/salmosa, it makes me sad, i switched to another mouse because of this. I don't know if it causes palm pain for others. 2) Razer Deathadder 9/10 3500 DPI 3.5G infrared Sensor (optical) - side by side with abyssus' sensor, one of the best on the market, no bad thing to say about this sensor, its flawless. No Drift control (out of the box or after firmware update, cant really remember  ) It has a profile button to switch between memorised profiles, so its good for LAN's. Its shape is simmilar to the Intelli explorer 3.0, a nice shape, comfortable on the arm, your palm doasn't hurt even from longer gaming times (hours). In my opinion the best ergonomic mouse on the market, and perhaps the best overall mouse. Cons.: 1) The mouse click is maybe a bit to deep, so clicking fast and continuous is a bit problematic, but mby its just my mouse... after a lot of gaming...  3) Roccat Kova 8/10 (the mouse I'm using at the moment) 3200 DPI (3200/1600/800/400) Multicolored Led No Drivers (everything is switched from mouse combinations, DPI, coloring, lighting, everything! this is great!) DRIFT CONTROL!!! - This mouse has drift control, and it cant be turned off its small, the same size as the abyssus, but it doesn't cause palm pain unlike the abyssus, this could be specific for me. It's very light. Some may like this, some may not. It's all about preference. Cons.: *drift control*? (there might be someone that likes drift control. I don't) 4) Logitech mx518 9/10 This is an albeit 'old', good mouse. 1800 DPI (1800/800/400) Optical has DRIFT CONTROL!!! Imo Logitech has always had, and still has the best mouse feet, this mouse glides very nice. Its durable, can withstand a lot of punishment. The click is a bit hard but not deep and it softens a bit in time. Hardware switch for DPI Very nice ergonomic shape, i can play on it for hours and not get palm pain. Cons.  rift Control*? (again, some may not see this as a con, it's my personal preference, and the only bad thing i have to say about this mouse). If you must buy a small, ambidextrous mouse, look at Abyssus/Salmosa and Kova, the important specs are up there, you should be able to pick easy. If you want to buy an ergonomic mouse, buy the DeathAdder, it will server you well, you wont regret it. Avoid Laser mice, sensitivity is different on laser mice compared to optical(infrared), and they wont track well on every mouse mat!!! Some because the surface is not to their liking, some wont work on black mats, instead of buying tons of laser mice and hoping to find one with a good sensor, just avoid them, you have good alternatives! Somebody wrote that the imperator is a better DA... Imperator is not a better version of the DA, DA is a far supperior product with a better sensor, Imperator just has more bling. I have it, its garbage! Of all the mice i own, I can recommend just the above listed 4. *note* Most mice on the marker have drift control and it's not specified in the specs. It was a trend that every mouse manufacturer embraced, and now slowly reject. Most of the newer Razer mice don't have drift control, or have firmware that can turn it off, if it was a feature on older models, I don't know about other manufacturers, the specs on their sites don't specify if their mice have or don't have drift control I had to find out about the Roccat Kova's by buying it. Hope this longish post helps. suggested by wo1fwood If you're interested in Razer products, they have a "Selection Guide" on their site that allows you to compare any of their products over a number of specifications. Link Is Here
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Below are some mouse reviews from fellow Team Liquid members, should help provide an RTS gamer's perspective on which mouse is the right mouse.
Razer Reviews
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Logitech Reviews
+ Show Spoiler +Overview of Logitech G300 by Demicore + Show Spoiler +I realized that the Logitech G300 was not as big as I had initially thought. I had previously discarded it because its shape suggested to me that it was a palm grip kind of mouse, but I now realized that it wasn't. The R.A.T. mice also looked appealing but I settled on the G300 purely because of my fond memories of the G1. Well, I'm very happy with this mouse and this post is getting rather longish so I'm just gonna list the pros and cons and wrap this up: +excellent texture, on the top *and* on the sides (which is not the case of the Abyssus, even the standard one has glossy plastic on the sides) +smooth gliding +responsive buttons +two pretty LEDs that can go from red to green to blue at the touch of one of the many additional buttons. Now, as a shallow Frenchman, I find simply being able to change the color of the mouse enough to warrant the presence of a button dedicated to it, but it turns out you can save three different settings profiles in the mouse's memory and the color tells you which one you are currently using +great customization. You can set the DPI through 50dpi increments (but it only goes up to 2500); you can separate the dpi of the X axis from the dpi of the Y axis; you can change the dpi on the fly with one of the additional buttons, and you can chose how many dpi levels you want to have at your disposal (up to five) etc. -the only con is its schizophrenic shape. Its shape suggests palm grip but its size says fingertip or claw grip. There's a certain awkwardness to controlling this mouse at first because of that but I ceased to notice it after about one hour of use. Also, the sensor is not located at the center of the mouse. I've heard people lamenting that but I personally can't see any difference. Overall I'm really loving this mouse and I'd recommend it to anyone who likes small mice. I'm sorry I couldn't go more in depth about the customization and the additional buttons (6 in total), but I just don't use these fancy doodads. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9vfr3.png) by GinNtoniC + Show Spoiler +I've found the Logitech G700 to completely change my perception of good mice. And I've had the Logitech G7, the Logitech MX518, the Microsoft Sidewinder x8 and tried out other top of the line mice (Razer Diamondback, Lycosa, Mamba etc). It has the most amazing grip, not only in shape but also in friction. The buttons are many, but never get in the way. They're just.. there, if I need them. It has a ridoncilous range of 23 meters (~60 feet?) according to my little at-home-tests. I'm standing in my kitchen changing songs and playlists via buttons and macros I've put on it and of course - it's wireless! And don't give me the that usual crap of "oooh, wireless mice have massive delays and are bad for gamers!" Modern mice (ever since the release of G7 back in 06-07) are way and way ahead of the mice that were released back then and the latency has time and time again been proven to be non-perceiveable for the human body (less than .002 seconds). The battery time is around 6-8 hours in full gaming and I just plug in the cord lying next to it if I ever want to turn it into a standard Wired mouse (which then also charges the battery). To put in simple words: It's both helped me improve my micro in games and lets me lie on my back in bed and change episodes of my favourite series and shows, 20 feet from my computer (computer visually cloned to the TV) Yeah, it costs you $89 or something like that, but hell, is it ever worth it! That mouse and my pair of Dynavoice floor mounted speakers are the best buys I've done over the last few years. Just do it! Get one! ps. I use the mouse with a Steelpad 4DThe Logitech G700
Roccat Reviews
+ Show Spoiler +Roccat Pyra Wo1fwood's review of the Roccat Pyra: Link is Here
Thermaltake
+ Show Spoiler +Tt Azurues miniWo1fwood's review of the Tt esports Azurues mini: Link is Here
Zowie Reviews
+ Show Spoiler +Zowie Mico TL thread about the Zowie Mico including information, discussion and a few TL user reviews. Link is Here
So you've got a nice shiny mouse, but now how do you configure it to get the best performance?
Configuration Guides
Guides on how to best setup your mouse and configure Windows and driver settings.
+ Show Spoiler [Conguration Guides] +Mouse Sensitivity Settings for Gaming by stafu TL thread about the correct way to setup Windows mouse setting, a MUST read for any RTS gamer. Link is HereAdjusting Your Mouse to Game Better by Sanasante Who doesn't want to get the best performance from their mouse? Check out this TL thread by Sanasante for all the info. Link is HereCompletely Disable Windows Mouse Acceleration by Turo TL thread about how to disable all forms of mouse acceleration in Windows. Link is Here*Note: There is some conflict over the whether this change helps or not, make sure to read the thread through before making any changes*
Config Programs and Apps
Some programs and apps that can fix things like mouse issues on macs and help with switching between devices
+ Show Spoiler [Configuration Apps] +Mac Mouse woes be gone! by Bumblebees TL thread about how Bumblebees's program that fixes some mouse issues on Macs. Link is Here
Links to additional sources of information that may be useful:
Additional TL Threads
Here are some additional links to other threads on TL that have some very useful information.
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Outside Links
Links to non-TL sources that may be useful.
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Updates
I am officially updating this! Keep checking back for new info!
List of Changes to OP:
+ Show Spoiler +-Added Banner by TheToast -Added Logitech M100 Review by SpoR from page 7 -Added recommendations by eugen1225 from page 5 -Added comparison chart by wo1fwood -Added links to Razer mouse guides -Added Logitech M100 -Added MS Intellimouse 3.0 -Added Cyborg R.A.T9 -Added Link to TL thread -Added Steel Series Sensei (oh snap!) -Added Steel Series Ikari -Added Logitech G700 overview by GinNtoniC from page 5 -Added Roccat Kone -wo1fwood's updated comparison guide added -format update -fixed broken link: I'm sure there are still more, will keep fixing as I go -added link to thread for "Mac Mouse woes be gone!" by Bumblebees -added CM Spawn -linked Zowie Mico thread -added Spectre reviews under "TL Reviews" as well -added Razer Naga: 17 buttons, wtf? -edited main info (still wip!) -updated wo1fwood's comparison guide -changed formatting on mouse list (ongoing) -added Razer Imperator -removed links to OCS's Spectre review (Itazy's is much better) 1/21/2012 -Started putting dates on my update log -Reorganized sections -Added a number of posts to feedback sections -Added CM Z3ro-G and CM Inferno -Added Steel Series Kana -Added Zowie Mico and AM 1/22/2012 -Added Logitech G400 -Added Zowie EC1 and EC2 -Microsoft SideWinder were apparently all discontinued (wtf?) -Adding in full mouse specs (wip) 1/23/2012 -More specs added in, thinking of adding pics for each as well -Added Razer Orochi 1/24/2012 -Spec Updates 1/25/2011 -Edited links -Added Logitech G300 (this thing looks kinda cool...) 1/26/2012 -Added Gigabyte GM8000X -Edited in the updates to wo1fwood's guides (ty wo1f!!!) 1/27/2012 -Adding in more specs and pics -Added Demicore's G300 Overview in Reviews 1/28/2012 -Updated wo1fwood's guide -fixed over-sized image (TLbot was yelling at me ) 1/30/2012 -Added in full specs and images for Roccat mice -Added in Roccat Pyra 2/10/2012 -Added Naos 5000 and R.A.T. 7 -Finished adding in pics and full specs for all mice -Removed the Logitech M100 listing and review 2/18/2012 -updated two of wo1f's guides 3/9/2012 -added Tt eSPORTS Azures mini and linked wo1fwood's review -updated feedback 3/31/2012 -New banner, new headers, new year!.... well new banner and headers at least 4/2/2012 -Added TT Esports mice 4/5/2012 -updated explanation guide about DPI/CPI 4/6/2012 fixed broken links/typos 4-11-2012 adjusted spacing 5-2-2012 Added link to wo1fwood's mouse guide Removed some outdates stuff in tech guides section Added additional feedback
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| Skuller United States. December 05 2010 12:33. Posts 197 | Profile # |
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On December 05 2010 12:33 Skuller wrote:
Razer lachesis has wireless capability?... I don't think so.
Whoops, typo. Fixing now, thank you.
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| dLKnighT Canada. December 05 2010 13:00. Posts 729 | Profile Blog # |
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On December 05 2010 13:00 ChroMe! wrote:
Deathadder review links broken.
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| vicariouscheese United States. December 05 2010 13:22. Posts 572 | Profile # |
for your money myth, you should add that alot of pro players play with ms1.1, ms3.0 and wmo, which are 20-30$. alot of pro fps players *dont* use these mice simply because they have to use equipment from their sponsors, obviously
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| peekn United States. December 05 2010 13:45. Posts 1140 | Profile Blog # |
Thinking about picking up one of these bad boys, played with it at WCG 2010 and I was hooked on the feel of it. Does anyone own one and have any complaints about it??
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On December 05 2010 13:22 vicariouscheese wrote:
for your money myth, you should add that alot of pro players play with ms1.1, ms3.0 and wmo, which are 20-30$. alot of pro fps players *dont* use these mice simply because they have to use equipment from their sponsors, obviously
this isnt to say that "gaming" equipment isnt worth the money, but people should understand that they are paying more for marketing bs alot of the time.
There was actually a thread about this, I think it turned out that a lot of players were just using mid-range gaming mice and not the like $130 ones.
I find it and post a link in the OP.
On December 05 2010 13:45 peekn wrote:Thinking about picking up one of these bad boys, played with it at WCG 2010 and I was hooked on the feel of it. Does anyone own one and have any complaints about it?? + Show Spoiler +
4000 DPI and it's only $50? Damn that sounds nice. Not a lot of reviews out there, not even many customer reviews on NewEgg or Amazon. I did find one decent review Here but I've never heard of this site before so I'm not sure how trust-worthy it is. |
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| mixXanber United States. December 05 2010 14:38. Posts 96 | Profile # |
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| Nyx Rwanda. December 05 2010 14:47. Posts 460 | Profile Blog # |
On December 05 2010 12:26 TheToast wrote:
The mere fact that wireless and Bluetooth signals are by nature slower than a corded signal
I'm going to have to disagree, the speed of light is in fact much faster than the speed electricity can delivery data in a copper medium. So I don't understand how by nature they can be slower. In fact if anything by nature they're faster but they're slower by design.
Which I will also contest as Razer tote their wireless mamba mouse as being their fastest responding, even faster than those with cords.
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On December 05 2010 14:38 mixXanber wrote:
The Logitech MX518 should go under the logitech section. I'm pretty sure alot of people use it.
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| sawedust United States. December 05 2010 15:54. Posts 506 | Profile # |
Logitech Mini Optical may deserve a shoutout in this thread, seeing as how it's a BW staple and quite a few of the forum members are still using it for SC2.
With the weight removed from the inside and removing the click spring for the scroll wheel, it's a very lightweight, maneuverable mouse that's awesome for fingertip-style mouse users or those who prefer using smaller mice.
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I'd still be using my Mini Optical but I lost it  .
Deathadder is a great mouse, got me to switch from claw to grip or w/e it's called. Only problem is it's Razer so they put that plastic on the sides right where your palm rests and it gets really grimy. If I could find my Mini Optical I'd switch back to it and sell my Deathadder probably though.Last edit: 2010-12-05 16:41:18 |
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| KoN_Ulla Norway. December 05 2010 19:36. Posts 15 | Profile # |
Hi, im gonna buy a new mouse now, and was wondering if anyone here have been using Roccat Kone?
Ive been using Logitech G5 for 4 years and it is great (but broken) so I was gonna buy a new one, but Roccat Kone seems like it is the same just better ^^, was using microsoft intellimouse 3.0 before, and not going back to that ^^.
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i got the roccat kova and i'm absolutely satisfied because of the low weight and it's ergonomics.
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On December 05 2010 12:26 TheToast wrote:Logitech MX 518 Type: Ergonomic Price: $39.99 on Amazon Max DPI: 1800 (according to Logitech's site, CNET says 1600) Review: CNET
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| TheToast United States. December 06 2010 01:50. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
Wow that is a really nice list, super helpful! Adding a link now....
On December 05 2010 19:54 lqd wrote:that's cuz logitech updated the mx518 some years ago (2007?) with 1800 dpi. if you buy new, it's gonna be the newer one.
Thank you for explaining that to me, I'll update that as well.
On December 05 2010 14:47 Nyx wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:26 TheToast wrote:
The mere fact that wireless and Bluetooth signals are by nature slower than a corded signal
I'm going to have to disagree, the speed of light is in fact much faster than the speed electricity can delivery data in a copper medium. So I don't understand how by nature they can be slower. In fact if anything by nature they're faster but they're slower by design. Which I will also contest as Razer tote their wireless mamba mouse as being their fastest responding, even faster than those with cords. Not that it makes a fucking difference anyway.
See that's interesting, because I have been for years told the opposite. I'll edit it out for now and see if I can do some research on what is correct.
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| | I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid. | |
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| Zapperkhan United States. December 06 2010 01:53. Posts 428 | Profile # |
| The older MX518s were a max DPI of 1600. Newer one that I picked up recently is 1800. That CNET review might just be an older review. |
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| Zzoram Canada. December 06 2010 01:56. Posts 6758 | Profile # |
| I hate wireless mice. Nothing worse than your batteries dying in the middle of a huge battle. |
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