| TheToast United States. December 06 2010 02:00. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On December 06 2010 01:53 Zapperkhan wrote:
The older MX518s were a max DPI of 1600. Newer one that I picked up recently is 1800. That CNET review might just be an older review.
Thank you, this indeed looks to be the case. It's strange that Logitech didn't change the mouse model name (like MX519) when they updated it, most reviews out there still say 1600 DPI. I'm wondering if half the tech sites even noticed that they changed it...
I'll also add the other too mice mentioned in this thread into the OP. |
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| Zapperkhan United States. December 06 2010 02:30. Posts 428 | Profile # |
On December 06 2010 02:00 TheToast wrote:
Thank you, this indeed looks to be the case. It's strange that Logitech didn't change the mouse model name (like MX519) when they updated it, most reviews out there still say 1600 DPI. I'm wondering if half the tech sites even noticed that they changed it...
I'll also add the other too mice mentioned in this thread into the OP.
Probably because it's just one of the most popular, reliable, best bang for you buck mice on the planet. All based on it's name. Better than the atrocious G5 that came out later.
Also the Amazon description still says it's 1600dpi haha. They also changed the feet on the newer MX518s. Instead of the small ovular feet they switch to the same type they have on their other lines, the two larger semi circles and one long semi circle.Last edit: 2010-12-06 02:31:54 |
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| Nyx Rwanda. December 06 2010 02:35. Posts 460 | Profile Blog # |
On December 06 2010 01:50 TheToast wrote:
See that's interesting, because I have been for years told the opposite. I'll edit it out for now and see if I can do some research on what is correct.
There is very little reference on the subject, I was simply correcting your wording, as by nature, wireless communication should be faster as it abuses photons rather than heavy electrons.
But, I think earlier implementations of wireless communication in mice might have led to things like lower polling speeds in order to increase battery life. So by design, wireless mouse are often slower?
I think I'm wording that right? |
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| TheToast United States. December 06 2010 03:38. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On December 06 2010 02:35 Nyx wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 01:50 TheToast wrote:
See that's interesting, because I have been for years told the opposite. I'll edit it out for now and see if I can do some research on what is correct.
There is very little reference on the subject, I was simply correcting your wording, as by nature, wireless communication should be faster as it abuses photons rather than heavy electrons. But, I think earlier implementations of wireless communication in mice might have led to things like lower polling speeds in order to increase battery life. So by design, wireless mouse are often slower? I think I'm wording that right?
Yeah your right, there's not a lot of sources on the subject out there. Though I did find some Wikipedia articles that reference the maximum transfer speed of Bluetooth and USB 2.0.
Apparently Bluetooth Version 3 is around 24Mbits/s and USB 2.0 is around 33 Mbits/s (despite that the maximum reported transfer speed is said to be much higher, the real world rate is around 33). Of course the source is Wikipedia and this is just talking about the maximum possible data transfer rate, doesn't necessarily mean that all mice are this fast. I'm inclined to believe that the mouse hardware has a lot more to do with the actual responsiveness of the mouse, a reason to find and read some good reviews before buying.
Bluetooth article is Here USB 2.0 Article is Here
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| BleaK_ Norway. December 06 2010 03:44. Posts 562 | Profile # |
You should include the logitech G9x as well in the OP  |
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| TheToast United States. December 06 2010 03:58. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On December 06 2010 03:44 BleaK_ wrote:You should include the logitech G9x as well in the OP
Added.
Also re-arranged items by price. |
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| Jswizzy United States. December 06 2010 04:04. Posts 755 | Profile # | |
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| Zapperkhan United States. December 06 2010 04:15. Posts 428 | Profile # |
I would hope one while making a purchase can search the Internet for prices. You can't expect the OP to keep them updated. I'd say just list the MSRP. |
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| TheToast United States. December 06 2010 04:17. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
The $79.99 price is if you order it directly from Logitech, I'm trying to use MRSP prices just to make it easier to compare. But yeah, you can find virtually all of these mice cheaper on Amazon or New Egg. But that goes for pretty much any PC accessories.
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| Wineandbread United States. December 06 2010 04:57. Posts 176 | Profile # |
| I've had a MX518 for about 4 years now and it's still chugging along just fine Last edit: 2010-12-06 04:58:44 |
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| TheToast United States. December 06 2010 06:40. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On December 06 2010 04:57 Wineandbread wrote:I've had a MX518 for about 4 years now and it's still chugging along just fine
Yeah even my cheapo Logitech lasted like 5 or 6 years before I started having problems with the buttons.
On their site, Logitech actually lists the projected lifetime of their mice. They claim the G500 is apparently good up to 8 million clicks. |
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| Black Gun Germany. December 06 2010 07:08. Posts 3871 | Profile Blog # |
| great thread, i appreciate it although it doesnt provide any new info for me. something i would like to see added is an explanation of the interaction between dpi and screen resolution resulting in the "effective sensitivity". im just fed up of guys praising 400 dpi mice as the non-plus-ultra for games like sc2 which by many are played on 1600++ resolutions... |
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| Zapperkhan United States. December 06 2010 07:32. Posts 428 | Profile # |
| I use my mouse at 400DPI so... Yeah... Though the bulk of my gaming career was in FPS with low sensitivity. I personally just feel everything is more precise with the low DPI. I run 1680x1050. Takes 4.2 inches to move my mouse from the left side to the right side of the screen. Dunno. I'm just used to that type of control. I feel with a higher DPI/Sensitivity that I'm not as accurate. All in all try adjusting your in game sensitivity (Not your OS's) it's virtually identical to DPI. Last edit: 2010-12-06 07:34:58 |
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| Black Gun Germany. December 06 2010 07:49. Posts 3871 | Profile Blog # |
On December 06 2010 07:32 Zapperkhan wrote:
I use my mouse at 400DPI so... Yeah... Though the bulk of my gaming career was in FPS with low sensitivity. I personally just feel everything is more precise with the low DPI. I run 1680x1050. Takes 4.2 inches to move my mouse from the left side to the right side of the screen. Dunno. I'm just used to that type of control. I feel with a higher DPI/Sensitivity that I'm not as accurate. All in all try adjusting your in game sensitivity (Not your OS's) it's virtually identical to DPI.
virtually nobody plays rts games like sc2 with low sens for a long time. it might work for the occasional player but not for any1 who plays more than 20 hours a week.... with all the constant mouse movements in any rts, its just way too tiring to need over 4 inches of mouse movement just for one screen. and the problem with sc2 is that the ingame sensitivity menu is just a port to the windows settings, which usually shouldnt be messed with.  Last edit: 2010-12-07 08:46:35 |
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| Zapperkhan United States. December 06 2010 07:54. Posts 428 | Profile # |
On December 06 2010 07:49 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 07:32 Zapperkhan wrote:
I use my mouse at 400DPI so... Yeah... Though the bulk of my gaming career was in FPS with low sensitivity. I personally just feel everything is more precise with the low DPI. I run 1680x1050. Takes 4.2 inches to move my mouse from the left side to the right side of the screen. Dunno. I'm just used to that type of control. I feel with a higher DPI/Sensitivity that I'm not as accurate. All in all try adjusting your in game sensitivity (Not your OS's) it's virtually identical to DPI.
virtually nobody plays rts games like sc2 with low sens for a long time. it might work for the occasional player but not for any1 who plays more than 20 hours a week.... with all the constant mouse movements in any rts, its just way to tiring to need over 4 inches of mouse movement just for one screen. and the problem with sc2 is that the ingame sensitivity menu is just a port to the windows settings, which usually shouldnt be messed with.
51% - 54% is actually the recommended SC2 setting for 1:1 pixel movement at 6/11 windows sensitivity. You start skipping pixels till about 64% or so I believe. I'd have to go run the tests again
I don't really get tired from massing games or playing micro intensive customs either. It's muscle memory more than anything. Sure I may not go pro, but my sensitivity is not the issue there lol.Last edit: 2010-12-06 08:01:05 |
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| Werk United States. December 07 2010 08:37. Posts 286 | Profile Blog # |
| Agreed wireless mice for gaming is a no go. I bought the razor naga originally for wow but have since quit that garbage for sc2. it really is a great mouse, all those extra buttons are programmable so it doesn't HAVE to be a MMO mouse. Aside from the buttons the cord is nice n tuff n will never rip as its braided, very light, works great on my goliathus mouse pad! |
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 Jibba United States. December 12 2010 19:42. Posts 20236 | Profile Blog # |
I think you have way too much emphasis on CPI (printers use CPI, mice use CPI) and not enough on the sensors or problems that come with them. People have very personal feelings attached to their mice and its performance, but most people are wrong. It really needs to be a mouse buying guide, so further development into grips and so on is needed, I think.
TL needs an ultimate mouse thread. If you don't mind, could I write some stuff to be added to the OP?Last edit: 2010-12-12 19:44:04 |
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| MasterVelVet Belgium. December 12 2010 20:30. Posts 131 | Profile # |
| you should really ad the razer impernator to your list, it has all the nice features of razer mice, while haven a nice ergonomic style layout from a logitech mouse. |
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| OutlaW- Czech Republic. December 13 2010 00:09. Posts 3248 | Profile Blog # |
On December 12 2010 19:42 Jibba wrote:
I think you have way too much emphasis on CPI (printers use CPI, mice use CPI) and not enough on the sensors or problems that come with them. People have very personal feelings attached to their mice and its performance, but most people are wrong. It really needs to be a mouse buying guide, so further development into grips and so on is needed, I think.
TL needs an ultimate mouse thread. If you don't mind, could I write some stuff to be added to the OP?
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| scottyyy United Kingdom. December 13 2010 00:18. Posts 720 | Profile Blog # |
Good thread idea but needs more technical info imo. I don't think an ultimate mouse thread is complete without an explanation of why turning mouse acceleration off is the best thing you can possibly do for your mouse control.  |
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