The Ultimate Mouse Thread

Depends on your screen resolution, isn't the mini optical only 500CPI? Gotta remember BW is also only 640x480.

Toast: The Sensei uses the A9500 which means that every resolution above 5700 is interpolated, and the bad kind of interpolation at that.

JingleHell United States. April 08 2012 21:39. Posts 11262

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On April 08 2012 19:17 ACrow wrote:

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I understood him and was recommending the much cheaper Qck

The sensor of the Imperator can be quite touchy and has trouble with glossy/flat surfaces in my experience.

Your wording had me a bit confused then. I agree on the QCK, actually, I'll never buy another hard pad after what happened with my vespula. Feet on my mouse polished it, which then made the laser stop working on it. Lasted a year or so. Ick.

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TheToast United States. April 09 2012 05:41. Posts 4804

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On April 08 2012 21:20 wo1fwood wrote:
Toast: The Sensei uses the A9500 which means that every resolution above 5700 is interpolated, and the bad kind of interpolation at that.

Yeah 5701 to 11,400 is what SS revers to as the "Double CPI range", which SS doesn't explain in depth anywhere. I'm guessing is just literally doubling the input.

Their specifications page is a bit misleading, as it says

Our industry leading ExactTech settings, like ExactSens, ExactRate, ExactAim and more, are calculated directly on the mouse providing the user with a mouse movement that is completely free of any interpolation or extrapolation, without any delay, filtering and without using up memory or resources on the user’s computer.

But I'm pretty sure this only applies to a CPI setting between 1 and 5700, so it's kind of annoying that they list the mouse max CPI to 11,400 (you will note in the OP I have it listed properly under the full specs)

Regardless no one is ever going to need 11,400 CPI, and even if you did it would be totally unusable.

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Leetley Finland. April 10 2012 05:31. Posts 1784

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Okay, so recommend me a mouse. I've had my Razer Abyssus for a year now. It has served me quite well, but I want to experiment with other mice too. I'm looking something bit similiar to Abyssus. Light weight and small size, because I use the fingertip grip and have small hands. None or few as possible macro buttons as possible. Last, but not the least I would like to emphasize the build quality of the mouse that would last for a long time in regular use.

TheToast United States. April 10 2012 05:49. Posts 4804

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On April 10 2012 05:31 Leetley wrote:
Okay, so recommend me a mouse. I've had my Razer Abyssus for a year now. It has served me quite well, but I want to experiment with other mice too. I'm looking something bit similiar to Abyssus. Light weight and small size, because I use the fingertip grip and have small hands. None or few as possible macro buttons as possible. Last, but not the least I would like to emphasize the build quality of the mouse that would last for a long time in regular use.

Experiment with other mice. You devient, you.

Small and simple--I immediately though of the Zowie Mico. Some people love it, some not so much. (there are also reported issues with the sensor at 800 DPI) There's a thread on it here if you are curious.

Other than that, I would suggest you take a look at wo1fwood's guide in the OP, if you are looking for specific physical properties that's the best place to start.

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EtherealDeath United States. April 10 2012 16:32. Posts 8158

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So I've been having a persistent issue with my current Abyssus mouse, the Abyssus I had before that, and the Salmosa before that which is leading me to consider buying a Logitech G9x. 80% of the time I feel like there is lag on my mouse. Keep in mind I've turned off acceleration, even done the registry fix etc. But I can't shake the feeling most of the time that there is a perceivable delay between my hand movement and the mouse moving. Anyone else have this happen?

This happens even in Windows (Windows 7).

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Leetley Finland. April 10 2012 16:42. Posts 1784

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On April 10 2012 16:32 EtherealDeath wrote:
So I've been having a persistent issue with my current Abyssus mouse, the Abyssus I had before that, and the Salmosa before that which is leading me to consider buying a Logitech G9x. 80% of the time I feel like there is lag on my mouse. Keep in mind I've turned off acceleration, even done the registry fix etc. But I can't shake the feeling most of the time that there is a perceivable delay between my hand movement and the mouse moving. Anyone else have this happen?

This happens even in Windows (Windows 7).

Abyssus is very picky on the mousepad. If you're using other mousepad than the Goliathus control/speed, then it might be the issue.

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EtherealDeath United States. April 10 2012 16:49. Posts 8158

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On April 10 2012 16:42 Leetley wrote:

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Abyssus is very picky on the mousepad. If you're using other mousepad than the Goliathus control/speed, then it might be the issue.

Hmm interesting

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xlep Germany. April 10 2012 19:50. Posts 254

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I'm thinking about buying a Razer Mamba to replace my DeathAdder. First: I love the Deathadder but even though I use a bungee the cable is getting me to rage more often than I like. Since I don't have "one" sitting position on my desk the way to the bungee is always too long, too short or whatever. Also I like the Idea of getting an on-the-fly DPI adjusting I had with my good-old Logitech G5.

I've tried the mamba a bunch of times at retailers and since I love my DeathAdder I don't think I'll have a problem with the shell of the Mamba. What I'm not sure about is the reviews of the sensor I've read in this thread and elsewhere. Does anyone know if the problems still persist with the 2012 edition and adjusted lift-off-distance?
I'm normally using "lower" DPI settings if that influences the sensor performance (between 1600 and 2500)

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wo1fwood United States. April 10 2012 20:13. Posts 2271

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On April 10 2012 19:50 xlep wrote:
I'm thinking about buying a Razer Mamba to replace my DeathAdder. First: I love the Deathadder but even though I use a bungee the cable is getting me to rage more often than I like. Since I don't have "one" sitting position on my desk the way to the bungee is always too long, too short or whatever. Also I like the Idea of getting an on-the-fly DPI adjusting I had with my good-old Logitech G5.

I've tried the mamba a bunch of times at retailers and since I love my DeathAdder I don't think I'll have a problem with the shell of the Mamba. What I'm not sure about is the reviews of the sensor I've read in this thread and elsewhere. Does anyone know if the problems still persist with the 2012 edition and adjusted lift-off-distance?
I'm normally using "lower" DPI settings if that influences the sensor performance (between 1600 and 2500)

Yes the Lift-Off bug is still there, but the newer 4g sensors now track the return path to the mousepad, which reverses the original bug. That is however not the worst problem, you should read this whole post: http://www.overclock.net/t/1202476/razer-imperator-4g-the-great-and-the-currently-ugly

Also, 2500 cpi is a lot of cpi.

xlep Germany. April 10 2012 20:39. Posts 254

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On April 10 2012 20:13 wo1fwood wrote:

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thanks for the Information. I'll stay away from the mamba for now, until they release a firmware that let's you deactivate the acceleration. As for the DPI: that didn't come out the right way. I use 1600 most of the time but sometimes I just need a little more "response"

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TheToast United States. April 10 2012 23:00. Posts 4804

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On April 10 2012 20:39 xlep wrote:

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Also have to remember the Mamba is $120, you could get two death adders for that kind of money. 2012 edition, which you would probably want due to the longer battery life, is even more at $130. I'm sure the dual corded/wireless is nice (other issues with the mouse aside) but I honestly think it's crazy to spend that much on a mouse. Equally as good or better options for much less.

I'm assuming you have the razer drivers installed, correct? If so, make sure you have the polling rate set to 500hz or 1000hz in the driver configuration settings. (1000hz would be better, but will use a small amount more system resources if that's something you're concerned about) If it's truely set to 1000hz, that means Windows is polling the mouse once every milisecond. Shouldn't be any percievable lag.

Not sure I agree with Leetley that a mouse pad could cause the issue.

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wo1fwood United States. April 11 2012 00:22. Posts 2271

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Not sure I agree with Leetley that a mouse pad could cause the issue.

He's probably referring to the jitter/ripple issues that this mouse has with certain cloth mousepads. That's not going to cause lag issues tho.

Fuchsteufelswild Australia. April 11 2012 01:45. Posts 742

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I notice you have the IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 listed but no feedback on it is present in the OP.
I have this mouse and would compare it to mouse I had before it, which was just a beige Microsoft Multimedia mouse that came with the Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard 1.0a. I'm pretty sure that PS/2 keyboard people saw Elfi (I think it was Elfi) using at a tournament a month or two ago was the exact same one.
Anyway, in the case of both mouses, the buttons make quite a loud clicky sound which I personally did not mind too much, but others have complained about the exact feel of them. More serious is the issue that in both models, the mouse buttons seem to start having errors earlier than 2 years later, some people have reported only around a year before it starts screwing up, causing double-clicks when you single-click sometimes, sometimes treating clicks as drags. It is not constant, but it's a particularly bad problem to occur in Starcraft.
In addition, people comment that it is "too big and heavy". I don't find it looks so large, but it feels awkward somehow and I think that the original Multimedia mouse was actually better, at the same size, because I found the ambidextrous design more comfortable.
Finally, the four anti-stick/anti-slip pads at the bottom collect dirt that you feel inclined to clean out, which will only loosen the pads so that they'll just drop off sooner and if the glue actually collects around the sides of them, then it'll end up sticking anyway.
On the whole, I wouldn't say it's actually a bad mouse, but I won't be buying it again.
That was all without mentioning that it only goes to 450DPI and 125Hz Polling.
One final thing to mention is that a lot of people have enjoyed this mouse more after using programs to increase the polling to 500Hz, something that I am actually just about to try out. :D

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TheToast United States. April 11 2012 01:53. Posts 4804

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I have to say, I personally don't consider the MS IntelliMouse to be a legitimate gaming mouse, which is primarily the focus of this thread. It's listed in the OP simply because there is still a following for the thing within certain circles of the gaming community. For BW players and for certain FPS players 450 DPI is actually enough, but I think it would be pretty miserable playing any modern game.

I'll add your feedback into the OP, it might be useful for some individuals looking to purchase one of these.

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Fuchsteufelswild Australia. April 11 2012 04:21. Posts 742

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Yes, I agree with you actually! As you say though, people still look for these even, so it's nice to warn them about negative qualities they might not have heard about. Some people only know of the lower polling and just plan to change it .

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EdenPLusDucky Singapore. April 11 2012 05:01. Posts 566

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Hi, can anybody recommend me a light optical mouse with no side buttons that can change DPI settings on the fly? My 4 year old Logitech optical USB is about to die, and I don't want to replace it with another one

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Kambing United States. April 11 2012 06:17. Posts 1086

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On April 11 2012 01:53 TheToast wrote:
I have to say, I personally don't consider the MS IntelliMouse to be a legitimate gaming mouse, which is primarily the focus of this thread. It's listed in the OP simply because there is still a following for the thing within certain circles of the gaming community. For BW players and for certain FPS players 450 DPI is actually enough, but I think it would be pretty miserable playing any modern game.

I'll add your feedback into the OP, it might be useful for some individuals looking to purchase one of these.

My Kinzu sits at 400 CPI and I play sc2 and other games at high resolutions. Works fine for me.

TheToast United States. April 11 2012 06:28. Posts 4804

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On April 11 2012 06:17 Kambing wrote:

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My Kinzu sits at 400 CPI and I play sc2 and other games at high resolutions. Works fine for me.

Kinzu also has built in acceleration, which is going to artificially boost the speed of the cursor. Though it also decreases the accuracy of the mouse. I know for a fact there are people out there using the Intellimouse for SC2, some people are more comfortable moving the mouse wildly; though I think those people are in the minority.

On April 11 2012 05:01 EdenPLusDucky wrote:
Hi, can anybody recommend me a light optical mouse with no side buttons that can change DPI settings on the fly? My 4 year old Logitech optical USB is about to die, and I don't want to replace it with another one

Take a look at some of the resources in the OP, especially wo1fwood's comparison guide.

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EtherealDeath United States. April 11 2012 06:39. Posts 8158

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On April 10 2012 23:00 TheToast wrote:

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Yea it's set to 1000hz. I max out the polling rate for every mouse I use. I don't actually get jitter on this cheap mousepad, but just that perceivable delay in response. It's almost as if there were inertia/acceleration on the mouse at the beginning of movement, but I have acceleration disabled (and registry fixed as well), and if I turn acceleration back on I have a whollly all over the place uncontrollable mouse, so I'm assuming my problem isn't acceleration.

By uncontrollable I literally mean that, it has an unbelievable left bias with acceleration on, and is massively inconsistent in its tracking.

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