Koreans React to GSL Ro8 - Page 2
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JWD
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whoso
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Antoine
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Brewers
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Its not the players that are the problem, its how the game is designed. Blizzard wants variety, they want rushes to be viable, they dont want to "force" a certain playstyle upon people. So with this mindset from the developer, it'll continue. One topic that should be questioned though, is if the cheese is actually as easy or hard to do as it is to defend, this is where i'm hesitant for alot of terran strats, mainly beacause of the mule which allows terran to use their workers in attacks much more so than protoss and zergs. | ||
Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
How many thousands of games do the zergs have to play to figure out how to consistently beat this one strategy that takes little mechanics to pull off? | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:08 Brewers wrote: + Show Spoiler + All the blames for cheesy strategies in T vs Z are on fire at least in Korea TSL_Rain, who knocked out Nestea in GSL3 quarter final, is taking all the blames and shames from Korean SC2 communities for not being as qualified as Nestea overall but advancing to semi final with only cheesy all-ins. He has reached semi final beating all the opponents mostly by 2 rax or 4 rax with scv+bunker all ins since his first round (but not all games). Interestingly, TSL_Rain immediately posted "APOLOGY" on the biggest SC2 community in Korea. What he says was mainly about not showing as good games as the expectation for quarter final and matchups with Nestea. He certainly didn't want to go for early all-ins and had other plans deceiving the opponent by showing early pushes. But he won by early all-ins and apologized for that. His coach in team TSL responded to it right away. 'Don't blame but cheer him up for TSL_Rain's micro against the best defensive zerg 'Nestea' was his point. Okay, The following is what I think about the issue. In T v Z, early all-in marine+SCVs is not too good to watch paying $19.99 per season. Nestea is a better player than TSL_Rain when he goes into mid-games. I, as a fan who thinks it's worth paying money for GSL, want to see more quality games than early all-ins that players use because they don't know how to beat other ways. Or it might be true that terran players do not know the other ways because they use early all-ins all the time. Regardless, the quality of quarter final was not as satisfactory as GSL1 and 2 from fan's point of view. Now, as for TSL_Rain as a pro-gamer, taking all the blames for advancing to semi final as a worse player than Nestea, I don't think he should be that targeted. What people really want to talk to is the BLIZZARD balancing team. I don't want to talk about the balance here but people get mad when certain balance patches go wrong and mess up the whole game quality. Just think about why most terrans do all-ins at least one of their matches. Games are set so intense and motivating to win by cheesing. TSL_Rain shouldn't be the one people target at and blame. Or other cheesy players just like bitbybit.prime shouldn't be blamed too. The target has to be why players go only all-ins and reduce the quality of games. Once the opponent knows what the cheeser is going to do, the game should be favored to who knows what the opponent is going to do. But now, it's certainly not. At least Terran players have very higher chances of winning by cheesing than going into mid-meta games. Who would work unnecessarily harder?+ Show Spoiler + thats exactly the problem. even if you see that coming you still have a lesser chance to stop it effectively unless the cheeser makes some blunder. is like terran player has this ultimate instant dead card for emergency. about 4 months after release i think terran has fully found out all the design's flaws and utilise them for their wins. Mass reaper------>Foxer-->BBBprime/Rain Rain said sorry probably simply because deep down he knows that he didnt deserve the win (which is caused by blizzard's design ultimately). | ||
Dayvan
United States77 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:20 JWD wrote: Renamed the thread, to avoid wasting characters on [GSL Spoilers]. If anyone has a better idea for a thread title that will also make obvious that there are GSL results in here, pipe up. GSL Ro8 fan reaction? The fact that there is a fan reaction at all makes it clear there was an upset, no need to say which game the upset was in the title. | ||
aoe2fan
Sweden700 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:25 jalstar wrote: GSL Ro8 fan reaction? The fact that there is a fan reaction at all makes it clear there was an upset, no need to say which game the upset was in the title. Good idea. It's pretty presumptive to suppose that a fan reaction means an upset (could have been a special build, unlikely unit, disconnect, ceremony, or even just dominant 3-0 by winner) but better safe than sorry, in the thread title. | ||
Maggeus
France277 Posts
As Artosis said, going all-in is something every pro do. But what's important is when you do it. Just like when JD goes fast pool against Flash to punish a 14 CC, Rain went for a 2 into 4 rax against a 14 hatch. What's so wrong with that ? | ||
Brewers
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Lumin
United States217 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:28 Maggeus wrote: I stand to my opinion when the match finished : going hatch first in every game on every map cost Nestea the game. 2 rax into 4 rax marines is absolutely unstoppable on some maps if you are going to hatch first, coupled with some SCVs. As Artosis said, going all-in is something every pro do. But what's important is when you do it. Just like when JD goes fast pool against Flash to punish a 14 CC, Rain went for a 2 into 4 rax against a 14 hatch. What's so wrong with that ? There's absolutely nothing wrong with what Rain did and he shouldn't have to apologize for anything. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:28 Brewers wrote: Apology here for not putting a spoiler title. But somebody gotta help me out with how to edit the title. I've been spending more than 20 mins on how to edit the title!!! haha don't sweat it man. You can't edit thread titles, only mods can. Not your fault. | ||
Chill
Calgary25938 Posts
On December 07 2010 03:27 JWD wrote: Good idea. It's pretty presumptive to suppose that a fan reaction means an upset (could have been a special build, unlikely unit, disconnect, ceremony, or even just dominant 3-0 by winner) but better safe than sorry, in the thread title. lol wtf you took my rename and moved GSL ro8 spoiler to the end... -_- It's actually the exact same title lol | ||
DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
I thought people were used to this sort of thing. | ||
Ome
Canada157 Posts
And really, hatch first on SoW against a Terran that has been known to all-in? very risky. | ||
50bani
Romania480 Posts
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