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 smileyyy   Germany. December 15 2010 00:51. Posts 1807
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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange granted bail

Read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11989216
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The founder of whistle-blowing website Wikileaks has been granted bail in London on conditions including supply of a £200,000 surety.

But Julian Assange will remain in custody for at least 48 hours pending a possible appeal by prosecutors.

The 39-year-old Australian is fighting extradition to Sweden, where he is accused of sexually assaulting two women - charges he denies.

Other bail conditions include having to give up his passport.

He must also obey a curfew and wear an electronic tag.

Mr Assange was refused bail last week despite the offer of sureties from figures including film director Ken Loach.

A number of protesters gathered outside City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.


Update: Seems like Swedens persecutor voted vs the bail. Now its up to Londons Judge to rule within 48 hrs.

Ps: This soooooo fuuuucking retarded. I always liked Sweden but the whole Assagne fiasco is putting Sweden in a really bad light.....
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 DNB   Finland. December 15 2010 01:22. Posts 987
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Damn... Those prosecutors are really mad now...
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 Krigwin   December 15 2010 01:28. Posts 1130
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This bail is so exorbitant it's almost cartoonish. A $315,000 bail for a $800 crime, that isn't even violent?

If he was just some regular joe in the US in a different state than where he committed the crime, they wouldn't even care enough to arrest him, much less extradition.

I've seen people get out on $1000 bond for attempted murder, this is ridiculous.
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 Nizaris   Belgium. December 15 2010 01:33. Posts 2186
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On December 15 2010 01:28 Krigwin wrote:
This bail is so exorbitant it's almost cartoonish. A $315,000 bail for a $800 crime, that isn't even violent?

If he was just some regular joe in the US in a different state than where he committed the crime, they wouldn't even care enough to arrest him, much less extradition.

I've seen people get out on $1000 bond for attempted murder, this is ridiculous.

Ya sure sounds like the judge wasn't influenced at all.

this dude sums up my thoughts pretty well


Furthermore, I am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving as it continues its work to expose the crimes that were concocted in secret and carried out in our name and with our tax dollars.

We were taken to war in Iraq on a lie. Hundreds of thousands are now dead. Just imagine if the men who planned this war crime back in 2002 had had a WikiLeaks to deal with. They might not have been able to pull it off. The only reason they thought they could get away with it was because they had a guaranteed cloak of secrecy. That guarantee has now been ripped from them, and I hope they are never able to operate in secret again.

So why is WikiLeaks, after performing such an important public service, under such vicious attack? Because they have outed and embarrassed those who have covered up the truth. The assault on them has been over the top.
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 iMAniaC   Norway. December 15 2010 02:56. Posts 485
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I'm having a hard time with that sentence. In our democracies we have something called Precedent, meaning that when one case is ruled in a certain way, it sets the rule for how subsequent cases should be solved. I have two problems with this particular case:

1) I can't believe this is the first time in history that someone has been tried in British courts for a similar violation of another contry's laws, and I can't believe that the previous sentence was anywhere near what Assange got. Thus, the precedent was not followed.

2) If this is indeed the first time someone has been tried for such a violation of another country's laws, this sets the precedent for all subsequent cases, meaning that if you fuck someone without a condom in the future, you damn sure don't want to be caught for it in England! In that case, it'd be much better to swim across the channel, hike from France to Sweden, pay up your 800$ and be a free man instead of this bullshit.

Of course, if there was any sane rationale behind it, feel free to correct me, I admit I haven't done the best of searches for it.
 
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 party   Germany. December 15 2010 02:59. Posts 76
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assange stays in jail for now. prosecution contested the bail decision so the highest uk court has to make a decision within 48 hrs....
all the time
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 Krikkitone   United States. December 15 2010 03:29. Posts 1220
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On December 15 2010 02:56 iMAniaC wrote:
I'm having a hard time with that sentence. In our democracies we have something called Precedent, meaning that when one case is ruled in a certain way, it sets the rule for how subsequent cases should be solved. I have two problems with this particular case:

1) I can't believe this is the first time in history that someone has been tried in British courts for a similar violation of another contry's laws, and I can't believe that the previous sentence was anywhere near what Assange got. Thus, the precedent was not followed.

2) If this is indeed the first time someone has been tried for such a violation of another country's laws, this sets the precedent for all subsequent cases, meaning that if you fuck someone without a condom in the future, you damn sure don't want to be caught for it in England! In that case, it'd be much better to swim across the channel, hike from France to Sweden, pay up your 800$ and be a free man instead of this bullshit.

Of course, if there was any sane rationale behind it, feel free to correct me, I admit I haven't done the best of searches for it.


1. He hasn't been sentenced, his Bail is being set. Bail has less to do with the crime, and more to do with ensuring you come and stand trial (if Julian actually returns to the court room that 200,000 goes right back in his pocket.. or whoever paid it for him) Julian is definitely a flight risk given his lifestyle.

2. I'm pretty sure He isn't being tried for the crime in the UK, he is being 'tried' to see if the UK will extradite him to Sweden. And They will try him, and then sentence him.

There probably won't be any sentence in this case until at least March, maybe June.
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 iMAniaC   Norway. December 15 2010 04:26. Posts 485
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Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification. Well, I guess (thanksfully) it's not as harsh as it seemed. Perhaps I can reassert my faith in general European legal systems - at least until March or maybe June

(And thank you for explaining Bail for me, I had actually misunderstood it. If I had known exactly how it worked, I probably would not have jumped to the wrong conclusions. It's so rarely used in Norway that I had to check wikipedia to find out if we even had it).
 
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 IrT4nkz   December 15 2010 04:36. Posts 227
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This has got to be a bad joke in a movie. A country is requesting someone to be extradited cause his condom broke during CONSENSUAL sex.

I got no idea what Sweden is doing right now apart from making their legal system look like a joke to the world. (no offense).
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 Jswizzy   United States. December 15 2010 07:35. Posts 755
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Michael Moore is offering to post his bail and he wrote up an article on what he thinks. I don't really have an opinion on Moore since I've never bothered to watch any of his films but he makes some good points. And I was surprised how ignorant and outraged some US politicians are.

I mean just how dumb is this+ Show Spoiler +
**Sen. Joe Lieberman says WikiLeaks "has violated the Espionage Act."

**The New Yorker's George Packer calls Assange "super-secretive, thin-skinned, [and] megalomaniacal."

**Sarah Palin claims he's "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands" whom we should pursue "with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders."

*emocrat Bob Beckel (Walter Mondale's 1984 campaign manager) said about Assange on Fox: "A dead man can't leak stuff ... there's only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch."

**Republican Mary Matalin says "he's a psychopath, a sociopath ... He's a terrorist."

**Rep. Peter A. King calls WikiLeaks a "terrorist organization.""


http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/why-im-posting-bail-money
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  MisterPuppy   December 15 2010 07:41. Posts 161Profile # 
fuck everything about assange. go find a kid on the street and ask him 5 different cables that were leaked and they can't answer it, ask the same kid about assange's attention whoring and he'll give you every detail.
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 hp.Shell   United States. December 15 2010 07:45. Posts 1682
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Half a million dollars says the CIA has infiltrated WikiLeaks and will begin releasing false data to disrupt WL's credibility. They'll do whatever they can to make people disbelieve the insurance file. I guess we'll just have to pick what we want to believe from WikiLeaks now, just like all the other sources of "facts" and "information"....

Ugh. Assange is not doing anything violent. He's not a terrorist. Talk about 1984. I really hope people start rioting in the streets over this.
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 Krikkitone   United States. December 15 2010 12:13. Posts 1220
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On December 15 2010 07:45 hp.Shell wrote:
Half a million dollars says the CIA has infiltrated WikiLeaks and will begin releasing false data to disrupt WL's credibility. They'll do whatever they can to make people disbelieve the insurance file. I guess we'll just have to pick what we want to believe from WikiLeaks now, just like all the other sources of "facts" and "information"....

Ugh. Assange is not doing anything violent. He's not a terrorist. Talk about 1984. I really hope people start rioting in the streets over this.


will begin?... Wikileaks was established by the CIA and has provided the majority of their government leaks.

You do realize those diplomatic cables are plants... they are trial baloons designed to test world opinion and reactions. (some actual facts are mixed in to make it seem verifiable)
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  Zerokaiser   Canada. December 15 2010 16:12. Posts 885Profile Blog # 

On December 15 2010 07:35 Jswizzy wrote:

**Sarah Palin claims he's "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands" whom we should pursue "with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders."



I really wish they pursued him with the same urgency they do Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders; he'd never be caught.
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 BuGzlToOnl   United States. December 15 2010 16:34. Posts 5916
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On December 15 2010 16:12 Zerokaiser wrote:

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On December 15 2010 07:35 Jswizzy wrote:

**Sarah Palin claims he's "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands" whom we should pursue "with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders."



I really wish they pursued him with the same urgency they do Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders; he'd never be caught.



Hehe.
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 ShadowDrgn   United States. December 15 2010 16:35. Posts 2364
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On December 15 2010 16:12 Zerokaiser wrote:

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On December 15 2010 07:35 Jswizzy wrote:

**Sarah Palin claims he's "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands" whom we should pursue "with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders."



I really wish they pursued him with the same urgency they do Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders; he'd never be caught.



The "#2 man in the organization" would be killed every 6 months though!
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
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 Krigwin   December 16 2010 03:00. Posts 1130
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Swedish authorities appeal the decision to grant bail to Assange:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/15/uk.wikileaks.investigation/index.html

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London (CNN) -- An appeal by Swedish authorities against the decision to grant bail to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange will take place Thursday at the High Court in London, a spokesman said.

The court did not specify a time.

Assange handed himself over to London police last week to answer a European arrest warrant from Sweden, which wants to question him over alleged sex crimes.

He was granted bail Tuesday, but he remained behind bars because a lawyer for Swedish prosecutors immediately filed an appeal.

Assange is facing accusations of rape, sexual molestation and illegal use of force stemming from separate incidents in August in Stockholm. He could be sentenced to two years in prison if convicted. He has not been charged with a crime.

His lawyers deny the allegations and have vowed to fight any attempts at extradition.

The magistrate agreed to grant bail Tuesday after Vaughan Smith, a former British army officer who founded a popular London journalist haunt called the Frontline Club, testified that Assange could stay at his mansion in Suffolk, northeast of London.

Smith will keep Assange "if not under house arrest, at least under mansion arrest," said defense attorney Geoffrey Robertson.

Assange finds celebrity supporters

Under the terms the magistrate set, Assange must post bail at 200,000 pounds (about $315,000) plus two sureties of 20,000 pounds each (about $31,500). Assange's passport must remain with police, and he will be monitored by a location tag.

Assange must be at Smith's mansion for at least four hours overnight and four hours during the day. He will be required to report to police daily between 6 and 8 p.m. The next court hearing on Assange's extradition was scheduled for January 11.

Outside the court, about 100 people demonstrated in support of Assange, holding signs saying "Julian Assange is a political prisoner" and "Why are you shooting the messenger?" and "This is not 1984."

Judge Howard Riddle denied Assange's first request for bail at a hearing on December 7 on the grounds that there was a risk he would fail to surrender.

Tuesday, he cited four reasons for his insistence a week earlier to keep Assange in jail: his lack of fixed residence, confusion over when and how he last entered the United Kingdom, the evidence against him in Sweden, and a dispute over whether Assange is wanted only for questioning or for prosecution.

Smith's offer of his mansion satisfied Riddle on the question of an address, and testimony from someone who arrived in Britain with Assange from Switzerland answered that question, he said.

He said he was not taking a position on the Swedish evidence against Assange, and that a future hearing would have to determine whether Assange was wanted for questioning or prosecution.

WikiLeaks' release of thousands of secret U.S. diplomatic and military documents is under criminal review in the United States. The website angered U.S. authorities last month by publishing the first of some 250,000 confidential U.S. diplomatic cables.

Last week, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said he had authorized "significant" actions related to a criminal investigation into WikiLeaks' publication of the materials but has declined to elaborate.

Only a small fraction of the 250,000 U.S. State Department documents have been released and more are being published daily.

U.S. authorities and other Western leaders say the documents' publication threatens lives and national security. WikiLeaks and its supporters say that the public has a right to know what is going on behind diplomatic doors.

Okay, let me see if I'm getting the chain of events here correctly:

Assange was arrested and imprisoned in London despite having committed no crime in the UK for allegations made in Sweden despite not being charged with any actual crimes and now Swedish authorities despite only wanting him for questioning are appealing a completely different government's decision to grant him bail despite him not actually being on trial for any crimes in that country.

Okay, am I living in the Twilight Zone now? Does this make sense to anyone else? Is my mind collapsing in on itself?
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 VIB   Brazil. December 16 2010 03:03. Posts 3567
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On December 16 2010 03:00 Krigwin wrote:
Okay, am I living in the Twilight Zone now? Does this make sense to anyone else? Is my mind collapsing in on itself?
Haha I was just thinking the same thing It's like a parallel universe where cats eats dogs and savior destroyed everyone in 2009.
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 Nyx   Rwanda. December 16 2010 04:16. Posts 460
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On December 16 2010 03:00 Krigwin wrote:
Swedish authorities appeal the decision to grant bail to Assange:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/15/uk.wikileaks.investigation/index.html

+ Show Spoiler +
London (CNN) -- An appeal by Swedish authorities against the decision to grant bail to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange will take place Thursday at the High Court in London, a spokesman said.

The court did not specify a time.

Assange handed himself over to London police last week to answer a European arrest warrant from Sweden, which wants to question him over alleged sex crimes.

He was granted bail Tuesday, but he remained behind bars because a lawyer for Swedish prosecutors immediately filed an appeal.

Assange is facing accusations of rape, sexual molestation and illegal use of force stemming from separate incidents in August in Stockholm. He could be sentenced to two years in prison if convicted. He has not been charged with a crime.

His lawyers deny the allegations and have vowed to fight any attempts at extradition.

The magistrate agreed to grant bail Tuesday after Vaughan Smith, a former British army officer who founded a popular London journalist haunt called the Frontline Club, testified that Assange could stay at his mansion in Suffolk, northeast of London.

Smith will keep Assange "if not under house arrest, at least under mansion arrest," said defense attorney Geoffrey Robertson.

Assange finds celebrity supporters

Under the terms the magistrate set, Assange must post bail at 200,000 pounds (about $315,000) plus two sureties of 20,000 pounds each (about $31,500). Assange's passport must remain with police, and he will be monitored by a location tag.

Assange must be at Smith's mansion for at least four hours overnight and four hours during the day. He will be required to report to police daily between 6 and 8 p.m. The next court hearing on Assange's extradition was scheduled for January 11.

Outside the court, about 100 people demonstrated in support of Assange, holding signs saying "Julian Assange is a political prisoner" and "Why are you shooting the messenger?" and "This is not 1984."

Judge Howard Riddle denied Assange's first request for bail at a hearing on December 7 on the grounds that there was a risk he would fail to surrender.

Tuesday, he cited four reasons for his insistence a week earlier to keep Assange in jail: his lack of fixed residence, confusion over when and how he last entered the United Kingdom, the evidence against him in Sweden, and a dispute over whether Assange is wanted only for questioning or for prosecution.

Smith's offer of his mansion satisfied Riddle on the question of an address, and testimony from someone who arrived in Britain with Assange from Switzerland answered that question, he said.

He said he was not taking a position on the Swedish evidence against Assange, and that a future hearing would have to determine whether Assange was wanted for questioning or prosecution.

WikiLeaks' release of thousands of secret U.S. diplomatic and military documents is under criminal review in the United States. The website angered U.S. authorities last month by publishing the first of some 250,000 confidential U.S. diplomatic cables.

Last week, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said he had authorized "significant" actions related to a criminal investigation into WikiLeaks' publication of the materials but has declined to elaborate.

Only a small fraction of the 250,000 U.S. State Department documents have been released and more are being published daily.

U.S. authorities and other Western leaders say the documents' publication threatens lives and national security. WikiLeaks and its supporters say that the public has a right to know what is going on behind diplomatic doors.

Okay, let me see if I'm getting the chain of events here correctly:

Assange was arrested and imprisoned in London despite having committed no crime in the UK for allegations made in Sweden despite not being charged with any actual crimes and now Swedish authorities despite only wanting him for questioning are appealing a completely different government's decision to grant him bail despite him not actually being on trial for any crimes in that country.

Okay, am I living in the Twilight Zone now? Does this make sense to anyone else? Is my mind collapsing in on itself?


Nope, an interpol red notice was issued. Which means the UK is requested to arrest him and extradite him to the relevant country.

Of course, they have to do neither, but it is in their international interest to follow through with the request of another European country. This is what will be decided in his UK trial.

edit: wow it was an european arrest warrant too
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 Alou   United States. December 16 2010 04:22. Posts 3747
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