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You gotta expect animosity at higher levels, because people get crazy amount of stress playing competitively in diamond levels. As Tasteless and many others have noted, it is very difficult to handle such stress, and talking casually with your opponent is about the last thing on one's mind.
However, talking trash and insulting other player is a totally different thing though, imo.
On the last note, while this may actually be true for some people, I find your statement of 'playing casually at competitive level' rather ironic and as something that's very hard or even impossible to achieve.
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I've played 100+ games in each league and have found BM and rage to be pretty rare in all of them.
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i dont understand how people can get so discouraged from BM text in a video game. how do you deal with any sort of rudeness or BM in real life?
if youre winning, who cares? just play
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i'm in high diamond (or was... insane losing streak T_T coming back thoo) and i haven't found too much bm. a "gl hf" with a smilie is often times returned
but like lucifer said, it's the really competitive people that go higher up, and a certain amount of raging is to be expected out of competitive people. don't mind them too much - just keep being nice and ignore the ones that give you a hard time.
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I think skill vs manner can be modelled as shown below
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Here's the general experience I've had from going from bronze to plat:
Bronze: Most people humble noobs who have no idea what we're doing (nothing wrong with that). gm most of the time.
Silver/gold: Over here, there's a bunch of bitches who think we have all the answers but aren't actually good enough to know what we're talking about. When they see something new and unexpected, they can't handle the fact that they didn't prepare or were outplayed. I think this where you are right now, and I've definitely been there before.
Plat: we're actually pretty ok at the game and play the game seriously enough to be pretty gm. I find that a lot of us know enough about the game to understand that we have significant weakness to work on and won't be sore losers.
Diamond: ?. It sounds like the bad manners die down significantly at this point. Hoping to find out someday.
So yeah, silver/gold is pretty aggravating to be in, but it gets better the more you play and the higher up you go. And yes, finding friends to play with is fantastic.
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Out of about 550 games on my main account from lower gold on release to mid-diamond (1.8k) now i had exactly one bad mannered person.
I started a second account and threw the placement matches to see how many games i need to get from bronze to diamond and out of the 20 games until now there was one silver league player flaming me (maybe because he got roflstomped so hard that it became frustrating for him).
Maybe EU has better manners, but i definatly don't see a higher league - worse manners relation. Maybe it's time to create an NA account, i want to get flamed, too :-(
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I'm sorry to hear this. I definitely think people in Bronze/Silver are the ones that approach the game more casually. Therefore, they're more relaxed about playing the game, which is nice.
Then as you get to Platinum and low/mid Diamond and you get the ones that take the game very seriously but also lack refinement.
Then you get to the higher ranks and though people also take the game seriously there, they are usually more tacit and stone-faced when it comes to winning or losing.
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bronze = bad people who usually realize they're bad
silver-gold = really awful people who think they're at top diamond level
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Actually leagues Bronze and Silver aren't the ones that should be compared as "higher leagues=higher bm?". But, I can say this: Low leagues, namely GSB, don't really have many BM players. Actually I don't remember too many occasions where my opponents went BM before I did.
And, there are players like me who casually BM. Sometimes I just BM because I get bored. Sometimes I BM because of a rl issue is bugging me. There are times that I did this kind of things.
Also, you can meet a person who BM'd you or insulted you so hard in a practice group and he acts just fine.
EDIT:
On December 10 2010 16:07 Fantistic wrote:
We can put Boyardee right above Naniwa.
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On December 10 2010 13:57 Flying_Cake wrote: Does it really matter? Continue to play for fun, ignore them and there you go. : )
Like you know, the world is full of these types of people... Starcraft II is no different. Hopefully you wont run in in them often. Lets hope you come across more respectful players that will be happy to talk to you after a game whatever the outcome of the match.
I do this, ignore everything. Im not friendle or hostile. I just hope they think that I dont understand english. I do not want to chat when Im playing. Some players might find it very rude that I do not reply, but I just hope they think I dont know english.
Some players are like Huk, friendly and loves to chat, some are like Idra fucking obnoxious with his BM and whining (although funny at times like in the Huk replay "Fuck this game").
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On December 10 2010 15:47 LuciferSC wrote: You gotta expect animosity at higher levels, because people get crazy amount of stress playing competitively in diamond levels. As Tasteless and many others have noted, it is very difficult to handle such stress, and talking casually with your opponent is about the last thing on one's mind.
This exactly. I gg if I thought it was genuinely a good game but if someone 2 rax marine rushes me then bunker walloffs or pylon blocks/cannon rushes me, I generally don't gg. I don't consider it 'bad manner' I just think that saying 'good game' after a game that really was not good, is just weird.
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On December 10 2010 13:52 Manifesto7 wrote: The key is to find the manner ones, form a group together, and enjoy playing together. That way you can cut the bullshit out of battle.net and just enjoy the game.
Quoted again because it didn't get enough attention.
My friends and I (a group of about 300 SPARTANS), much prefer playing Best of 3 series or tournaments in house than laddering.
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I have found out that it's human nature to be arrogant and rude, for men at least. Having higher league status only amplifies that because then they feel they have a reason to be arrogant and rude. Because you know, you are beneath them.
I wouldn't get offended or angry over it. It's not you.
But talking in middle of the match just puts me off balance, I don't have time to think about replies to your "from where?" queries.
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It makes sense when you really think about it
Those at the lower levels are casual; they more or less just play for fun. Those at the medium-diamond are serious and wish they were really good, but aren't, and are often mad and take it out on others Those at the very top are that good, and usually are better-mannered
Most BM I think comes from those who think/wish they are good but aren't, and there are more of those the higher up you go on the ladder until you start hitting the top, where it slides back down. Of course there are those that BM just to troll also.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was the case that higher-level players are more BM. People in Platinum and below are just complete casuals. If they lose, oh well. You can't win them all. But once you start getting into Diamond, where people think they're the shit, any loss is a direct insult to their skill.
Conversely, Diamond players also play a lot, so some respect their own hobby enough to be manner.
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I have played over 340 games (on all levels) so far and I have NEVER encountered BM. I have serious problems believing the OP.
Some games ok. Maybe. But every day? You are doing something wrong yourself.
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the more you play the more frustrated you will be with the ladder. At first i was good mannered with everyone, then i started to get frustrated, to thte point i BMed pretty much everyone, even though some of them hardly deserved it. What i do now is to not get into conversation with them at all, this way it feels like playing vs AI, less urge to actually rage. Getting good trough laddering and enjoying the game do not go hand in hand. every mass gamert has about 51-55% winrate, that means they lose every second game they play on a normal day. On a bad day they lose more then they win.
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i feel that the manners are like a parabola with the Y being manners, and the X being those ranked higher
of course there are exceptions, but usually the ones that think they are way better than they are (low diamonds usually it would seem) seem to be rude more often then their counterparts.
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