| LSB United States. January 11 2011 12:11. Posts 3792 | Profile Blog # |
On January 11 2011 10:24 Fishball wrote:
First of all, I don't know what LSB meant by Traitor is suicide. Traitor is not a Village Idiot. He doesn't win if he die.
I forgot who I was quoting, but someone wanted to assign the traitor to the draft lift. Only problem is that if you got assigned that spot, the town would lynch you day 1. |
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| LSB United States. January 11 2011 12:14. Posts 3792 | Profile Blog # |
On January 11 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote:
##Aidnai
An easy choice. If hes not mafia, then fishball's speculation loses some cred, and it would seem mroe likely he picked traitor (still waiting for layoff to post his reasons why), but if aidnai is red, there could be easy scum lynches in that little pack. It's an opportunity on 1st lynch. Doesn't happen all that often.
This doesn't sound like analysis Bum. It sounds like the good old "we can get information from this lynch! yay!"
I want to warn people that it is incredibly easy to misread Aidnai as scum. I used him in Harry Potter to divert the lynch. |
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| Beneather Canada. January 11 2011 12:14. Posts 438 | Profile # |
On January 11 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote:
##Aidnai
An easy choice. If hes not mafia, then fishball's speculation loses some cred, and it would seem mroe likely he picked traitor (still waiting for layoff to post his reasons why), but if aidnai is red, there could be easy scum lynches in that little pack. It's an opportunity on 1st lynch. Doesn't happen all that often.
If I'm not corrected but if Aidnai does have traitor then the Copy Cat power works and that person gets traitor as well. Do we really want to work on another traitor? Honestly I wouldn't. We have to be very careful of our first lynch if we lynch a traitor then CopyCat gets that role and we have another traitor. We really just don't want Copy Cat getting the role traitor from our first lynch. |
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| LSB United States. January 11 2011 12:18. Posts 3792 | Profile Blog # |
On January 11 2011 12:14 Beneather wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote:
##Aidnai
An easy choice. If hes not mafia, then fishball's speculation loses some cred, and it would seem mroe likely he picked traitor (still waiting for layoff to post his reasons why), but if aidnai is red, there could be easy scum lynches in that little pack. It's an opportunity on 1st lynch. Doesn't happen all that often.
If I'm not corrected but if Aidnai does have traitor then the Copy Cat power works and that person gets traitor as well. Do we really want to work on another traitor? Honestly I wouldn't. We have to be very careful of our first lynch if we lynch a traitor then CopyCat gets that role and we have another traitor. We really just don't want Copy Cat getting the role traitor from our first lynch.
Well, if that occurs we just Release the Deconduo! onto the Copycat. |
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| LSB United States. January 11 2011 12:19. Posts 3792 | Profile Blog # |
Interesting. What if the pardoner decides to pardon the day 1 lynch?
That way if mafia/sk successfully shoots one of the good blues, it won't be a loss as the copycat will just pick it up |
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| Beneather Canada. January 11 2011 12:29. Posts 438 | Profile # |
Sure we can release Deconduo but one problem... How will we know who is the CopyCat? Also if he doesn't do as we say we can just lynch him and we get rid of the dangerous CPR Doctor.
The only one I can see the pardoner being used to save someone to be lynched is if they were mafia. That is a really strong mafia role. As it saves the mafia and then they can just use their KP at night saving that person for another day. |
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| LSB United States. January 11 2011 12:36. Posts 3792 | Profile Blog # |
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. |
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| Pigsquirrel United States. January 11 2011 12:53. Posts 561 | Profile # |
I'm getting a bit suspicious of LSB. As soon as alignment PMs came out, he cut all compromises and went back to a complete role list, which, even with two docs, gives scum a very useful tool.
On January 11 2011 12:14 LSB wrote:
I want to warn people that it is incredibly easy to misread Aidnai as scum. I used him in Harry Potter to divert the lynch.
He's defending Aidnai, which alone is not very scummy, but the fact that he's defending a borderline inactive by basically saying "He looks scummy but I swear he isn't!"
This doesn't sound like analysis Bum. It sounds like the good old "we can get information from this lynch! yay!"
And what's wrong with offing an inactive for information? Unless of course you are scumbuddies / LSB picked traitor...
On January 11 2011 10:01 aidnai wrote:
I haven't even cared enough to read all the posts in here.
Seriously? Why defend somebody who says how little they care about the game unless you have ulterior motives.
to sum op: Suspicious of LSB, Voting for Aidnai
##Aidnai
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| Beneather Canada. January 11 2011 12:54. Posts 438 | Profile # |
| But if a townie is being lynched then doesn't that mean that the majority of the town agree that this person is scum/traitor. Really if the person does pardon them it means that person is even more of a chance of being scum. I think if the person gets pardoned we should just get our CPR Doc. to just kill him. |
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| kitaman27 United States. January 11 2011 12:56. Posts 4544 | Profile Blog # |
On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.
At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal.
##Vote LayOffRage
Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion. |
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| LSB United States. January 11 2011 12:56. Posts 3792 | Profile Blog # |
Good point.
I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up. |
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| Beneather Canada. January 11 2011 13:02. Posts 438 | Profile # |
On January 11 2011 12:56 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.
At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal. ##Vote LayOffRage Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion.
But how would they have the role of their choice if they do not know who picked what in the draft since people didn't follow the LSB's plan. If they did and got Copy Cat + Pardoner they could easily have got the role that they wanted, but luckily people didn't. |
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| GGQ Canada. January 11 2011 13:03. Posts 2466 | Profile Blog # |
On January 11 2011 12:56 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.
At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal. ##Vote LayOffRage Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion.
Mafia only gets the role of their choice if they can predict what everyone chose, which may be difficult considering how many people said they weren't going to follow a role picking plan.
I want to hear LayOffRage's reason for calling Fishball the traitor. Was it supposed to be a joke, or do you have some secret reasoning? |
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| Pigsquirrel United States. January 11 2011 13:03. Posts 561 | Profile # |
On January 11 2011 12:56 LSB wrote:
Good point.
I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up.
Adding to above, LSB agrees right away with a plan that, according to the post directly above him, "then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice"
It's a real gamble to pardon day 1 lynch unless we know whether or not CC is scum, or even who the copy cat is. If the CC did not pick who he was supposed to and it was taken by scum later in the draft, we are screwed if the mafia gets a hidden bonus KP.
I think we need to lynch a useless (to the mafia) role on day 1 to eliminate the risk of scum getting a copy of a dangerous role. |
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| LayOffRage January 11 2011 13:05. Posts 52 | Profile # |
My reasoning is that I attempted to pick the traitor role and it was already gone. so someone above my draft pick took it. If you read earlier fishball refused to pick any of the suggested roles which made me think he was most likely the one who took my role.
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| zeks Canada. January 11 2011 13:06. Posts 1055 | Profile Blog # |
##abstain
incase i somehow dont get to vote tomorrow
day 1 pardon = no |
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| Beneather Canada. January 11 2011 13:10. Posts 438 | Profile # |
On January 11 2011 13:03 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:56 LSB wrote:
Good point.
I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up.
Adding to above, LSB agrees right away with a plan that, according to the post directly above him, "then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice" It's a real gamble to pardon day 1 lynch unless we know whether or not CC is scum, or even who the copy cat is. If the CC did not pick who he was supposed to and it was taken by scum later in the draft, we are screwed if the mafia gets a hidden bonus KP. I think we need to lynch a useless (to the mafia) role on day 1 to eliminate the risk of scum getting a copy of a dangerous role.
How is it a gamble to pardon? Pardoning is a scum role so if we force a pardon then they get to choose who to kill. We'll also know that the person who got pardoned is mafia and we can just use CPR Doc. on him. Also Pardoner can only use once so we don't have to worry about anymore of those.
I also suggest at night that the doctors should protect the CPR Doc. On the first night so that CC doesn't get CPR Doc if he is mafia. |
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| LayOffRage January 11 2011 13:11. Posts 52 | Profile # |
##Vote: Fishball
I view him most likely to be the traitor. |
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| Pigsquirrel United States. January 11 2011 13:13. Posts 561 | Profile # |
On January 11 2011 13:10 Beneather wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 13:03 Pigsquirrel wrote:
On January 11 2011 12:56 LSB wrote:
Good point.
I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up.
Adding to above, LSB agrees right away with a plan that, according to the post directly above him, "then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice" It's a real gamble to pardon day 1 lynch unless we know whether or not CC is scum, or even who the copy cat is. If the CC did not pick who he was supposed to and it was taken by scum later in the draft, we are screwed if the mafia gets a hidden bonus KP. I think we need to lynch a useless (to the mafia) role on day 1 to eliminate the risk of scum getting a copy of a dangerous role.
How is it a gamble to pardon? Pardoning is a scum role so if we force a pardon then they get to choose who to kill. We'll also know that the person who got pardoned is mafia and we can just use CPR Doc. on him. Also Pardoner can only use once so we don't have to worry about anymore of those. I also suggest at night that the doctors should protect the CPR Doc. On the first night so that CC doesn't get CPR Doc if he is mafia.
No. I'm saying that pardoning day 1 lynch is a gamble because if CC is scum, mafia gets a free role of their choice. What do we get from pardoning day 1? Using up a scummy role's power. What's the risk: Potentially giving scum a free copy of whatever role they want. Doesn't seem worth it to me, especially considering that we can just pardon day 2 and get all the benefit without giving scum a free role. |
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| Pigsquirrel United States. January 11 2011 13:15. Posts 561 | Profile # |
Adding: To justify my suspicion of LSB:
He supports and incredibly high risk plan right away, and has since before the game has even started. |
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