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Jackal58
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Jackal58
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And a question I asked in another game that I got no answer to. Was TL off line this afternoon? Or do I have connection issues I have to deal with at work? | ||
Jackal58
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And role confirmed. | ||
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i shall attempt to stick to LSBs plan but I'm still not sure how this all works yet. | ||
Jackal58
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On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order. | ||
Jackal58
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On January 11 2011 05:10 HaploPaithan wrote: Yes, I think we should know what he picked before we make a decision. I don't think we're going to find out anytime soon unless we lynch him. | ||
Jackal58
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On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat. But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. 1 of the 4 above me is the copy cat. I'm just green. | ||
Jackal58
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On January 11 2011 16:24 Barundar wrote: I’m not convinced on aidnai. In HPmafia he posted one liners, discussed setup in thread etc., and it was easy to direct the day 1 lynch on to him. This post is from when he was actually scum and was being pressured in ExMiMa: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 14:53 aidnai wrote: So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time). Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts: RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit. Verdict: townie vs. townie. Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet. Verdict: townie vs. townie. That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted: Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests. And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date: Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all. on that note: ##vote fishball P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_- I like Fishball’s suggestion of a policy lynch on LayOffRage, but we could also use the pardoner for a 0 lynch, and let mafia decide the CopyCat role. The reasons for this plan is: First, we know where the CopyCat role is, since Jackal58 said he would follow LSB’s plan. When mafia pick off one of our power roles, he should receive it, and they will have to waste a hit on him night 2 as well. If Jackal58 is still alive on day 3, we can lynch his ass (or he can put the role to use). Second, if Jackal58 is lying about picking CopyCat, we found our traitor. We might have lost an important power role to the real copy cat, but we got one red down. It’s a loss of a role for a red, which is in my opinion a decent trade, as long as deconduo and kitaman are medic protected. It would be nice to hear from Jackal58 if he can actually confirm he got the CopyCat role. On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote: I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order. I probably should have made this clearer. I did not get copy cat. That is the role I picked per LSBs list but I am just vanilla green. 1 of the 4 above me on the draft list is copy cat. | ||
Jackal58
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Jackal58
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On January 12 2011 04:32 aidnai wrote: We have a couple lurkers so far. I've never played with you zeks and don't know your style, but it's time to start posting more. + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2011 10:08 zeks wrote: last time we had a plan and we still had 2 people pick traitor within the top 6 if i remember correctly On January 09 2011 07:01 zeks wrote: I randomed as well. As town we're all just as effective with or without powerful roles - its just a matter of how you use it. Besides after the draft results come out we'll still have time to figure out a better plan if need be. I actually like the PYP2 plan with the percentages and what not, just so theres not a clear cut drafting order for scum/SKs to easily exploit. I know as SK last PYP I really contemplated what to pick from that plan and it made it tougher for me. On January 09 2011 12:36 zeks wrote: I was [3][1]. On January 10 2011 08:58 zeks wrote: According to LSB's plan I'm supposed to take Tracker - and for many reasons others have listed I'm not going to follow it fully. As a cover my ass tactic I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch. On January 10 2011 12:50 zeks wrote: Finger of suspicion like Fishball said On January 11 2011 09:35 zeks wrote: We should be using CPR as an extra town lynch. Infact the CPR should be working with town goals and not randomly hitting people every night - so even if decon is infact scum we can still control his power or risk himself getting lynched. On January 11 2011 13:06 zeks wrote: ##abstain incase i somehow dont get to vote tomorrow day 1 pardon = no And you Jackal58, I thought you were an obvious green read in MafiaXXXV despite posting infrequently, but I haven't got the same read from you here yet. Please help us out and pick up the pace a bit. + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2011 12:03 Jackal58 wrote: Thanks man. All that would load for me this afternoon was the banner. And role confirmed. On January 09 2011 22:37 Jackal58 wrote: [6] [9] i shall attempt to stick to LSBs plan but I'm still not sure how this all works yet. On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote: I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order. On January 11 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote: I don't think we're going to find out anytime soon unless we lynch him. On January 11 2011 19:21 Jackal58 wrote: 1 of the 4 above me is the copy cat. I'm just green. On January 11 2011 19:27 Jackal58 wrote: I probably should have made this clearer. I did not get copy cat. That is the role I picked per LSBs list but I am just vanilla green. 1 of the 4 above me on the draft list is copy cat. On January 11 2011 22:53 Jackal58 wrote: ## Vote Kenpachi The worst offender so far: GGQ. Joined the game the 8th, has <6 total posts!? And all of them content free, of course. + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2011 11:02 GGQ wrote: /confirm I'm not going to pretend I have the experience or mafia skill to judge any plan. If there's one being used, I'll follow it. It does seem to me that a plan is better than no plan by a large margin, though. On January 09 2011 11:40 GGQ wrote: I picked [5][3]. Low spot ftl. On January 10 2011 12:53 GGQ wrote: As Fishball said, it's a 'finger of suspicion'. It's a mafia term that you use to point out someone that you think is suspicious when you don't have the evidence to call him mafia for certain. On January 11 2011 05:02 GGQ wrote: deconduo, you said that there was a mistake and that you did, in fact, get the role you asked for. You said before the draft that you were going to pick CPR doc. Can you confirm that this is now your role, or did you random for your pick like your earlier plan? We want to keep track of CPR doc. On January 11 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote: Mafia only gets the role of their choice if they can predict what everyone chose, which may be difficult considering how many people said they weren't going to follow a role picking plan. I want to hear LayOffRage's reason for calling Fishball the traitor. Was it supposed to be a joke, or do you have some secret reasoning? We need to hear more from these people to be able to get a good read. I also am having a hard time reading haplopaithan, even though he's posted roughly twice as much as the above. I'm at work right now. On January 12 2011 04:52 LSB wrote: About the Traitor I would like to talk about my experiences as a traitor in PYP2. The key thing I did was kept the town on the topic of the traitor and tried to waste the day lynches on the traitor. This worked, and it was a great way to waste lynches. Instead of wasting our day discussion talking about who is traitor or who is not, we should just focus on other things and work on the traitor at night. But the thing about the traitor was, once I was discovered, the Mafia Compulsive Vig also fell with me, since the Compulsive Vig hit me night 2 and did not kill me. We can use the traitor as a way to link in other roles and drag down mafia. This is an effective way to use our blues and also to confirm a lot of people up top. Two Key Facts about the traitor/copycat 1. The traitor/copycat is a role pick and has no other special powers- The Role Cop could be a great way to find the traitor and Copy Cat. In addition.the traitor won't be able to do what they normally want to do. We can then use this to verify a lot of the people on the list. Here's the Plan. Deconduo will shoot LayOffRage If LayOffRage is killed, deconduo is probably not the traitor. Kenpachi will shoot Amber[Light]. Amber[Light] will Roleblock Kenpachi. If Amber[Light] is the traitor, he won't have the Roleblock ability and will die Kitaman27 will be checked by the Bullet Bill. Kitaman27 should have a gun. If he doesn't he's the traitor. Barundar will be checked by the Rolecop. Insta vertification if Barundar is Copycat/Traitor Fishball will be Tracked. Since Fishball has a role, he should be visiting someone. Night 2, we then will check the remaining people Jackal58, CubEdIn and Kenpachi A short summary 2. The traitor if hit by a mafia member at night will be converted- The best way to verify our CPR doc and Vig is by having them kill the traitor for us. If they are unable to do it, it could be a way to confirm them. Once we found a traitor. It's Better for the town to use nightkills on it. This is the reason I voted Kenpachi. If he comes up as the CC then we know 4 other people are being honest. | ||
Jackal58
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On January 12 2011 05:33 LSB wrote: Actually, now that I think about it. What do you guys think about Deconduo shocking Jackal58, and lynching RoL now? I don't like that plan at all. | ||
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Exactly. Lynch Kenpachi. He's the CC. I'm wondering ow how many others tried to follow your plan and took it up the pooper. And you want to off me to verify that I'm green. Lynch Kenpachi and that will verify it. | ||
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On January 13 2011 05:55 GGQ wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but we still don't know where the copy-cat is, do we? Jackal58 claims he picked it and didn't get it. Deconduo claims he is CPR doc. Kenpachi claims he is neither JOAT nor CC but something he hasn't revealed. Kitaman's post above implied that he took vigi as LSB's plan had set for him to take. I don't think Barundar revealed whether he took Bullet Bill or not, but he claimed to not be CC. So what does this mean? Someone is certainly lying. Why would someone lie about not having taken CC if they are town? I can only think that they must be mafia, having passed over their role to steal CC and allow a scumbuddy down the list to take their assigned role. Or possibly it's jackal58 who is the mafia, trying to get us to kill our top 4 roles. Either way, someone among our top 5 in the draft order is a liar. If I were Mafia it would have been in my best interest to claim the CC and not create any turmoil whether I received that role or not. I am vanilla townie. That fact gives us a 25% chance of lynching a red. I still think Kenpachi is the red. He lied for no apparent reason. | ||
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On January 13 2011 07:20 Kenpachi wrote: what did i lie about? ???????? ???????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ?????????????????????? -__- My bad, I feel like an ass now. I thought I read that you claimed JOAT and then stated you didn't. | ||
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On January 13 2011 08:34 kitaman27 wrote: Or you could be a traitor which gives you an excuse for not having a role and causes one of the top four to take a hit. No one has really mentioned who the role blocker should target. Jackal might be a decent choice if you don't have a candidate who you think is scummier. It wouldn't interfere with any pro-town roles if he is vanilla and it allows us to confirm the identity of the role blocker. (Amber?) I could be. But I'm not. I suspect I'll be dead in a few more hours any ways.If I am remember the 4 that picked before me. One is a liar. | ||
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On January 13 2011 13:15 aidnai wrote: divinek is a possible modkill anyway, don't feel like saving him. Jackal58 I think is town, but also should be deconduo's hit which I don't want to mess up (just make us both look like scum) HaploPaithan is a decent save imo (active, level headed) Barundar is a decent save imo (high in draft, probably good role) GGQ is a lurker, don't feel like saving him. Between haplo and barundar, barundar is pretty quiet, he hasn't claimed, and is in the top 4 which is likely where our CC or traitor are. This is rushed, sorry if I'm missing something important, but I choose haplo. Letting ace know now. Sorry to any townies I couldn't save Apparently it's too late to do anything at this point but don't try to save me. My death is a good thing for town. Probably the best thing for town at this point in time. Just don't forget about the 4 in front of me on the draft list. | ||
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