GSL4: Code S Groups finalized.

Luckily, the top 2 from a group advance, so our heroes Jinro and Idra have a chance of both making it. A lot of team killing though for oGs... thats what they get for having 8 players make it.

Here are the team numbers (feel free to edit this into OP):

8 oGs
6 Prime.WE
4 TSL
4 ZeNEX
3 f0u
2 IM
1 sls
1 TL
1 NsP
1 ST
1 EG

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Klamity United States. December 15 2010 02:18. Posts 967

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The other upside to Jinro and IdrA being in the same group is that the chances of one of them advancing are significantly improved.

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koOma Norway. December 15 2010 02:20. Posts 461

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EsMors December 15 2010 02:26. Posts 53

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Amount of different matchups will be:

TvZ: 14
TvP: 12
TvT: 8
ZvP: 5
PvP: 5
ZvZ: 4

I wouldn't say that's so many mirrors. Actualy, I love the way they are drawing the groups. How boring would it be if every season would look almost the same, because they have to take teams, races and nationality into account? Stuff like Jinro and Idra being in the same group is great, it adds tension and makes everything more dramatic. In a year, I will be able to remember this tournament, because it will be the one where Idra and Jinro had to play against eachother early, and where oGs had a lot of team kills. If they hand picked the groups so everything was as "fair" and homogenous as possible, none of the tournaments would have anything special about them.

Cyber_Cheese Australia. December 15 2010 02:35. Posts 3597

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group F has so much teamkill :/

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Zocat Germany. December 15 2010 02:52. Posts 1771

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On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote:
There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really.

Yeah, replace Idra with 17-32 seed with some other 17-32 seed players.
Like put him in Group F instead of sanZenith.
Or in Group B instead of jookTo.
Or E instead of Anypro.
Those groups would all be harder for Idra imho. Ensare didnt show anything after GSL1. Check is about the same level as Idra. And I'd give Idra the edge over Jinro in a macro game.
Of course you can go "Well - let's switch Idra (17-32seed) with Nestea (Top8 seed)" and he's going to have an easier group. But that doesnt make sense.

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reprise Canada. December 15 2010 02:53. Posts 316

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Poor group F. Hopefully Nada makes it out

Ensnare and Check aren't bad players, but I can see Jinro and Idra making it out pretty easy so not much worry there.

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Senx Sweden. December 15 2010 02:54. Posts 5019

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What the fuck? They put the two foreigners in the same grp? .. wow .. this is stupid.

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Bear4188 United States. December 15 2010 02:54. Posts 1795

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My feeling is that IdrA and Jinro are the better players in that group, but it's a Bo1 from what I understand so it's entirely possible for them to both lose as well.

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mprs Canada. December 15 2010 02:57. Posts 2879

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On December 15 2010 02:54 Bear4188 wrote:
My feeling is that IdrA and Jinro are the better players in that group, but it's a Bo1 from what I understand so it's entirely possible for them to both lose as well.

or both of them to win

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Kyouya Mexico. December 15 2010 03:02. Posts 318

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On December 15 2010 02:53 reprise wrote:
Poor group F. Hopefully Nada makes it out

Ensnare and Check aren't bad players, but I can see Jinro and Idra making it out pretty easy so not much worry there.

Hahaha what!? More like ENSNARE and Jinro, Ensnare is a B-E-A-S-T.

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Khalum Austria. December 15 2010 03:02. Posts 467

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Could someone with the required privileges please update the OP with this [1], so that people stop crying about ...

What the fuck? They put the two foreigners in the same grp? .. wow .. this is stupid.

... which gets really old after 9 pages of ppl telling other ppl that it's based on seeds and drawing?

Thanks a lot.

[1] http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/forum/6819

Talin Montenegro. December 15 2010 03:03. Posts 8164

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On December 15 2010 01:59 timmyfred wrote:

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Thanks for that link. I just copied it straight into Excel, added the group for each player, then sorted and summed. Idra/Junro are indeed in the "easiest" group if we use the GSL Code S points as the determination of skill.

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Then again, group F (with Nada, MC, Inca and san) is supposed to be the second easiest going by that criteria. So yeah, I don't think that's exactly an accurate determination of skill.

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Sabu113 United States. December 15 2010 03:03. Posts 6234

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A bit hypocritical on my part, but I wish the groups ABFG were mixxed up abit. Atleast if they had managed to get approx 1 zerg in every group. Groups E and H are going to be particularally good to watch. E since it's the best toss group H because it's just the best mix over all.

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awu25 United States. December 15 2010 03:08. Posts 1999

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On December 15 2010 02:54 Senx wrote:
What the fuck? They put the two foreigners in the same grp? .. wow .. this is stupid.

wtf? the put 4 koreans in the same group?
why the hell should they go out of their way to split up the foreigners in a random draw

riverkim09 United States. December 15 2010 03:22. Posts 289

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On December 15 2010 03:08 awu25 wrote:

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wtf? the put 4 koreans in the same group?
why the hell should they go out of their way to split up the foreigners in a random draw

Lol agreed. Its just that fanboys here don't want to see foreigners possibly knocking each other hahaha. Remember, GomTV cares about foreigners in the GSL but they still want the Code S dominated by Koreans.

1Eris1 United States. December 15 2010 03:24. Posts 5797

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Wow, group F, 3 of oGs top players, that sucks for oGs...and sanzenith

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Senx Sweden. December 15 2010 03:31. Posts 5019

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On December 15 2010 03:08 awu25 wrote:

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wtf? the put 4 koreans in the same group?
why the hell should they go out of their way to split up the foreigners in a random draw

Because GOMTV wants to appeal to the foreign community? They're milking money off of us through their choppy stream, putting the only 2 foreigners to make the 32 man tournament in the same grp isn't exactly a smart business plan.

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Krigwin December 15 2010 03:32. Posts 1130

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On December 15 2010 03:22 riverkim09 wrote:

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Because it would be smarter and attract more viewers to split up all the big-names. There's no favoritism or match-fixing there, these guys are all Code S so they should be prepared to fight each other.

For example, let's say there are only four players: LegalMind, JooktoJung, Jinro, and Idra. What sounds like a better scenario: LegalMind vs JooktoJung and Jinro vs Idra, or LegalMind vs Idra and JooktoJung vs Jinro? More people want to watch Jinro and Idra, so in the first scenario where one game has neither of them and instead has some relatively unpopular players, you're going to end up with less views overall. In scenario two on the other hand, all 3 games involve a foreigner so you're going to have more views.

It's just smart operation of a tournament. People want to watch big names more and they prefer inter-race matches rather than mirror matches. People want to watch team rivalries more than they want to watch teamkills. So it makes perfect sense to split up the big names, races, and teams.

Imagine if there was some BW tournament where Flash had to face off against Jaedong in the first round while every other match was between B-team unknowns. That would be completely awful and once one of them were eliminated views for the entire tournament would be cut almost in half.

MahatmaSC2 United States. December 15 2010 03:34. Posts 192

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Jinro vs IdrA gogogogogogo

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