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| ZZangDreamjOy Canada. January 10 2011 08:27. Posts 910 | Profile Blog # |
| This whole FlaSh argument will be answered when KT vs Khan and KT vs OZ happens, as long as FlaSh plays both Stork and Jaedong. -_-. |
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| Mooncat Germany. January 10 2011 08:53. Posts 1228 | Profile # |
I just stumbled across this
Sent chills down my spine. Everyone was like "Wtf, who is this kid!? How old is he? High School AND progaming? o.O" Flash really has come a long way.
Sorry for off-topic :> |
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| Yodo Russian Federation. January 10 2011 09:50. Posts 327 | Profile # |
2 swanized
1) I dont have KT tag.
2) You missed the whole point of all this posts. Ppl just do not want Flash at the 1 place for biased reasons. It obviously annoys KT fans. if 3 defeats are proof of Flash's downhill then what about 3 kills?
But again there some requests that Flash needs to pass some kind of complex trial: win Stork, JD etc. What next? break 5k elo to be placed in top 10? Jeez, can you wait for at least 10 defeats before call it slump. |
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| Tempest[OEC] United States. January 10 2011 10:04. Posts 417 | Profile # |
On January 10 2011 09:50 Yodo wrote:
2 swanized
1) I dont have KT tag.
2) You missed the whole point of all this posts. Ppl just do not want Flash at the 1 place for biased reasons. It obviously annoys KT fans. if 3 defeats are proof of Flash's downhill then what about 3 kills?
But again there some requests that Flash needs to pass some kind of complex trial: win Stork, JD etc. What next? break 5k elo to be placed in top 10? Jeez, can you wait for at least 10 defeats before call it slump.
The PR mentions nothing about Flash being in a slump. Only small "speculation" that he WOULD go into one. He doesnt say he is in one because of those league losses. The PR also mentions that if Flash continues to dominate he will go up the rankings, its just that this past month his results dont justify him being over people who are in both leagues. This ranking will change next month after the results and from the looks of things, it will be for the better for Flash.
My 2 cents. |
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| Yodo Russian Federation. January 10 2011 10:22. Posts 327 | Profile # |
The same PR state:
In my official position as PR Writer, I will be making a fiat: until there's actually a worthy challenger capable of dethroning Flash, there's really no point in "discussing" what Flash has done. Instead, as long as Flash remains the dominant number one on the Power Rank, I'm going to use this spot to log what new records and achievements he has attained since the last PR.
And then we suddenly have like 4 "worthy challengers", nice. |
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| L0thar January 10 2011 10:41. Posts 986 | Profile Blog # |
It's quite funny, I was actually pretty content with Flash rank, #5 seemed quite good for a person out of both leagues, however dominant he was before. I didn't even see the need to discuss it.
But after some thinking, it's making less and less sense. There wasn't really any serious doubt about Flash skill, even in the writing about him is written he is still considered bonjwa. And rightfully so, only fool would consider Flash done after couple of losses, even when they happened at a critical time. I know haters are eager to proclaime "X is slumping" at every opportunity, it happened to Flash before, after the poweroutage finals or loss to Effort in OSL, but c'mon people, he only came back stronger than before.
So why was he dropped? Well, most sensible answer is that he lacked results and that's fine. But...who has some actuall results this month? Believe it or not, but after the end of the season there will be at most 2 people with a title. Stork, Bisu, Kal, Jaedong...at least two of those people will accomplish in individual leagues the same shit like Flash, nothing (individual leagues really aren't about second places, just ask Yellow).
If you look back, there is nobody coming even close to Flash and if you look at present then, well, nobody has done anything yet. For example Bisu may very well be out of MSL soon, so his only accomplishment would be getting one round higher than Flash...and that's it.
I totally agree Flash deserves to be dropped, but he should be dropped AFTER somebody actually accomplish something more than him. The PR should be based on what players done, not what they may or may not do. All the players ranked higher than Flash merely managed to secure a chance to outdone Flash, they haven't outdone him yet (and as I said, at least two of them will be left titleless again).Last edit: 2011-01-10 10:45:34 |
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| blade55555 United States. January 10 2011 12:38. Posts 14114 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2011 10:41 L0thar wrote:
It's quite funny, I was actually pretty content with Flash rank, #5 seemed quite good for a person out of both leagues, however dominant he was before. I didn't even see the need to discuss it.
But after some thinking, it's making less and less sense. There wasn't really any serious doubt about Flash skill, even in the writing about him is written he is still considered bonjwa. And rightfully so, only fool would consider Flash done after couple of losses, even when they happened at a critical time. I know haters are eager to proclaime "X is slumping" at every opportunity, it happened to Flash before, after the poweroutage finals or loss to Effort in OSL, but c'mon people, he only came back stronger than before.
So why was he dropped? Well, most sensible answer is that he lacked results and that's fine. But...who has some actuall results this month? Believe it or not, but after the end of the season there will be at most 2 people with a title. Stork, Bisu, Kal, Jaedong...at least two of those people will accomplish in individual leagues the same shit like Flash, nothing (individual leagues really aren't about second places, just ask Yellow).
If you look back, there is nobody coming even close to Flash and if you look at present then, well, nobody has done anything yet. For example Bisu may very well be out of MSL soon, so his only accomplishment would be getting one round higher than Flash...and that's it.
I totally agree Flash deserves to be dropped, but he should be dropped AFTER somebody actually accomplish something more than him. The PR should be based on what players done, not what they may or may not do. All the players ranked higher than Flash merely managed to secure a chance to outdone Flash, they haven't outdone him yet (and as I said, at least two of them will be left titleless again).
There is a reason its called the monthly power ranking not yearly or anything so yes flash should have been dropped no matter what this month.
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 Crt January 10 2011 15:38. Posts 247 | Profile # |
PR is NOT a statistically monthly ranking. It's a ranking of who's more likely to win if they were to play against one another at the time the PR is made.
Let's call it. This month PR is rigged.Last edit: 2011-01-10 15:42:17 |
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| J1.au Australia. January 10 2011 15:46. Posts 3533 | Profile Blog # |
Kal should never ever be ranked above Flash and Jaedong. When Kal faces top competition he fails 70% of the time. Flash and Jaedong outclass Kal in every possible way. When Kal advances in a league it's because he's avoided a strong Zerg or Terran player. His win over Flash is a perfect example of why I dislike him. When the map is good, when the spawn position is good, when the stars align Kal can win a game. Otherwise he's screwed.
Kal shouldn't be rewarded for getting lucky. |
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| Lightwip United States. January 10 2011 15:52. Posts 5497 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2011 15:46 J1.au wrote:
Kal should never ever be ranked above Flash and Jaedong. When Kal faces top competition he fails 70% of the time. Flash and Jaedong outclass Kal in every possible way. When Kal advances in a league it's because he's avoided a strong Zerg or Terran player. His win over Flash is a perfect example of why I dislike him. When the map is good, when the spawn position is good, when the stars align Kal can win a game. Otherwise he's screwed.
Kal shouldn't be rewarded for getting lucky.
Perhaps the author had more faith in Kal?
Certainly that faith isn't rewarded as of now, but he did win all his important games in December. Flash did no such thing. |
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| Holgerius Sweden. January 10 2011 17:28. Posts 16798 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't have a problem with Flash being dropped the way he was due to him getting knocked out of both leagues. But I do hope and expect that he rises very high again as long as he shows in WL that his play is still God-level. |
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| Fwmeh January 10 2011 19:35. Posts 818 | Profile # |
| Never thought I'd say this, but I miss FakeSteve. He would not have stood for all this shit had he written the PR. At the moment, this thread is nearly unreadable due to Flash fanboys whining. |
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| Lightwip United States. January 10 2011 19:50. Posts 5497 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2011 19:35 Fwmeh wrote:
Never thought I'd say this, but I miss FakeSteve. He would not have stood for all this shit had he written the PR. At the moment, this thread is nearly unreadable due to Flash fanboys whining.
But there's 350 comments 1/3 of the way into the month. That's always a good thing. |
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| SlayerS_BunkiE Canada. January 10 2011 20:43. Posts 987 | Profile Blog # |
I think the problem is that the PR has traditionally adhered to the following ranking criteria:
a.) which player(s) you would bet your life on in a bo5
b.) which player(s) achieved results, wherein more weight is given to individual leagues
With Flash out of both leagues so early while at the same time not really showing a real decline in skill, you can't have both. So no matter what, this PR would be inconsistent.
That said, I like Flash a lot but I also do not have a problem with him being ranked #5. I don't even have a problem if he doesn't go up the rankings at all after this month - regardless of WL performance. The rankings and their explanation (and all the ensuing arguments/fanboyism) is entertainment enough  |
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| bearbuddy January 10 2011 21:06. Posts 3087 | Profile Blog # |
| The Power Ranking operates similar to the NCAA football rankings-- it's heavily influenced to recent performance in singles league. Flamewheel obviously still thinks Flash is the best player, but dropping out of both individual leagues warrant a drop in ranking. This PR didn't really deviate from the traditional formula, as noted by Waxangel, so I don't know what the rage is all about. |
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| c3rberUs Philippines. January 10 2011 21:49. Posts 1843 | Profile Blog # |
The top 3 in the PR can't prove themselves against Flash and JD in the individual leagues and the PR was written before WL. The fact that they dropped in the osl and msl (only flash) begs the question: are they slumping.
The monthly PR isn't called monthly for nothing, the month covered by this PR is the month when they dropped. |
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| L0thar January 10 2011 22:09. Posts 986 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2011 12:38 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 10:41 L0thar wrote:
It's quite funny, I was actually pretty content with Flash rank, #5 seemed quite good for a person out of both leagues, however dominant he was before. I didn't even see the need to discuss it.
But after some thinking, it's making less and less sense. There wasn't really any serious doubt about Flash skill, even in the writing about him is written he is still considered bonjwa. And rightfully so, only fool would consider Flash done after couple of losses, even when they happened at a critical time. I know haters are eager to proclaime "X is slumping" at every opportunity, it happened to Flash before, after the poweroutage finals or loss to Effort in OSL, but c'mon people, he only came back stronger than before.
So why was he dropped? Well, most sensible answer is that he lacked results and that's fine. But...who has some actuall results this month? Believe it or not, but after the end of the season there will be at most 2 people with a title. Stork, Bisu, Kal, Jaedong...at least two of those people will accomplish in individual leagues the same shit like Flash, nothing (individual leagues really aren't about second places, just ask Yellow).
If you look back, there is nobody coming even close to Flash and if you look at present then, well, nobody has done anything yet. For example Bisu may very well be out of MSL soon, so his only accomplishment would be getting one round higher than Flash...and that's it.
I totally agree Flash deserves to be dropped, but he should be dropped AFTER somebody actually accomplish something more than him. The PR should be based on what players done, not what they may or may not do. All the players ranked higher than Flash merely managed to secure a chance to outdone Flash, they haven't outdone him yet (and as I said, at least two of them will be left titleless again).
There is a reason its called the monthly power ranking not yearly or anything so yes flash should have been dropped no matter what this month.
No, it's called Power Rank, not Monthly Power Rank, I have no idea where this misconception came from.
One of the first power ranks feature Savior at #1 right after he got destoyed by Bisu. Then later there is also Bisu #1 and Mind at #5, right after Bisu lost to him in MSL finals. And I could go on with people ranked higher despite achieving inferior results that last month.
If you wanna argue that every writer has different criteria and flamewheel is aiming for more dynamic PR, I'm fine with that, but don't call it monthly power ranking because it's never been that!
Also in that case, I see no reason why Flash shouldn't place much higher in next PR if he displays great play and results in WL...which is thing against which some people here argued too. |
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| J1.au Australia. January 10 2011 22:10. Posts 3533 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2011 21:49 c3rberUs wrote:
The top 3 in the PR can't prove themselves against Flash and JD in the individual leagues and the PR was written before WL. The fact that they dropped in the osl and msl (only flash) begs the question: are they slumping.
The monthly PR isn't called monthly for nothing, the month covered by this PR is the month when they dropped.
I'm sorry but all I can see is "Power Rank", where exactly is the "monthly"? |
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| Numy South Africa. January 10 2011 23:58. Posts 7386 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2011 22:10 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 21:49 c3rberUs wrote:
The top 3 in the PR can't prove themselves against Flash and JD in the individual leagues and the PR was written before WL. The fact that they dropped in the osl and msl (only flash) begs the question: are they slumping.
The monthly PR isn't called monthly for nothing, the month covered by this PR is the month when they dropped.
I'm sorry but all I can see is "Power Rank", where exactly is the "monthly"?
It gets done every month and focuses mainly on the games that month...... |
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| Iplaythings Denmark. January 11 2011 00:03. Posts 7072 | Profile Blog # |
On January 10 2011 19:35 Fwmeh wrote:
Never thought I'd say this, but I miss FakeSteve. He would not have stood for all this shit had he written the PR. At the moment, this thread is nearly unreadable due to Flash fanboys whining.
its funny how many flash fans thinks that dropping out of both leagues grants you 1st beause he won his PL games...
He even lost one of those, iirc
maybe also because he "probally" woulda won a tiebreaker. Maybe, but its his fault for getting in the situation in the first place, cant disagree with anything flamewheel says except that JD feels scarier than Flash.
The only thing JD has on Flash is being in the MSL  Fear racks up over along time, results is about one month.
Thats atleast how I understood itLast edit: 2011-01-11 00:05:31 |
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