| eshlow United States. May 23 2011 08:22. Posts 5034 | Profile # |
On May 23 2011 06:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:59 Slithe wrote:Hey Eshlow, I was reading some of these articles about cholesterol and their role in the body's health. However, it's getting to be quite a complex affair. I'm trying to summarize it in my head, can you clarify if I'm understanding things correctly? I've brain-dumped my summary below:
There are these things called LDL particles in the blood. When they get oxidized, they start to become damaging and cause things like clogged arteries. This oxidation is correlated with how small and dense the LDLs are (is it the small/denseness that makes the particles more likely to oxidize?).
Consumption of dietary cholesterol is not linked with the increase of these oxidized particles in the blood. Rather, the danger comes from the PUFAs that are being oxidized, and as such it is the consumption of PUFAs that increases the likelihood of arterial disease. (Does dietary cholesterol increase the concentration of blood cholesterol, and is this an issue?)
So the conclusion I gathered is that dietary cholesterol is good for you. If you want to avoid clogged arteries, you should stop consuming processed vegetable oils (what other factors contribute to artery problems?)
*disclaimer, this is recall from quite old knowledge back in biochemistry and preclinical days, haven't revised this stuff recently at all. As far as I know the deal with cholesterol is that it is really damn complex and nobody really knows how it works. High levels of cholesterol are associated with atherosclerosis (coronary heart disease when it happens in the arteries supplying the heart). Atherosclerosis refers to the process by which fatty deposits are formed in the arterial walls, macrophages within the artery walls play a significant role by "eating" the oxidised versions of LDL/VLDLs (one of the reasons why antioxidants are good). I can't remember why LDL get oxidised more, I think it has something to do with them being saturated fatty acids. This keeps happening in a positive feedback system over time developing into the plaques. Diabetes increases the chances of LDL oxidation happening, and the insulin resistance that goes with it may increase LDL production by the liver, basically your body loses the ability to control cholesterol levels. Here's the kicker which is what you are getting at. Your liver is capable of producing cholesterol and it really good at it since cholesterol also forms the base for every steroid hormone in the body. Due to this, your gut is also really good at absorbing cholesterol. And as such your gut and liver generally work as a tag team to maintain decent levels of cholesterol, if you stopped eating it, your liver would take over and if you eat lots, your liver till stop producing, so dietary intake has relatively little effect on blood cholesterol unless you are consuming silly amounts. And for that reason I would say that dietary cholestrol is neither good or bad as long as it isn't in excess. TLDR: cholesterol ok. Diet shouldn't matter too much, just don't get diabetes, and stay fit. If by PUFA you mean "poly-unsaturated fatty acid" then I think these are still considered to be good for you. I can't remember why they are good, but these are the things that are in fish oil /' omega-fatty acid supplements etc. The processed oils you are talkng about are "trans-fats" or "hydrogenated fats" which are indeed bad for you and are associated with arterial disease. A few bits on cholesterol: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889993/?tool=pubmedhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21385506http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14571303Edit: About the whole grain thing, I honestly would not take it too seriously. Gluten is only bad if you have coeliac disease. A quick pubmed search suggests whole grain products are more likely to be good than bad. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15162131 - Strong evidence suggests that whole grains among other carbs, fruits etc. are all good and managing and preventing diabetes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16670693 - "The intake of wholegrain foods clearly protects against heart disease and stroke but the exact mechanism is not clear. Fibre, magnesium, folate and vitamins B6 and vitamin E may be important. "
Ugh, I don't really want to go through this again but why not one more time.
1. Looking at dietary cholesterol intake impact on specifically oLDL which is a predictor of atherogenesis there's actually a negative correlation. Those who have the highest intake of cholesterol have the lowest production of atherogenic oLDL
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15164336
This is why studies that do not distinguish between different types of blood lipids and the subclasses aren't really very useful. Oh, your LDL is high? That must mean it's bad....... when that's actually not true and if they're all bigger LDL molecules are relatively harmless.
2. The evidence vindicates saturated fats risk on heart disease.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/01/does-dietary-saturated-fat-increase.html
http://www.ajcn.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/5/1175.full.pdf+html <-- decreased risk in post menopausal women with increased sat fat intake
http://healthydietsandscience.blogspot.com/2011/03/high-saturated-fat-diet-gives.html
http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/78/11/1331.full.pdf
etc.
In the same line this is why whole milk is healthier than skim milk:
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dairy-fat-and-diabetes.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904009
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20372173
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17925824
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11350992
Another interesting article that was ahead of its time:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934396004561
3. The inflammatory model of atherogenesis (auto-immune, neurodegenerative disorders, diabetes, etc.) fits the best. Inflammation leads to oxidation of the molecules within the body and increases insulin resistance.
A. Trans fats are a major cause of insulin resistance and inflammation in the body.
B. Excessive intake of refined carbohydrates, especially fructose
C. Excessive intake of Linoleic acid (in huge quatities from industrial seed and vegetable oils). Omega-6 proinflammatory biomolecule when it gets converted into other things in the body.
D. Gluten which we will talk about in a sec.
In addition, there are other various contributers via
E. High stress all the time. Stress increases insulin resistance, and production of cortisol (which decreases inflammation in short term but chronically there's a lot of negatives).
F. Lack of sleep. Increases insulin resistance, and inflammation.
G. Lack of exercise (exercise increases insulin sensitivity among other things).
H. Lack of vitamin D
Re vitamin D studies see:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21513491
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20216204
I. There are some other factors such as smoking etc. Check out the ACSM or AHA risk stratifcation material on exercise testing which shows the major risk factors for more details -- age, family history, cigarette smoking, hypertension, dyslipidemia*, pre-diabetes, obesity (by waist circumference), sedentary are all significant risk factors.
*dislipidemia is outdated as stated above without more specifics. Pre-diabetes/diabetes are obviously an issue as stated before.
4. Gluten.
Again, celiac disease is an official diagnosis which hits somewhere like 1 in 133 of people.
But there is also such thing as gluten sensitivity which causes symptoms such as poor digestion, bloating, farting, etc. (See for more symptoms: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003123.htm).
Here are obviously some studies on emerging stuff on gluten sensitivity:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1954879/
http://gut.bmj.com/content/early/2011/04/06/gut.2010.232900.abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21443726
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21392369
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21378766 <-- gluten involved with some pathogenesis of IBS
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21224837
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=when-and-why-did-everyone-stop-eati-2011-05-10
http://robbwolf.com/2011/01/12/hey-robb-this-person-said-gluten-free-diets-are-bogus/
wheat and china
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-heart-disease-oh-my/
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/wheat-is-invading-china.html
Wheat may cause auto-immune development:
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=911
And of course the huge review done on DGAC last year criticizing the health statements of "whole grains" (among other things listed above):
http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/PIIS0899900710002893/fulltextLast edit: 2011-05-25 04:11:48 |
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| eshlow United States. May 23 2011 08:24. Posts 5034 | Profile # |
On May 23 2011 08:13 Froadac wrote:
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Went to the pt today again. Had some really strange moments.
1. A good exercise to do would be squats. (Without weights) I did a bunch weightless with good form, and they just were like..... OK... Then they had me squat a bar. So like 20 (not olympic) Then they asked if I had a smith machine... You'd think PTs would know better.
2. I asked if it would be within my medical limitations to powerclean. And they were like uhhhhh. Dunno.
3. They said I had the fastest weight gain of any person they'd ever had. Now at ~15 pounds in 4 weeks.
lol, keep going buddy. Doing great.
I also laugh every time I see the "time frame" for muscle gain is like 2-3 weeks after starting resistance training. Yeah right.... you start gaining muscle when you start working out... |
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| decafchicken United States. May 23 2011 08:41. Posts 15321 | Profile Blog # |
you start gaining muscle when you start working out...
Excellent quote.
Btw i found a place where i can get 3 gallons of RAW MILK a week for 7.50 YES I'M SO EXCITED. |
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| eshlow United States. May 23 2011 09:08. Posts 5034 | Profile # |
On May 23 2011 08:41 decafchicken wrote:Excellent quote. Btw i found a place where i can get 3 gallons of RAW MILK a week for 7.50 YES I'M SO EXCITED.
Sick man... is it from grass fed cows too?
It literally tastes better when it's from non-grain fed cows (as does any part of the animal actually...) |
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| Froadac United States. May 23 2011 09:21. Posts 5663 | Profile Blog # |
Not bad. I have a teacher who owns 30% in a dairy. When we got into a milk discussion he said he could get $1.80/gallon raw and whole, if I wanted it.
Grain and jelly belly fed though lol.Last edit: 2011-05-23 09:22:12 |
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| Catch United States. May 23 2011 09:36. Posts 584 | Profile # |
Howdy yall
Finally uploaded my pictures from my cut. Down to 174 from 200. The before pictures at at 185ish though
Sneak Peak:
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The rest of my pictures are over at wannabebig in my journal
Hell of a Catch
Before pictures on page 2, after pictures on page 3 |
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| Froadac United States. May 23 2011 09:37. Posts 5663 | Profile Blog # |
| Question: apart from a multivitamin (mom has me taking a 50+ women's one, dunno why) what supplements should I be on? |
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| Necosarius Sweden. May 23 2011 09:58. Posts 3507 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Froadac United States. May 23 2011 10:01. Posts 5663 | Profile Blog # |
!! I'm also on a calcium + D
All told I get 900 IU + whatever food has per day. Still take dedicated vit d?
I'll start taking fish oil. We have those. How many perday? |
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| phyre112 United States. May 23 2011 10:38. Posts 2338 | Profile # |
On May 23 2011 10:01 Froadac wrote:
!! I'm also on a calcium + D
All told I get 900 IU + whatever food has per day. Still take dedicated vit d?
I'll start taking fish oil. We have those. How many perday?
whole milk has 400 IU/cup.
I take 10k IU in a vitamin, plus averaging around a quart a day of whole milk. The majority of my time is spent inside or in overcast/raining weather however, so I'm not getting much from sun. Living out in Cali, I'm sure you have a better time with that than I do in Upstate New York. Whenever I'm feeling sickness coming on, I'll take two days at 20k, then go back to 10.
For fish oil, check how much omega-6 is actually in each pill. This varies hugely between brands. mine are 600 mg per pill, I alternate between taking 1 and 2 of these per day (so 1.5/day if you wish).
I'm also on a calcium-magnesium supplement. If you're having sleep problems, I highly recommend looking into magnesium. It's done wonderful things for my quality of sleep. |
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| Froadac United States. May 23 2011 10:51. Posts 5663 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah, sleep is an issue. I'll check into that. As long as pharmacist educated era 1984 doesn't interfere >.>
The container just says 300mg of omega 3s. :/ |
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 thedeadhaji May 23 2011 10:52. Posts 23290 | Profile Blog # |
On May 23 2011 08:41 decafchicken wrote:Excellent quote. Btw i found a place where i can get 3 gallons of RAW MILK a week for 7.50 YES I'M SO EXCITED.
wtf why are you so blessed with great, cheap food in your area.  |
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| decafchicken United States. May 23 2011 11:13. Posts 15321 | Profile Blog # |
On May 23 2011 10:52 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 08:41 decafchicken wrote:
you start gaining muscle when you start working out...
Excellent quote. Btw i found a place where i can get 3 gallons of RAW MILK a week for 7.50 YES I'M SO EXCITED.
wtf why are you so blessed with great, cheap food in your area.
Cause we get fucked on everything else? :D Picked up 2 gallons of whole milk for just over 3$. Hurray for deal of the day!
Planning to go to argentina for spring break next year, and was told you can get a 2 pound filet mignon for 20$...YES PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
On May 23 2011 08:13 AoN.DimSum wrote:Very easy looking snatches, almost looks like you can power that. Sucks that you got called for the pressout, it looked really minor.
Yeah the snatches felt really good, sucks that theres no video of the 110 it was definitely my best one. Comparing my video to the zomg 170...i'm pulling the bar quite high and not getting under fast enough. obv bending arms early. I need faster hips and stronger shoulders! I am getting double knee bend on my snatch though which i wasnt before. Hips might be a little high too fast though?
Hoping my shitty cj was due to me getting a charlie horse in my leg/playing rugby yesterday because that is not what my clean looks like compared to my other videos :-/Last edit: 2011-05-23 11:20:56 |
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| Totally random question - Can people recommend some alternatives to salad dressings for me? I'm trying to cut down upon my use of them, but I'm not hardcore enough to eat *all* my salads plain for now. Any general advice upon which condiments to avoid/use would be really helpful too. Thanks in advance :D |
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| eshlow United States. May 23 2011 11:59. Posts 5034 | Profile # |
On May 23 2011 11:58 NeverGG wrote:
Totally random question - Can people recommend some alternatives to salad dressings for me? I'm trying to cut down upon my use of them, but I'm not hardcore enough to eat *all* my salads plain for now. Any general advice upon which condiments to avoid/use would be really helpful too. Thanks in advance :D
Olive oil is fine |
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| decafchicken United States. May 23 2011 12:01. Posts 15321 | Profile Blog # |
On May 23 2011 11:58 NeverGG wrote:
Totally random question - Can people recommend some alternatives to salad dressings for me? I'm trying to cut down upon my use of them, but I'm not hardcore enough to eat *all* my salads plain for now. Any general advice upon which condiments to avoid/use would be really helpful too. Thanks in advance :D
Avoid anything with vegetable oils or high fructose corn syrup. Olive oil + seasonings/pepper should be good. But really the salad dressing probably isn't a deal breaker, you should pretty much avoid anything with vegetable oils/hfcs in it. Stick to natural things, watch your overall intake, and keep exercising! |
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| nemY United States. May 23 2011 12:23. Posts 3117 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2011 17:20 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 09:18 nemY wrote:
PS: What is Leangains? And why do the guys on the website look that skinny? Isn't that a bit unhealthy? Is it for modeling?
they aren't skinny... they are lean.. ie low bodyfat. big difference. if you workout for looks 7-8% bodyfat is where you want to be aesthetically imo. for health reasons, if you dig through the posts there seem to be some benefits to being around there.
Heh my bad. I'm pretty ignorant on this whole diet. It seems pretty cool actually, but I sort of lack the knowledge to completely understand the program right now. I mean the I get the general gist of it (fasting), but the specifics I'm having trouble with. Seems like a cool program, although some of the people in it appear too veiny for me. |
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| nemY United States. May 23 2011 12:26. Posts 3117 | Profile Blog # |
On May 23 2011 11:59 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 11:58 NeverGG wrote:
Totally random question - Can people recommend some alternatives to salad dressings for me? I'm trying to cut down upon my use of them, but I'm not hardcore enough to eat *all* my salads plain for now. Any general advice upon which condiments to avoid/use would be really helpful too. Thanks in advance :D
Olive oil is fine
Any suggestions for how to bring olive oil to work (being an oil it tends to seep through everything I try to store it in). |
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| thedeadhaji May 23 2011 12:31. Posts 23290 | Profile Blog # |
| Just bring the damn bottle in a bag imo. there are some smaller bottles out there, Ａｎｄ I'm sure you can find a container bottle with a screwtop lid @say, idk, some kitchen store |
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| nemY United States. May 23 2011 12:35. Posts 3117 | Profile Blog # |
But what if it breaks haji?
Chill bro. Your giants won today. :[ |
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