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The advantage of hipfiring is also that it doesent slow down your moving speed and that can be really helpfull when you rush around a corner. Also you have more peripheral view since even the "1x" scopes like Kobra and RDS have a 1.4 zoom when zoomed in.
For me there is no other reason to use the MP7 or P90 over other guns than the hipfire accuracy they have. When you are not moving those two guns with a laser have the same spread from the hip as they have while ADS and their moving hipsread is still a tiny bit better than that of an attachmentless M4A1 while ADS and moving (0.75 - 0.8).

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Bondator Finland. May 11 2012 00:03. Posts 120

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There is one pretty massive benefit for using PDW's over other guns. To start off, think of how accurate hipfired G18 is. Assault rifle accuracies are almost that bad, when you ADS and move at the same time. Almost all PDW's on the other hand, have the same accuracies for ADS when standing still and moving.

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Divine-Sneaker Denmark. May 11 2012 00:30. Posts 787

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Guess most everyone here mains PDW's it seems. I for one don't since I kinda like being able to have a threat at longer ranges if I don't fuck up my aim. I seek to skillful play in making up for the deficiencies in cqc rather than relying on closerange weapons, because really I might as well use a shotgun then.

I despise shotguns.

Basically, fuck suppression is what it boils down to.
Which is my currently by far most used quote when this game is running, in competition with fucking broken game mechanics.

CyDe United States. May 11 2012 01:02. Posts 999

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For the hipfiring vs aiming thang, what I like doing is just twitching the fire button when I see an enemy come up suddenly, so that I am guaranteed to get them suppressed, get a few shots off, and maybe even kill them. Then I switch to aiming when I get my bearings.

I know it may be a really stupid tip for most people, but I went from the terrible player I was at level 32 to the AWESOME player I am now after utilizing this technique.

Oh and I main assault rifles Divine, but sometimes I grab the P90 just to switch things up.

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Chriscras Korea (South). May 11 2012 01:11. Posts 2738

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Main PDWs? Bet you are looking forward to the CQC expansion!

Why don't you go play some more 1000 ticket metro LOL.

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Phelix May 11 2012 01:29. Posts 1759

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I main imbalanced weapons for each class, don't care much for PDWs to be honest. When I mean imbalanced, I mean they are not balanced compared to the rest of the gun lineups per class.

M16A3, M4A1, M27/M240, and M98/M39EMR, respectively per class after I get 500 kills with all other weapons.
Suppressor for Public, Heavy Barrel if I want to play serious.

Shotguns are so bad post-patch, they're water pistols. I hate that even 5 meters can make shotguns not OHKO, and even under 5 meters, sometimes the spread makes it not OHKO, and by the time you fire the second shot, you're dead.

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ChrisXIV Austria. May 11 2012 01:39. Posts 2088

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My luck with servers has been pretty bad for the last few days, with every game being a total stomp. Most of the time I end up on the losing team, and it's not fun at all. If I can get 3rd place in my team by joining for the last 5 minutes, something is going terribly wrong.

It's mostly because of insanely stacked teams, where the highest level on my team is something like 10, and half the enemy team is 50+ with at least 3 100-guys in it. It's just impossible to win those games. >_>

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The KY United Kingdom. May 11 2012 01:55. Posts 6235

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On May 11 2012 01:39 ChrisXIV wrote:
My luck with servers has been pretty bad for the last few days, with every game being a total stomp. Most of the time I end up on the losing team, and it's not fun at all. If I can get 3rd place in my team by joining for the last 5 minutes, something is going terribly wrong.

It's mostly because of insanely stacked teams, where the highest level on my team is something like 10, and half the enemy team is 50+ with at least 3 100-guys in it. It's just impossible to win those games. >_>

With BF3 it's weird for me, I actually generally don't give too much of a fuck if my team wins or not. I see my role as support (generally play engineer) so I do what I can for them and if they win then good for them.
But then I guess it's no fun if your team is getting so fucked up that you can do literally nothing.
Which is why me and some friends rented out a server and equalise the teams ourselves if need be :D
Although said friends voted in some pretty arbitrary rules I really don't like, I guess after played starcraft for so long the idea of 'the game is the game do what you can to win' is so set in my mind that forbidding a certain weapon or spawn camping just seems ridiculous to me.

Zen5034 United States. May 11 2012 01:58. Posts 268

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Been working on unlocking everything for all the guns now, on the PKP currently. I've never gotten so many suppression ribbons before, haha.

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Phelix May 11 2012 02:06. Posts 1759

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On May 11 2012 01:58 Zen5034 wrote:
Been working on unlocking everything for all the guns now, on the PKP currently. I've never gotten so many suppression ribbons before, haha.

Indeed, suppression ribbons are easy to get with post-patch. Before, I played 200+ hours, never got a suppression medal, only 39x suppression ribbons (mostly from sniper rifle misses). Now, I got a few suppression medals to boot.

In regards to unlocking everything for all guns, just remember that there's M26 unlocks that are not listed on Battlelog. Also, shotguns are going to be frustrating if you decide to use them (I've voiced a ton of displeasure using them, and the fact that I have to use them now to get 500 kills).

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Karliath United States. May 11 2012 08:42. Posts 2214

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I used to main M16A3, but now I bounce around a lot of different types of guns (and classes!) after the patch.

Divine-Sneaker Denmark. May 11 2012 09:28. Posts 787

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On May 11 2012 01:11 Chriscras wrote:
Main PDWs? Bet you are looking forward to the CQC expansion!

Why don't you go play some more 1000 ticket metro LOL.

I have no idea who it's aimed at, but it's either a pretty bad example of sarcasm or a missread ^_^

As for servers, I don't ever play when my buddies don't so I'm never the one to look up servers. However when we play and I'm in as well it's exclusively CQLarge on kharg, caspian, firestorm, nosharh or karkand. 64p with ~600-800 tickets, no fast vehicle retardation and no dumb bot for teambalancing if it can be avoided, as to have us actually play together and not constantly be split up.

It's increasingly difficult to find servers that fit these criteria for some reason. Don't know why people want to play a different game than what they bought/fired up, but it's frustrating how few good servers are out there.

Another rather annoying thing we have is a giant pattern that keeps showing up and trailing us when we play. Pretty much any given night we play, it takes less than a handful of games before a lot of people on the enemy team start leaving/bitching or it just becomes a hilarious stomp. It's definitely our own fault for playing together with a full squad or close to that, but it's stupid how much of a difference 4/32 can make if they don't suck.

That just goes on to make it even harder since we have to switch servers once in a while for it to keep on being fun/challenging.

rebdomine May 11 2012 09:50. Posts 1827

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lol, the auto-balance bots always fail anyway.

when playing with no buddies, I find that team-shuffle servers are better than those auto-balancing ones.

Doomwish May 11 2012 10:09. Posts 435

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pdw? no.. best guns in the game are m16a3 and m4a1(also kh2002) .. at least for assualt and engineer .if you want to go tryhard use these weapons otherwise you are gimping yourself

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Phelix May 11 2012 12:16. Posts 1759

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On May 11 2012 09:28 Divine-Sneaker wrote:

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I have no idea who it's aimed at, but it's either a pretty bad example of sarcasm or a missread ^_^

As for servers, I don't ever play when my buddies don't so I'm never the one to look up servers. However when we play and I'm in as well it's exclusively CQLarge on kharg, caspian, firestorm, nosharh or karkand. 64p with ~600-800 tickets, no fast vehicle retardation and no dumb bot for teambalancing if it can be avoided, as to have us actually play together and not constantly be split up.

It's increasingly difficult to find servers that fit these criteria for some reason. Don't know why people want to play a different game than what they bought/fired up, but it's frustrating how few good servers are out there.

Another rather annoying thing we have is a giant pattern that keeps showing up and trailing us when we play. Pretty much any given night we play, it takes less than a handful of games before a lot of people on the enemy team start leaving/bitching or it just becomes a hilarious stomp. It's definitely our own fault for playing together with a full squad or close to that, but it's stupid how much of a difference 4/32 can make if they don't suck.

That just goes on to make it even harder since we have to switch servers once in a while for it to keep on being fun/challenging.

I agree with this sentiment entirely. It's hard to play with friends because we would get split up after each round due to score shuffling, and the games are usually a one-sided stomp. Switching servers is hard, mostly because you'd have to find a server that's open and filled somewhat so it isn't a ghost town, and that you're hunting forever to find someone.

Anyone want to team up for Laser Designations? That one is hard to get.

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rebdomine May 11 2012 12:39. Posts 1827

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On May 11 2012 12:16 Phelix wrote:

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I agree with this sentiment entirely. It's hard to play with friends because we would get split up after each round due to score shuffling, and the games are usually a one-sided stomp. Switching servers is hard, mostly because you'd have to find a server that's open and filled somewhat so it isn't a ghost town, and that you're hunting forever to find someone.

Anyone want to team up for Laser Designations? That one is hard to get.

I found those much easier to get on a rush map.

Divine-Sneaker Denmark. May 11 2012 18:46. Posts 787

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Do Oman CQL or Kharg rush to get laser designations. You get a zillion of them there.

CyDe United States. May 11 2012 21:52. Posts 999

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Man, as soon as I get home I am going to request these things on the DICE feedback forum:

A) Suppression changes- I feel this has been talked to death lately, but I really think reducing it and making it so that only bullets that fly next to your head suppress you. I remember yesterday I was playing on Norshahr Canals, and there was a guy 10 feet in front of me: I was suppressed, and despite the fact that I was aiming DIRECTLY at him, I got not even a hitmarker. Fuck. That. Bullshit.

B) They need to fix the people melding into walls by proning. What the fuck is this shit. I am so tired of people being able to have half of themselves hidden, and THEN START CAMPING. What the hell. Also I think it fucks with the hitboxes of their visible body, since I was playing as recon not too long ago and I was repeatedly hitting this guy in the head, and not even a hitmarker was to be seen. Come on.

C) This one is a little more friendly; I was there to be an extra bar on the score overlay that displays your current stats-- it bothers me when I join a 64 man server late into a game, and so I am not in the top 16, and then I have to wait until I die to see my stats. Would be nice just to have like an orange bar at the bottom of it displaying your score, kills, deaths etc as long as you are not on the top 16.

D) I don't like the way that the chat works. Not like it's position or hotkeys or anything, but it fucking pisses me off to no end that I will die, and then begin typing something in chat (not BM or anything haha), and then I get revived-- the chat window is still open, so I can't move, but I am not finished typing what I want to say. Or if you at the spawn screen and you get revived while chatting, it just removes all trace of you even typing anything. I wish that when you got revived, it would keep what you began to type, but give back control to WASD etc. To finish what you originally began to type you would just have to hit J/K/L or whatever. Anyone with me on this one?

E) On Norshahr Canals TDM, I am of the UTMOST opinion that they should remove the spawn next to the truck on the (West?) side of the map (near the containers). It is just a spawn camping fest. Fucking frustrating. If I spawn there, I just throw a grenade and accept my fate, hoping to maybe take some motherfucker down with me. Sometimes you will take two steps and an enemy will spawn behind you. Seriously? What the hell?

F) It would be cool to have a 'favorite filters' list.

G) Lastly, does anyone else get that bug where they bring up the score overlay, and half of the names are just hidden? To fix it you have to be in the spawn menu and then use your mouse to scroll up and down. However it is still really annoying and I wish they would fix it.

Sorry for the rant like post, most of these things just REALLY piss me off. I know you guys can't do anything about it, but I was hoping other people here felt the same way, and maybe could support the idea on the forums. Also I just need to remind myself to do it haha, since I always check this thread, and usually forget to do it on the DICE forums when I get home.

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Rixxe United Kingdom. May 11 2012 22:06. Posts 96

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On May 11 2012 21:52 CyDe wrote:
Man, as soon as I get home I am going to request these things on the DICE feedback forum:

A) Suppression changes- I feel this has been talked to death lately, but I really think reducing it and making it so that only bullets that fly next to your head suppress you. I remember yesterday I was playing on Norshahr Canals, and there was a guy 10 feet in front of me: I was suppressed, and despite the fact that I was aiming DIRECTLY at him, I got not even a hitmarker. Fuck. That. Bullshit.

B) They need to fix the people melding into walls by proning. What the fuck is this shit. I am so tired of people being able to have half of themselves hidden, and THEN START CAMPING. What the hell. Also I think it fucks with the hitboxes of their visible body, since I was playing as recon not too long ago and I was repeatedly hitting this guy in the head, and not even a hitmarker was to be seen. Come on.

C) This one is a little more friendly; I was there to be an extra bar on the score overlay that displays your current stats-- it bothers me when I join a 64 man server late into a game, and so I am not in the top 16, and then I have to wait until I die to see my stats. Would be nice just to have like an orange bar at the bottom of it displaying your score, kills, deaths etc as long as you are not on the top 16.

D) I don't like the way that the chat works. Not like it's position or hotkeys or anything, but it fucking pisses me off to no end that I will die, and then begin typing something in chat (not BM or anything haha), and then I get revived-- the chat window is still open, so I can't move, but I am not finished typing what I want to say. Or if you at the spawn screen and you get revived while chatting, it just removes all trace of you even typing anything. I wish that when you got revived, it would keep what you began to type, but give back control to WASD etc. To finish what you originally began to type you would just have to hit J/K/L or whatever. Anyone with me on this one?

E) On Norshahr Canals TDM, I am of the UTMOST opinion that they should remove the spawn next to the truck on the (West?) side of the map (near the containers). It is just a spawn camping fest. Fucking frustrating. If I spawn there, I just throw a grenade and accept my fate, hoping to maybe take some motherfucker down with me. Sometimes you will take two steps and an enemy will spawn behind you. Seriously? What the hell?

F) It would be cool to have a 'favorite filters' list.

G) Lastly, does anyone else get that bug where they bring up the score overlay, and half of the names are just hidden? To fix it you have to be in the spawn menu and then use your mouse to scroll up and down. However it is still really annoying and I wish they would fix it.

Sorry for the rant like post, most of these things just REALLY piss me off. I know you guys can't do anything about it, but I was hoping other people here felt the same way, and maybe could support the idea on the forums. Also I just need to remind myself to do it haha, since I always check this thread, and usually forget to do it on the DICE forums when I get home.

A) Meh. Can't say i agree as i dont have issues when playing with the changes, i just deal with it, and find cover. Like you just run now, rather than fire back.

B) I've noticed this too, your example really is bloody annoying, however on the flip side i've seen someone melding through a wall, as i was outside i killed him by shooting is legs... kinda odd at the time. But yes, needs fixing.

C) 100% agree (Never below 16 but nice idea :D)

D) I don't understand why the chat isn't persistant. Like after the round ends, while you select your guns, etc etc.
Would like to be able to type in chat during those times, and during the game. Plus it promotes a bit of banter which is always fun.

E) Again, i think you just need to be lucky. There are plenty (and i mean PLENTY) of maps in which the spawns are a bit iffy. Spawning next to a tank for example, you get to see the turret turn before you die. It's one of those things you need to deal with. OR they should just try and attempt to check for an enemy in a certain radius of where you will spawn next.

F) Meh, not such a big deal imo. Not like it takes forever to go through the list and find what you want.

G) Never seen that, but then again there are quite a few bugs that are around in this game.

All i would say, is that many of the obvious problems that won't get fixed like the sodding DART. I've just learnt to deal with, however i agree that little bugs (wall melding) should really be fixed before the game even gets launched. I'm sure it's something they MUST have thought to test right?

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Chriscras Korea (South). May 11 2012 22:22. Posts 2738

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So am I wrong or does the CQC expansion come out next week??

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