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| galtdunn United States. July 29 2011 03:39. Posts 799 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 03:04 Soluhwin wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 23:05 galtdunn wrote:
On July 28 2011 21:36 therealmcgee wrote:
guys what is an effective way to deal with mutas as protoss, it seems every game im against them i lose cause im forced to turtle and defend when he gets about 5 bases to my 2
Another idea is the right when you see he has mutas, you just go fucking kill him. Zerg has to invest a lot into mutas, and they aren't that strong as an army unit. If you just go attack with whatever you have, you can usually do a lot of damage to him.
This is actually a terrible idea, if you attack right when your opponent siezes map control then he counter attacks to half your economy while you're walking across the map, then pulls back just in time to defend. When you see your opponent has mutalisks the correct thing to do is just turtle up, and deflect harass after harass. You want to make a transition towards templar tech because a few good storms can cut the muta count down significantly, and archons are also good at shooing away mutas. Templar tech is also gas intensive, so it allows you to invest in a ridiculous number of cannons to stop counter attacks. Also: you want to bear in mind that the zerg can not be everywhere at once with his/her murder of mutas, I recommend doing some form of harassment only to pull the mutas away from your base allowing you to take a third. Once you feel comfortable on 3 base with an appropriate number of cannons set up then you should be fine to go about the map again, just know that if your opponent goes mutas then the game will probably be a long one.
The point is that you don't need to defend, a quick push as soon as mutas pop is supposed to kill him, as in win the game. I'm not saying it's the only or the best strategy, but if you're going to do it, it's pretty much an all-in, as you're sacrificing your economy to kill him.
And like I said before, mutas aren't good as an army unit, so even if they come help you have a good chance.Last edit: 2011-07-29 03:39:52 |
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| Blazinghand United States. July 29 2011 03:39. Posts 12203 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 03:23 Retgery wrote:
Not so much strategy but what is a good way to find people to play with? I have tried the practice partner thread but that never ended well, I ended up defriending people after a short while. Are there casual clans that will except half decent players?
Yes, there are. I recommend that you stop by the TL teamspeak server, or the TL IRC chat (which has thousands of users). Also good places to find practice partners are watching the streams of popular players in those chat rooms, or from people you play on the ladder. You can also stop by public IRC channels related to starcraft 2 and poke around in there. |
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| Soluhwin United States. July 29 2011 03:48. Posts 1111 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 03:39 galtdunn wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 03:04 Soluhwin wrote:
On July 28 2011 23:05 galtdunn wrote:
On July 28 2011 21:36 therealmcgee wrote:
guys what is an effective way to deal with mutas as protoss, it seems every game im against them i lose cause im forced to turtle and defend when he gets about 5 bases to my 2
Another idea is the right when you see he has mutas, you just go fucking kill him. Zerg has to invest a lot into mutas, and they aren't that strong as an army unit. If you just go attack with whatever you have, you can usually do a lot of damage to him.
This is actually a terrible idea, if you attack right when your opponent siezes map control then he counter attacks to half your economy while you're walking across the map, then pulls back just in time to defend. When you see your opponent has mutalisks the correct thing to do is just turtle up, and deflect harass after harass. You want to make a transition towards templar tech because a few good storms can cut the muta count down significantly, and archons are also good at shooing away mutas. Templar tech is also gas intensive, so it allows you to invest in a ridiculous number of cannons to stop counter attacks. Also: you want to bear in mind that the zerg can not be everywhere at once with his/her murder of mutas, I recommend doing some form of harassment only to pull the mutas away from your base allowing you to take a third. Once you feel comfortable on 3 base with an appropriate number of cannons set up then you should be fine to go about the map again, just know that if your opponent goes mutas then the game will probably be a long one.
The point is that you don't need to defend, a quick push as soon as mutas pop is supposed to kill him, as in win the game. I'm not saying it's the only or the best strategy, but if you're going to do it, it's pretty much an all-in, as you're sacrificing your economy to kill him. And like I said before, mutas aren't good as an army unit, so even if they come help you have a good chance.
http://drop.sc/16095 Look at this game, the protoss made a good timing attack but I had rushed for mutas so quickly that I had them out in time to contain him/her. Now, my opponent decides to attack anyway and what ends up happening is I eventually hold it off with roach rallys and my opponent just doesn't have the economy to try to carry the game out. I didn't need to make a single spine and I still held it off, I reaaaaaally don't think a counter attack while the spire is out will do much good. If you want to go kill them then you have to do it while the spire is building. |
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| galtdunn United States. July 29 2011 03:51. Posts 799 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 03:48 Soluhwin wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 03:39 galtdunn wrote:
On July 29 2011 03:04 Soluhwin wrote:
On July 28 2011 23:05 galtdunn wrote:
On July 28 2011 21:36 therealmcgee wrote:
guys what is an effective way to deal with mutas as protoss, it seems every game im against them i lose cause im forced to turtle and defend when he gets about 5 bases to my 2
Another idea is the right when you see he has mutas, you just go fucking kill him. Zerg has to invest a lot into mutas, and they aren't that strong as an army unit. If you just go attack with whatever you have, you can usually do a lot of damage to him.
This is actually a terrible idea, if you attack right when your opponent siezes map control then he counter attacks to half your economy while you're walking across the map, then pulls back just in time to defend. When you see your opponent has mutalisks the correct thing to do is just turtle up, and deflect harass after harass. You want to make a transition towards templar tech because a few good storms can cut the muta count down significantly, and archons are also good at shooing away mutas. Templar tech is also gas intensive, so it allows you to invest in a ridiculous number of cannons to stop counter attacks. Also: you want to bear in mind that the zerg can not be everywhere at once with his/her murder of mutas, I recommend doing some form of harassment only to pull the mutas away from your base allowing you to take a third. Once you feel comfortable on 3 base with an appropriate number of cannons set up then you should be fine to go about the map again, just know that if your opponent goes mutas then the game will probably be a long one.
The point is that you don't need to defend, a quick push as soon as mutas pop is supposed to kill him, as in win the game. I'm not saying it's the only or the best strategy, but if you're going to do it, it's pretty much an all-in, as you're sacrificing your economy to kill him. And like I said before, mutas aren't good as an army unit, so even if they come help you have a good chance.
Look at this game, the protoss made a good timing attack but I had rushed for mutas so quickly that I had them out in time to contain him/her. Now, my opponent decides to attack anyway and what ends up happening is I eventually hold it off with roach rallys and my opponent just doesn't have the economy to try to carry the game out. I didn't need to make a single spine and I still held it off, I reaaaaaally don't think a counter attack while the spire is out will do much good. If you want to go kill them then you have to do it while the spire is building.
Fine then  don't do it. I don't play protoss anyways, I was just under the impression that that was a common strategy against a Zerg that gets mutas. like day9 says, if he's trying to do something cute, just go kill him. |
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| Rank999Kyu United States. July 29 2011 04:04. Posts 1 | Profile # |
Terran build order, Let the 8th SCV complete mineral extraction once, and move it to build the supple wall is about an exact time when the you get 100 minerals as you reach the wall.
My question is "Do players take their time to see if their SCVs have minerals in hand, or would they take an empty SCV to build?" |
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| Soluhwin United States. July 29 2011 05:05. Posts 1111 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 04:04 Rank999Kyu wrote:
Terran build order, Let the 8th SCV complete mineral extraction once, and move it to build the supple wall is about an exact time when the you get 100 minerals as you reach the wall.
My question is "Do players take their time to see if their SCVs have minerals in hand, or would they take an empty SCV to build?"
It doesn't really matter, but for efficiency's sake you should use one that is empty. |
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| saaaa Germany. July 29 2011 05:11. Posts 373 | Profile # |
Is it possible to create more than 2 patrol points?
I mean i saw this in a game but i did'nt figure it out how it works
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| Blazinghand United States. July 29 2011 05:20. Posts 12203 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 05:11 saaaa wrote:
Is it possible to create more than 2 patrol points?
I mean i saw this in a game but i did'nt figure it out how it works
To set a patrol with more than one checkpoint, hold down the shift key and click each checkpoint (besides the unit's starting position) in order.
If the final checkpoint is in the same location as the first checkpoint, the unit will go to the first checkpoint and continue from there, so that if there are 4 check points instead of going 1-2-3-4-3-2-1-2-3-4, the unit will go 1-2-3-4(1)-2-3-4(1)-2-3-4(1), making a triangle. |
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| CecilSunkure United States. July 29 2011 05:53. Posts 2236 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 05:11 saaaa wrote:
Is it possible to create more than 2 patrol points?
I mean i saw this in a game but i did'nt figure it out how it works
Yes, you can create a patrol waypoint in a shape of something, perhaps a circle around a base, or a square at the natural to block a Zergling. Select unit -> hit p -> hold shift + click. |
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| Shintuku Canada. July 29 2011 07:14. Posts 76 | Profile # |
| What do people refer to when saying things like "metagame your opponent" or "that isn't metagaming"? |
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| Kambing United States. July 29 2011 07:22. Posts 1086 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 07:14 Shintuku wrote:
What do people refer to when saying things like "metagame your opponent" or "that isn't metagaming"?
On April 27 2011 13:40 Kambing wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 13:31 svefnleysi wrote:
I hear the term metagame thrown around a bit - what's the actual definition of the word?
"The factors external to the game that affect the game itself": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetagamingFor example, anticipating that your opponent will go forge FE-void ray on Shakuras because you saw in his match history that has done it in his last 5 Shakuras games is an example of "playing the metagame".
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| Emporio United States. July 29 2011 07:30. Posts 2663 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 03:51 galtdunn wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 03:48 Soluhwin wrote:
On July 29 2011 03:39 galtdunn wrote:
On July 29 2011 03:04 Soluhwin wrote:
On July 28 2011 23:05 galtdunn wrote:
On July 28 2011 21:36 therealmcgee wrote:
guys what is an effective way to deal with mutas as protoss, it seems every game im against them i lose cause im forced to turtle and defend when he gets about 5 bases to my 2
Another idea is the right when you see he has mutas, you just go fucking kill him. Zerg has to invest a lot into mutas, and they aren't that strong as an army unit. If you just go attack with whatever you have, you can usually do a lot of damage to him.
This is actually a terrible idea, if you attack right when your opponent siezes map control then he counter attacks to half your economy while you're walking across the map, then pulls back just in time to defend. When you see your opponent has mutalisks the correct thing to do is just turtle up, and deflect harass after harass. You want to make a transition towards templar tech because a few good storms can cut the muta count down significantly, and archons are also good at shooing away mutas. Templar tech is also gas intensive, so it allows you to invest in a ridiculous number of cannons to stop counter attacks. Also: you want to bear in mind that the zerg can not be everywhere at once with his/her murder of mutas, I recommend doing some form of harassment only to pull the mutas away from your base allowing you to take a third. Once you feel comfortable on 3 base with an appropriate number of cannons set up then you should be fine to go about the map again, just know that if your opponent goes mutas then the game will probably be a long one.
The point is that you don't need to defend, a quick push as soon as mutas pop is supposed to kill him, as in win the game. I'm not saying it's the only or the best strategy, but if you're going to do it, it's pretty much an all-in, as you're sacrificing your economy to kill him. And like I said before, mutas aren't good as an army unit, so even if they come help you have a good chance.
Look at this game, the protoss made a good timing attack but I had rushed for mutas so quickly that I had them out in time to contain him/her. Now, my opponent decides to attack anyway and what ends up happening is I eventually hold it off with roach rallys and my opponent just doesn't have the economy to try to carry the game out. I didn't need to make a single spine and I still held it off, I reaaaaaally don't think a counter attack while the spire is out will do much good. If you want to go kill them then you have to do it while the spire is building.
Fine then don't do it. I don't play protoss anyways, I was just under the impression that that was a common strategy against a Zerg that gets mutas. like day9 says, if he's trying to do something cute, just go kill him.
I don't think that you can necessarily call getting mutas "cute" is the main issue. It's not like the Zerg went one base muta. Now, if a zerg goes only muta with only unupgraded speedlings, no roaches and no spine crawlers, then going for a base trade might not be the worst idea in the world. But getting a few muta, maybe with a roach army or infestors preparing to go brood lord/ infestor, isn't something I would call "cute".
You are right in that mutas are not so great in standup fights, but they can fight, especially with enough support from other units. |
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| Catchafire2000 United States. July 29 2011 08:00. Posts 227 | Profile # |
| a terran goes ALL marauders and pushes against protoss. what should protoss counter with? |
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| CecilSunkure United States. July 29 2011 08:08. Posts 2236 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 08:00 Catchafire2000 wrote:
a terran goes ALL marauders and pushes against protoss. what should protoss counter with?
Zealot sentry immortal! Or a voidray. |
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| defaspect United States. July 29 2011 08:36. Posts 21 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 08:00 Catchafire2000 wrote:
a terran goes ALL marauders and pushes against protoss. what should protoss counter with?
dts or one voidray |
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| Catchafire2000 United States. July 29 2011 10:22. Posts 227 | Profile # | |
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| yankjenets United States. July 29 2011 13:07. Posts 224 | Profile # |
| Can you feedback orbital command centers? |
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| Shintuku Canada. July 29 2011 13:31. Posts 76 | Profile # |
To above: Can't target structures.
At what time in the game would a protoss expansion be considered late/delayed?Last edit: 2011-07-29 13:37:03 |
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| Skank United States. July 29 2011 13:39. Posts 253 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 13:31 Shintuku wrote:
To above: Can't target structures.
At what time in the game would a protoss expansion be considered late/delayed?
I'd say if it's after 7:30 it's late. Delayed is more tricky... Most protoss expand between 6:15 and 7:00 in PvT and PvZ. PvP is yeah... 4 gate. Or 3 gate robo. Which means late expos. |
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| Blazinghand United States. July 29 2011 14:11. Posts 12203 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 13:31 Shintuku wrote:
To above: Can't target structures.
At what time in the game would a protoss expansion be considered late/delayed?
can't target non-pdd structures, rather. the pdd is an odd exception to the rule, being a flying structure that may be feedbacked. |
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