On February 04 2011 13:37 RifleCow wrote: Wow, so blizzard didn't add the GSL maps. Well all hope is now lost.
Give the new maps a chance before saying something like that.
The point is that now the ladder map pool =/= the map pool for the largest tournament which is bound to cause problems
I don't see that being an issue. I assume GSL will cancel that move and use these maps. Any other move would be the wrong one
No they would rather still use their maps as they are more balanced at the moment.....plus it's easier for them to give feedback to the maps and map issues take much less time to rectify.
What is this comment based on?
Based on the fact that GSL maps have been tested by Gisado Star challenge by semi-pros and has been adjusted.
GSL also have dismissed couple maps and has been very careful about picking from the new Gisado map pool.
They are still just maps that happened to be available and looked decent enough and not maps specifically designed for GSL or likely high level play. Furthermore, the vast majority of Gisado games played on the new maps were pretty low quality and offered little to no data in terms of balance. They may or may not be balanced, but I certainly wouldn't try to assert they are "more balanced".
They probably are more balanced, but until we see some really high-level games, I don't think we state they are as a matter of scientific fact.
On February 04 2011 20:43 Morfildur wrote: Somehow this discussion reminds me about all the shakuras plateau flaming that occured when that map was added to the ladder pool... Everyone hated it, now most people favour it...
I'll just sit back and wait how the maps play out. As a Zerg player i see a lot of nice options on each of those maps.
That thread was great. True, people didn't know about the wacky spawning rules, but they were saying it sucked generally in all positions.
While Jungle Basin turned out to be a bad map, it wasn't because nukes were OP on it like TL was saying at the time.
A lot of people just hate these maps cause they're not GSL maps/"Actiblizzard" is inherently evil. Test Map 2 is going to be really popular once people start playing on it, I think because it's actually really good. At least, I think it is. Data will say for sure :D
At first i felt just like most users here, dissapointet. But i thinkt overall that many of them are much much better as junglebasin/steppes... so it is an improvment. They are not fancy like testbugthat is kinda sad. Overall i feel blizzards want to test 4player maps and not all of them will make it to the ladder pool. Probably 2-3 of them. First of all i'm glad blizzard acts (!) and is trying to do better maps, but i feel they rushed themselfs because gom/esl starting to use other maps and they don't want to learn from those mapmakers. This is the point which confuses me the most. Why don't they just copy testbug/gsl-maps and add a few of their maps? I mean blizzard always said that every map is their property...
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Grummler Germany. February 04 2011 20:55. Posts 743
These maps are actually NOT BAD. I dislike how so many armchair-commanders try to be all clever and sc2 wise while explaining how shitty the new maps are.
I mean, testmap1 is basically lost temple - without the cliff at the natural - island expos are now easier to reach (no islands anymore) - much more space in the center
So, from a non terran point of view the new lt is actually much better. Zergs gonna love this map. You can get your 2nd, 3rd, 4th and even your 5th base in one single corner of the map, connect them all with creep in a matter of minutes while having a lot of space for surrounding and run by's in the center.
Its basically the same with all other maps: What map will be replaced?
Imagine steppes of war, junglin basin, blistering sands and lost temple being replaced with these 4 new maps. That would be a huge step in the right direction.
Of course it would be an epic fail if they replace some of the bigger and better maps. But we dont know that yet. Its too early to judge anything.
First of all im guessing 95% of the ppl moaning and whining about how the maps suck more then a clogged toilet that has just been fixed, havent even played one of the maps. 2. 95% of the posts are ppl bitching and moaning about how the maps suck... which leads me to believe that ppl are just mindlessly posting the first thing that comes to mind or restating something they heard from a VOD/stream rather then giving their own personal opinion after playing the maps. 3. By asking for maps that are 'balanced' (removing cliff, easier to take naturals, etc.) might win you more games, but in the long run it babies your ability to play, which would actually make you an inferior player, which is the complete opposite of what i want. ( if you can cut the map in half and get two/four identical parts, i see that as true balance, how could it really be any more complex then that.)
Play these maps and give some constructive criticism or just man up and be thankful for new content. who knows maybe someone from blizzard will actually skim though these forums one day and take some suggestions into consideration, rather then looking through the first couple of pages to see that this topic is more worthless then trash.
I played on testmap3 as terren against zerg ( i was top right, he was top left) . the game ended when i sieged up near the gold and managed to take out the enemies expo and then slowly pushed with my tanks up to his natural. I noticed that having control of the middle gold area gave me a bigger benefit then most other maps (aka babying, because controlling the center of the map is obviously a great thing, but having a gold and 2 xel towers there makes it really awesome)
one last point id like to make, man up. back in BW days ppl didnt have the luxury to publicize all there complaints and look like abunch of girly-men.
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iseefor United States. February 04 2011 21:05. Posts 111
i dont really think these maps are better. the new lost temple is good and the 2nd and 3rd map look decent, but the 4th and 5th look, well well se. but i really hope blizzard does not take out some good maps like xel naga caverns and shakuras... please blizzard let some folks from the community fo the work 4 u. they do it better!
alepov Netherlands. February 04 2011 21:16. Posts 1132