| Poo Canada. June 10 2011 14:08. Posts 399 | Profile Blog # |
Would just like to say thanks for the awesome stream. Also, I really like your metal. it suits playing sc2 imo.
Is there anyway you'd consider adding some sort of overlay to let us see your song? That'd be super sick. I'm sure it'd be easier than posting a playlist, and it'd let some of us expand our library of metal music if we don't have specific song you're playing :D Last edit: 2011-06-10 14:08:36 |
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| NguN Australia. June 10 2011 16:35. Posts 1195 | Profile # |
| Great song selection. Heard some Pearl Jam, Incubus and Soundgarden in the past 10 minutes =D |
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| Light`iu Spain. June 11 2011 08:30. Posts 51 | Profile # |
Probably my favorite stream and I'm a terran player. You're just a really likeable guy and your commentary is top notch. I feel almost dirty getting so much knowledge for free just by watching your stream.
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| Sephy90 United States. June 11 2011 09:21. Posts 1687 | Profile Blog # |
| Did I just hear Light This City? Wow I'm impressed Geoff lol. Too bad they broke up right? |
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| nitdkim June 11 2011 09:22. Posts 1249 | Profile Blog # |
you sound a bit hoarse on your stream. Get a good rest! NASL and fans depends on your healthy voice  |
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| Complete United States. June 11 2011 10:30. Posts 812 | Profile # |
| Is it really common place for a streamer to open another person's stream and just talk/commejtate while watching his stream? I'm not saying anything bad about Incontrol because maybe he got grubby's/spanishwa's permission to do it, but I'd think that with the fact that people actually get money from the amount of viewers they have it's a bit rude to do it... Last edit: 2011-06-11 10:30:28 |
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| turdburgler England. June 11 2011 10:50. Posts 4646 | Profile Blog # |
On June 11 2011 10:30 Complete wrote:
Is it really common place for a streamer to open another person's stream and just talk/commejtate while watching his stream? I'm not saying anything bad about Incontrol because maybe he got grubby's/spanishwa's permission to do it, but I'd think that with the fact that people actually get money from the amount of viewers they have it's a bit rude to do it...
if they were watching incontrol, the other streamer didnt have them to start with
if they are watching both, why would they close the other stream?
if they are just watching incontrol, they might be introduced to a new stream |
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| Complete United States. June 11 2011 11:03. Posts 812 | Profile # |
On June 11 2011 10:50 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 10:30 Complete wrote:
Is it really common place for a streamer to open another person's stream and just talk/commejtate while watching his stream? I'm not saying anything bad about Incontrol because maybe he got grubby's/spanishwa's permission to do it, but I'd think that with the fact that people actually get money from the amount of viewers they have it's a bit rude to do it...
if they were watching incontrol, the other streamer didnt have them to start with if they are watching both, why would they close the other stream? if they are just watching incontrol, they might be introduced to a new stream
I don't see how you get the logic that if they choose to watch incontrol they weren't watching grubby to start with. A friend says 'yo inc streaming grubby with commentary' and i automatically would switch from grubby's stream to incontrol's stream; more content. Or hell, he just see's incontrol is streaming and decides to watch him over grubby, but incontrol is just using grubby's content.
You can argue that people are watching his stream because he's doing the commentary and the extra interaction, but you're still stealing/using (depending on permission) at the expense of him ($$$$$$$) |
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| Engore United States. June 11 2011 11:10. Posts 1909 | Profile Blog # |
On June 11 2011 11:03 Complete wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 10:50 turdburgler wrote:
On June 11 2011 10:30 Complete wrote:
Is it really common place for a streamer to open another person's stream and just talk/commejtate while watching his stream? I'm not saying anything bad about Incontrol because maybe he got grubby's/spanishwa's permission to do it, but I'd think that with the fact that people actually get money from the amount of viewers they have it's a bit rude to do it...
if they were watching incontrol, the other streamer didnt have them to start with if they are watching both, why would they close the other stream? if they are just watching incontrol, they might be introduced to a new stream
I don't see how you get the logic that if they choose to watch incontrol they weren't watching grubby to start with. A friend says 'yo inc streaming grubby with commentary' and i automatically would switch from grubby's stream to incontrol's stream; more content. Or hell, he just see's incontrol is streaming and decides to watch him over grubby, but incontrol is just using grubby's content. You can argue that people are watching his stream because he's doing the commentary and the extra interaction, but you're still stealing/using (depending on permission) at the expense of him ($$$$$$$)
Grubby and Spanishiwa both knew that he was streaming their streams. They said hi to him on their streams and didn't seem to have a problem with it. Most people aren't making a living on streaming so i doubt they really care.
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| iNcontroL USA. June 11 2011 11:28. Posts 28388 | Profile Blog # |
people watch / commentate other streams all the time.
It's pretty simple really.. if the person commentating isn't good at it nobody tunes in. If the person being streamed is bad nobody commentates their stream. It isn't like anybody has a stream made up entirely of streaming other people. Tyler, Day9, myself from time to time obs streams and commentate them.. not a big deal.
If anything most people have both streams up. |
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| Complete United States. June 11 2011 11:59. Posts 812 | Profile # |
The fact that other people do it all the time doesn't mean it's right nor that it should be (although I've never seen it before, but I don't watch non-tournament streams often). I was just using you as an example I guess then.
Just because you don't do it often shouldn't weight in the argument either. Either it's okay to do it all the time or it's not okay to do it at all.
The rest of your argument I don't really understand.
I won't post again as it's not a big deal and obviously nobody who is effected minds so no big deal. In the future to anybody who does something like this I'd recommend if you want to commentate - go ahead - but just do audio so the viewers have to have both streams open. Can't take viewers then. |
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| iNcontroL USA. June 11 2011 12:07. Posts 28388 | Profile Blog # |
I disagree completely.
Having a precedent and a threshold for things is completely fine. Eating pizza is fine. Eating only pizza is bad. Other people doing something that is/was found acceptable means it is more than likely acceptable for you to do it as long as the factors remain fairly similar.
You are arguing to argue as you've stated several times you essentially have no context in terms of historical use of said activity nor do you have any stake in what is being discussed. This last element will probably be another thing you throw away as "I don't know why that matters" but of course it does. Streamers don't care. People that do it / have had it done via their stream don't care. Some random guy who probably watches streams wants to argue about it = less important. |
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| saer June 11 2011 12:28. Posts 40 | Profile # |
| Personally I always enjoy when incontrol commentates idra's games or anybody else's, but I do think it would be nice for the commentator, incontrol in this case, to throw a plug in there to go ahead and open the commentated stream and mute it. For instance, I didn't even think of it the first time until somebody mentioned it in chat. If people don't want to, fine, but anything you can do to send viewers their way is great imo. |
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| Complete United States. June 11 2011 12:49. Posts 812 | Profile # |
I'm not quite sure how eating pizza is comparable in this situation, but if you want to use the analogy route how about stealing. Stealing a lot is bad. Stealing once is still illegal and still bad (morally too!). Right and wrong actions aren't about moderation like eating pizza is.
Also - keep in mind there could be a small yet key difference between found acceptable and tolerated. Nobody did anything about it because nobody really cared (also, nobody started streaming for money until relatively recently unless I'm mistaken. Historical context past a few months isn't relevant). It's only a matter of maybe $5 to Grubby (using today as an example) so it's possible it's just not worth making a fuss over it especially since it doesn't happen often. He tolerates it (disclaimer: not making judgment on what his thoughts actually are.). The fact that it's new is also a decent reason to bring up the topic at least to think about.
Arguing about right and wrong is never 'arguing to argue' btw. Just because it doesn't affect me directly doesn't mean I don't care, nor does it mean I shouldn't have an opinion. I love the SC2 scene and streaming is a large part of it - especially with people starting to stream for the rare money that pro gamers need to keep doing what they do.
Sorry for posting when I said I wouldn't post anymore. Bad analogies to argue is a bit of a pet peeve. And it seems quite simple to just have audio and maybe something on the screen telling the viewers what you're doing. Problem solved, and fact in this case you'd probably get him more viewers.Last edit: 2011-06-11 12:55:03 |
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| Venomsflame United States. June 11 2011 13:15. Posts 509 | Profile # |
| iNcontrol why you so pretty. ^o^ |
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| iNcontroL USA. June 11 2011 13:38. Posts 28388 | Profile Blog # |
| People bitch about everything lol. Guess what? Nobody involveD cares so I'm good to go thx though Last edit: 2011-06-11 13:39:29 |
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| Venomsflame United States. June 11 2011 14:16. Posts 509 | Profile # |
On June 11 2011 13:38 iNcontroL wrote:
People bitch about everything lol. Guess what? Nobody involveD cares so I'm good to go thx though
Basically, do whatever the fuck you want until it's actually an issue. Stream any game you want until somebody(like Grubby or IdrA) tells you not to. If Grubby says please don't steal my viewers, then you have no right to. But if Grubby doesn't give a fuck then there's no reason any one else should. Your commentary adds content for the viewers, there's really no way to argue against that. |
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| Spaceball United States. June 11 2011 14:20. Posts 211 | Profile # |
| Every time incontrol starts commentating on someone's stream, I usually tend to open that stream up too and then mute it while listening to incontrol's commentary (you get a better resolution this way). I'm sure I'm not the only one who does that either, so his commentary has to be adding views just as much as its taking them away (which hardly seems like a big deal in the first place). |
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