| Talemar United States. July 29 2012 10:39. Posts 1 | Profile Blog # |
On February 22 2011 15:21 QuanticState wrote:
You never cease to amaze me, Excal. ^^;
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| ShnAndrei Romania. August 24 2012 06:40. Posts 151 | Profile # |
@Excalibur
You said in the OP that MMR doesn't carry over if you are inactive an entire season. What does that actually mean? Say I am in platinum and I don't play any games in an entire season. Does that mean that if I start playing in the following season, I will not be distributed in the platinum league? |
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| Lysenko United States. August 24 2012 07:17. Posts 2023 | Profile Blog # |
On August 24 2012 06:40 ShnAndrei wrote:
@Excalibur
You said in the OP that MMR doesn't carry over if you are inactive an entire season. What does that actually mean? Say I am in platinum and I don't play any games in an entire season. Does that mean that if I start playing in the following season, I will not be distributed in the platinum league?
It means that you will have to play 5 placements and get placed in a league without reference to your earlier MMR. It's like wiping the MMR slate clean, almost.
I say "almost" because if you have been playing team games every season, for example, and you skip a season in 1v1, when you return, your opponents in those 5 placements will be biased higher or lower by your team league performance, which in turn at some earlier point was probably influenced by your two-seasons-earlier 1v1 performance in the same way.
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| ShnAndrei Romania. August 24 2012 18:33. Posts 151 | Profile # |
| @Lysenko, thanks for you reply! |
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| BFPinkerton United States. August 31 2012 02:13. Posts 5 | Profile # |
| Promotion is based soley off MMR, not off points right? Say there are two diamonds trying to get promoted, at the start of the season, one has 1050 points with no bonus pool and the otehr has 1000 points with 70 bonus pool they didn't play out. Would the 1000 point player get promoted over the 1050? |
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 Excalibur_Z United States. August 31 2012 02:30. Posts 10293 | Profile # |
On August 31 2012 02:13 BFPinkerton wrote:
Promotion is based soley off MMR, not off points right? Say there are two diamonds trying to get promoted, at the start of the season, one has 1050 points with no bonus pool and the otehr has 1000 points with 70 bonus pool they didn't play out. Would the 1000 point player get promoted over the 1050?
Possibly. The 1000-point player shows a potential of getting 1070 (or more, or less) but nothing guaranteed, whereas the 1050 player has already proven he is capable of 1050. The promotions are determined by fixed MMR boundaries and a stability factor, so it doesn't take whomever is the better of the two example players. If they're both over the threshold, they both get promoted. |
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| AoWLuXus Korea (South). August 31 2012 10:32. Posts 107 | Profile # |
| I have a question in terms of match making. If you search and then immediately cancel and then research, it will keep displaying "Looking for players" till you find a match. Does anyone know if it's just a display bug or if it actually prevents the system from extended the search to players whose mmr are a lot different than your own? |
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| Lysenko United States. August 31 2012 10:41. Posts 2023 | Profile Blog # |
On August 31 2012 10:32 AoWLuXus wrote:
I have a question in terms of match making. If you search and then immediately cancel and then research, it will keep displaying "Looking for players" till you find a match. Does anyone know if it's just a display bug or if it actually prevents the system from extended the search to players whose mmr are a lot different than your own?
I don't know, but I'd suspect that it's just the display not catching up with what's going on on the server -- i.e. it has no effect. |
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| AoWLuXus Korea (South). August 31 2012 10:58. Posts 107 | Profile # |
On August 31 2012 10:41 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 10:32 AoWLuXus wrote:
I have a question in terms of match making. If you search and then immediately cancel and then research, it will keep displaying "Looking for players" till you find a match. Does anyone know if it's just a display bug or if it actually prevents the system from extended the search to players whose mmr are a lot different than your own?
I don't know, but I'd suspect that it's just the display not catching up with what's going on on the server -- i.e. it has no effect.
might very well be, I havent had the time to try and make an experiment of many games. |
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| jw232 United States. September 08 2012 03:41. Posts 151 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 07:17 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:40 ShnAndrei wrote:
@Excalibur
You said in the OP that MMR doesn't carry over if you are inactive an entire season. What does that actually mean? Say I am in platinum and I don't play any games in an entire season. Does that mean that if I start playing in the following season, I will not be distributed in the platinum league?
It means that you will have to play 5 placements and get placed in a league without reference to your earlier MMR. It's like wiping the MMR slate clean, almost. I say "almost" because if you have been playing team games every season, for example, and you skip a season in 1v1, when you return, your opponents in those 5 placements will be biased higher or lower by your team league performance, which in turn at some earlier point was probably influenced by your two-seasons-earlier 1v1 performance in the same way.
Is this true? I haven't played since 2011 Season 4 and only had to play one placement match to get placed this season. |
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| Lysenko United States. September 08 2012 07:22. Posts 2023 | Profile Blog # |
On September 08 2012 03:41 jw232 wrote:
Is this true? I haven't played since 2011 Season 4 and only had to play one placement match to get placed this season.
Blizzard has said that you should have to repeat your placements if you skip a season, but it's very possible that's an oversimplification, that they've changed the rules since making that statement, or that there's a bug of some kind. |
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| korona September 08 2012 07:44. Posts 505 | Profile # |
On September 08 2012 03:41 jw232 wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:17 Lysenko wrote:
On August 24 2012 06:40 ShnAndrei wrote:
@Excalibur
You said in the OP that MMR doesn't carry over if you are inactive an entire season. What does that actually mean? Say I am in platinum and I don't play any games in an entire season. Does that mean that if I start playing in the following season, I will not be distributed in the platinum league?
It means that you will have to play 5 placements and get placed in a league without reference to your earlier MMR. It's like wiping the MMR slate clean, almost. I say "almost" because if you have been playing team games every season, for example, and you skip a season in 1v1, when you return, your opponents in those 5 placements will be biased higher or lower by your team league performance, which in turn at some earlier point was probably influenced by your two-seasons-earlier 1v1 performance in the same way.
Is this true? I haven't played since 2011 Season 4 and only had to play one placement match to get placed this season.
Are you sure you had not played random team games last season? As 1v1 MMR and random team MMR is connected so that if either type is played in previous season, neither MMR will be reset in the new season:
"Special Note: Random Team MMR is linked with 1v1 MMR. This means that if you did not play any 1v1 for one season, but did play a Random Team game, your 1v1 MMR would still carry over to the next season, and vice versa." |
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| Kambing United States. September 14 2012 04:09. Posts 1086 | Profile # |
Q: did they change demotion criteria recently (particularly with the recent tier changes)? I have an account that was formerly low masters that I've tanked (cough) with repeated losses. Currently the account is now in diamond but is now consistently being matched against bronze opponents. I've done this in the past on the same account where I noticed that I was demoted further (afaik to either plat or gold) before I was consistently playing against bronze opponents.
Expected behavior? Or is this different from the expectations on how demotion works? |
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| Lysenko United States. September 14 2012 06:41. Posts 2023 | Profile Blog # |
It's possible that either tier removal itself or some other change in the background has made demotion in that case less likely. Since you're manipulating your rating in a way that creates a record way outside the range of what normal play would produce, the system's behavior might not even be consistently predictable.
That said, tanking your rating like that screws with the health of the rating system (by adding random wins and losses to people unlucky enough to face you on the way down or the way back up), it makes the game a lot less fun to play for your lower-level opponents, and throwing games to manipulate your rating has been specifically labeled a TOS violation by Blizzard. I can't see why some cheap, unfair wins are worth it.Last edit: 2012-09-14 06:42:19 |
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| EtherealDeath United States. September 14 2012 10:13. Posts 8158 | Profile Blog # |
| Did points after bonus undergo inflation of some sort or are the recent huge point totals in masters just the result of longer seasons? It almost feels like the average GM point is around 900 points after bonus now instead of the previous ~770 |
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| Excalibur_Z United States. September 14 2012 10:38. Posts 10293 | Profile # |
On September 14 2012 10:13 EtherealDeath wrote:
Did points after bonus undergo inflation of some sort or are the recent huge point totals in masters just the result of longer seasons? It almost feels like the average GM point is around 900 points after bonus now instead of the previous ~770
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Last season was slightly longer than 8 weeks so yes, bonus pools for that season will be a little higher which means point inflation. I don't know what you mean by "now" because GM isn't unlocked yet. |
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| EtherealDeath United States. September 14 2012 10:45. Posts 8158 | Profile Blog # |
On September 14 2012 10:38 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 10:13 EtherealDeath wrote:
Did points after bonus undergo inflation of some sort or are the recent huge point totals in masters just the result of longer seasons? It almost feels like the average GM point is around 900 points after bonus now instead of the previous ~770
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Last season was slightly longer than 8 weeks so yes, bonus pools for that season will be a little higher which means point inflation. I don't know what you mean by "now" because GM isn't unlocked yet.
Well I mean the estimated stable rating for someone. I recall a few seasons ago it was posted that the cutoff was about 1400 with bonus, or 770 before bonus, in order to get GM. I seem to recall the next season after that being the same length, but it increasing to about 1500 with bonus, judging from who actually got in. Then we had a tremendous number of people above 2000, that just a result of a longer season? Cause it almost seems like GM would have been nearly 2100 last season, and that's nearly 2 extra months of bonus pool, and the season didn't seem that much longer.
Basically, is an estimated stable rating of 770 before bonus still the expected GM cutoff (ofc it depends on the exact 200, but blizz posted at one point it was about 770 before bonus at the current time).
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| jidolboy Canada. September 14 2012 10:50. Posts 881 | Profile # |
Ok. I'm confused. Should I be expecting Demotion or promotion.
First, I am in diamond, played once every season to prevent mmr reset.
I came back to SC2 during ladder lock and played shit tons, winning approx 70%. I played with other Diamond players and sometimes Master. New season kicks in, now ALL of the matches I face are in platinum and sometimes gold. Weird thing is, they are always favored (meaning I get bonus points for winning,losing less for losing). So far, in this season, I've played around 50 games winning around 40~ish due to my sheer macro alone -.- |
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