| crate United States. March 04 2012 08:25. Posts 1920 | Profile Blog # |
| If you are routinely dying early on you could be playing better. You actually do not need much experience at all pre-lair on most characters to be fine in lair, and then you catch up nicely with the lair xp. |
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 ]343[ United States. March 04 2012 10:34. Posts 8153 | Profile Blog # |
On March 04 2012 08:25 crate wrote:
If you are routinely dying early on you could be playing better. You actually do not need much experience at all pre-lair on most characters to be fine in lair, and then you catch up nicely with the lair xp.
Oh, am I doing it wrong? XD I tend to clear dungeon until I get to lair, then clear lair > orc > vaults (admittedly I've only made it to vaults maybe twice -_-) |
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| crate United States. March 04 2012 12:54. Posts 1920 | Profile Blog # |
| Basically you want to get to lair pretty quickly normally, since it's generally lower difficulty than the main dungeon and has a fair bit of xp. You can skip monsters before that easily if they're dangerous. |
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| myopia United States. March 04 2012 14:59. Posts 2260 | Profile Blog # |
dude 343 I'm trying to message you in game: ditch that spear of freezing/shield of protection for that awesome bardiche of freezing. with 26 skill that thing will plow through most of the game for you.
and it's generally better to manually train a few skills at a time, rather than have the game auto train for you.Last edit: 2012-03-04 15:01:59 |
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| ]343[ United States. March 04 2012 17:03. Posts 8153 | Profile Blog # |
On March 04 2012 14:59 myopia wrote:
dude 343 I'm trying to message you in game: ditch that spear of freezing/shield of protection for that awesome bardiche of freezing. with 26 skill that thing will plow through most of the game for you.
and it's generally better to manually train a few skills at a time, rather than have the game auto train for you.
oh, thanks  (though CAO went down again...)
I didn't see any _ messages so oops. (I really like my shield though D: )
So should I focus polearm -> fighting -> armour -> dodging, or something like that? |
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| crate United States. March 04 2012 17:18. Posts 1920 | Profile Blog # |
Here's the thing with shields (for normal-sized races): if you are already standing next to the enemy you want to kill, then unless you have some super good additive damage of some sort (pain or freezing clouds for example) then you will end up taking less damage before you kill the enemy if you are using a big twohander instead of a onehander plus shield (because the damage difference is very big: note that bardiche is 50% more base damage than a demon trident, for example). So shields are primarily for blocking ranged attacks. But if you are a normal-speed race you can eliminate the vast majority of ranged blockable attacks with better positioning, since centaur (not yaktaur!) arrows are about the only ranged attack used by a faster-than-speed-10 monster that is also blockable.
For small races you probably want a demon weapon plus shield (or lajatang) since you can't use the really big weapons anyway. For nagas I can see an argument that shields are pretty decent because you are slow (worse positioning) plus constriction works like a nice additive damage brand and you also get large shields with less xp. For octopodes you probably want a shield too because you have awful AC. But for most races shields really aren't worth it if you are primarily killing things by attacking with a weapon.
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As far as skills go the big thing is just to figure out what skills actually give you the biggest benefit where you are, then train those skills only. Offensive skills tend to scale better than defensive ones so you want to level them first and pick up defensive skills later when they're cheaper. The only possible exception I can think of is that dodging on spriggans actually scales pretty well since they have huge dex, a big size bonus, and a nice apt for it.
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As far as the tourney goes I think I'm worn out of actually trying to win and streak so I'll be earning a lot fewer points for the rest of it. I have no chance at top 5 with how much I actually play anyway, so I'll enjoy the accomplishments I do have (none of the banners I haven't gotten sound interesting to me) and try to play enough to keep us in the top 5 teams.Last edit: 2012-03-04 17:25:39 |
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| MrBitter United States. March 04 2012 17:51. Posts 2854 | Profile Blog # |
About 8 levels into a MeDK and I've found amulets of rage and faith.
I know they're both great. But which is greater? |
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| crate United States. March 04 2012 18:23. Posts 1920 | Profile Blog # |
On March 04 2012 17:51 MrBitter wrote:
About 8 levels into a MeDK and I've found amulets of rage and faith.
I know they're both great. But which is greater?
With Yred I'd probably wear faith. You get the bonus that taking it off won't cost you any god powers so taking it off isn't a huge deal (it will cost you god gifts but that's acceptable). I probably berserk less often than most people though; if you're going to berserk a lot then wear rage. |
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| MrBitter United States. March 04 2012 19:42. Posts 2854 | Profile Blog # |
| Opted for faith, and it's been paying off in droves. Soooo many more servant gifts. DK + Faith his kinda OP. First win ever perhaps? |
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| dve82 Austria. March 05 2012 04:35. Posts 15 | Profile # |
just wanted to get sure about something:
fighting skill doesnt add dmg/accuracy to ranged physical weapons (bows, xbows, slings, ..) right?
i know, in the dungeon crawl wiki ("only melee damage") and ingame help ("only hand to hand"), it is stated that it doesnt.
but in the dcwiki articles about "WEAPON-damage" and "to hit", ranged weapons are not mentioned at all.
and strangely in the "to hit" article, there are topics about "player to hit (melee)", "monster to hit (melee)" and "monster to hit (ranged)", but nothing about "player to hit (ranged)"
this just left me a little doubtful. i'm trying to understand the mechanics because i'm playing around with archery a bit, you know.. to put myself in the shoes of those centaurs.. or their warriors.., i mean.. who doesnt love em, espacially the super early out of depth ones 
btw, to others, who have questions, i can only recommend the dungeon crawl wiki, its a great page, i've learned everything from scratch there. a knowledge bot is also very helpful while playing.
edit: ok, to not spread bad advice, apparently some of the wiki information is inaccurate/outdated, so doublecheck your stuff with updated bots.Last edit: 2012-03-05 05:42:36 |
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| ]343[ United States. March 05 2012 05:13. Posts 8153 | Profile Blog # |
On March 05 2012 04:35 dve82 wrote:just wanted to get sure about something: fighting skill doesnt add dmg/accuracy to ranged physical weapons (bows, xbows, slings, ..) right? i know, in the dungeon crawl wiki ("only melee damage") and ingame help ("only hand to hand"), it is stated that it doesnt. but in the dcwiki articles about "WEAPON-damage" and "to hit", ranged weapons are not mentioned at all. and strangely in the "to hit" article, there are topics about "player to hit (melee)", "monster to hit (melee)" and "monster to hit (ranged)", but nothing about "player to hit (ranged)" this just left me a little doubtful. i'm trying to understand the mechanics because i'm playing around with archery a bit, you know.. to put myself in the shoes of those centaurs.. or their warriors.., i mean.. who doesnt love em, espacially the super early out of depth ones btw, to others, who have questions, i can only recommend the dungeon crawl wiki, its a great page, i've learned everything from scratch there. a knowledge bot is also very helpful while playing.
Hmm, I think crate or beef ranted against the wiki at the beginning of this thread ("badwiki"), since a lot of stuff is out-of-date. :/
Question: I'm currently wearing a +4 chain mail (+inv rPois rF+) on my MiGl. I don't have another source of poison resist or rF (except for a god gift executioner's axe (flame, +Lev, rPois); unfortunately I use polearms), and have no rC (I have a +0 ice dragon armour though). For sale are:
- +7 plate (+Inv rC+ MR) [costs 3276, about 1k more gold than I have...]
- +5 plate (rC++ Dex-3 Curse) [costs 2038]
- +8 ring (rC+ Str+3 SInv) [costs 1839]
Should I go for any of these? I don't like how my AC is only 26 D:
edit: hmm ok, Oka gifted me a +2 CPA; I assume I should wear it??
another edit: fiends on Vault:8 were scary... barely ran away D:Last edit: 2012-03-05 05:52:39 |
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| Resistentialism Canada. March 05 2012 06:30. Posts 684 | Profile Blog # |
| Shields are better, imo, for characters you want to twink out to have ready for ziggurats, which I'm slightly addicted to. |
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| crate United States. March 05 2012 14:54. Posts 1920 | Profile Blog # |
@dve82: Fighting skill only affects melee combat. Ranged damage and to-hit depends on the relevant weapon skill (and enchantment and slaying like normal).
The wiki is often inaccurate. The learndb is also actually inaccurate fairly often (don't trust numbers from either source if they're not obvious numbers!!!) but not as often. |
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| BeMannerDuPenner Germany. March 06 2012 04:38. Posts 5146 | Profile Blog # |
wanted to try a fighter and went with deep dwarf. am i right that i can only heal through wands/potions? and since i have no special skills i can just attack and hope i dont get too much damage?
i mean i already need like 3-4 wand zaps to bring me to full, do i just hope for the best and that i always have a mp left to recharge or is there anything else?
got a AWESOME weapon very early on ( d5) , a +11 , +11 morningstar with elec ,rElec,sInv and -tele which 1-3 shots evrything ive met so far(d11) so i dont wanna fuck it up that fast this time ~~
/accidently quaffed a potion of mutation ( really the 2nd most common potion with 5 at d11 is a potion of mutation? <.<)
got - vision sharpens - icy blue scales grow -you feel a little pissed off
think i got lucky? first 2 are good effects right? and 3rd is just a chance to go berserk which isnt all that bad and can be negated?
was damn shocked but seems like it wasnt too badLast edit: 2012-03-06 04:51:06 |
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| beef42 Denmark. March 06 2012 04:59. Posts 520 | Profile # |
Berserkitis is still pretty bad even if you never cast spells or use ranged weapons, as you've no control over when it happens so it may faint you while surrounded with monsters.
DDs should pretty much always go for Makhleb or Ely to be able to regain life sunstainably. |
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| BeMannerDuPenner Germany. March 06 2012 05:14. Posts 5146 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 04:59 beef42 wrote:
Berserkitis is still pretty bad even if you never cast spells or use ranged weapons, as you've no control over when it happens so it may faint you while surrounded with monsters.
DDs should pretty much always go for Makhleb or Ely to be able to regain life sunstainably.
meh. well so i should get a amulet of clarity or check my other potions for a cure mut one... for god i went with okawaru since it seemed like the straight up choice. i just dont know enough about all the gods and mechanics yet i guess ~~ |
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| crate United States. March 06 2012 05:43. Posts 1920 | Profile Blog # |
Berserkitis is like 1% chance of happening so it's not really that big a deal as long as you have good positioning. You should still wear clarity if you have berserkitis but you can certainly live without it.
Right now I'm aiming for 9 runes in under 50k turns (for the Oka 3 banner) on a SpEn of Lugonu. I have basically everything I need except for some sustainable means of teleportation though so I should be set (repel missiles would be nice also); I have 3 runes and max Lugonu piety at about 23k turns and I'm about to head for the abyssal rune and to get my dagger blessed. After that it's off to Pan for as many runes as I can grab, then I think I'll just go finish up. |
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| ]343[ United States. March 06 2012 17:12. Posts 8153 | Profile Blog # |
update: died like a total jackass on elf:5... panicked when I got tormented and tele'd into a shitload of dudes (brilliant!)
sorry team 
morgue here
should've just gone Zot I guess, since I switched to Zin to cure my mutations. Myopia tried to help me survive, but I was beyond hope by the time he saw me T_TLast edit: 2012-03-06 17:14:58 |
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| crate United States. March 06 2012 22:07. Posts 1920 | Profile Blog # |
You died with Sanctuary available, that should never happen. But like I said there wasn't a lot of reason for you to go clear Elf:5 anyway, and I was speaking from experience
It's ok, you'll get 3 runes again sometime. |
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| myopia United States. March 07 2012 04:03. Posts 2260 | Profile Blog # |
Lugonu wrath banished me on a pan lord level. There goes my team allrune.
scratch that - escaping the abyss put me back on the rune floor. learndb was wrong. I still got this.Last edit: 2012-03-07 05:25:53 |
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