 oneEfour Australia. March 10 2011 17:36. Posts 43 | Profile # |
Like everyone knows by now that TLO does not really use hotkeys. SO how the hell hoes he move around map soooo fast and micro his units???
I mean most of the time he has no army units on hotkeys yet micros sooo well. How can this possibly be??? |
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| NathanSC United States. March 10 2011 17:39. Posts 620 | Profile Blog # |
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4861388/
Day9 explains that he uses the arrow keys on his keyboard. Not sure if that lends much insight to exactly how he does it, but it is something of note. |
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| sickoota Canada. March 10 2011 17:40. Posts 707 | Profile Blog # |
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| oneEfour Australia. March 10 2011 17:41. Posts 43 | Profile # |
| Lol just watching his stream now. The only units he has on hotkey is 2 banshees lol. |
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| FinestHour United States. March 10 2011 17:42. Posts 6716 | Profile # |
I'd guess that its probably just the way that hes played games in the past and how he's become accustomed to it now. Hotkeys are not 100 percent mandatory for high level play, it just helps a lot.
EDIT: How do german keyboards compare to the ones that we use in the USA? Are there any types of differences?Last edit: 2011-03-10 17:43:35 |
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| fuzzy_panda New Zealand. March 10 2011 17:45. Posts 1137 | Profile Blog # |
On March 10 2011 17:42 FinestHour wrote:
I'd guess that its probably just the way that hes played games in the past and how he's become accustomed to it now. Hotkeys are not 100 percent mandatory for high level play, it just helps a lot.
EDIT: How do german keyboards compare to the ones that we use in the USA? Are there any types of differences?
they have a few extra keys for äüö and such, and the placement of y and z are different (if i recall correctly) |
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| Dommk Australia. March 10 2011 17:46. Posts 4462 | Profile # |
Precision, if you watch his stream his mouse clicks are very precise, always selects what he wants and he always knows where there are
I on the other hand would fail hard without hotkeys, I constantly add probes to hotkeys because of how bad my boxing is and sometimes I have random units that I find 5mins later that probably would have helped quite a bit 3mins before.. |
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| Mythito Canada. March 10 2011 17:46. Posts 230 | Profile # |
| i think he has to use at least a couple hotkeys, maybe shift.. otherwise it'd be impossible to do something like lay down 10 FFs at once, but he could click the icon with mouse then hold down shift then click 10 times, rather than just holding down 'f' and clicking 10 times |
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| TheOnlyOne Germany. March 10 2011 17:50. Posts 155 | Profile # |
On March 10 2011 17:42 FinestHour wrote:EDIT: How do german keyboards compare to the ones that we use in the USA? Are there any types of differences?
QWERTZ is german compared to QWERTY in US.
Not much differences.
*Unless the bug that Grid Layout WarpIn is messed up if you play with a english client and the QWERTZ keyboard layout.
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Beside that Hotkeys help your "left hand" to speed up, if you can compensate with your mouse hand you can works allmost faster if you "macro" your stuff with your keyboard hand and your units with your mouse.
However, ofcourse you could improve even more using hotkeys ; TLO says it himself that he really "wants" to use more Hotkeys and improve his Macro.
His micro is quite good obvisious. |
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| OFCORPSE Sweden. March 10 2011 17:51. Posts 337 | Profile # |
| Imagine if he started to use hotkeys more often, I think he would improve quite a bit actually :O |
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| m3rciless United States. March 10 2011 17:54. Posts 1403 | Profile # |
On March 10 2011 17:46 Mythito wrote:
i think he has to use at least a couple hotkeys, maybe shift.. otherwise it'd be impossible to do something like lay down 10 FFs at once, but he could click the icon with mouse then hold down shift then click 10 times, rather than just holding down 'f' and clicking 10 times
They mean control groups, not hotkeys. Rest assured that TLO does in fact hit f when he wants to forcefield, he doesnt go over and click the icon. |
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| flyersa Germany. March 10 2011 17:54. Posts 141 | Profile # |
who needs hotkeys he got a mice with ten trillion dpi!  |
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| Morfildur Germany. March 10 2011 17:55. Posts 3489 | Profile Blog # |
On March 10 2011 17:45 fuzzy_panda wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 17:42 FinestHour wrote:
I'd guess that its probably just the way that hes played games in the past and how he's become accustomed to it now. Hotkeys are not 100 percent mandatory for high level play, it just helps a lot.
EDIT: How do german keyboards compare to the ones that we use in the USA? Are there any types of differences?
they have a few extra keys for äüö and such, and the placement of y and z are different (if i recall correctly)
Mostly correct. Y and Z are swapped and the characters for shift+(1-0) is are different. Also, IIRC the < key is not on the US keyboard, but instead the shift is wider.
Ok, i'll just make it easy for me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Germany_and_Austria_.28but_not_Switzerland.29
So basically there is no real difference (except for lots of custom maps that use z,x and c for skills and are sometimes horrible to play on EU keyboards).
TLO is just fast, really fast. Don't try to imitate him unless you are as fast as he is (and not just your APM; His APM could be twice as high if he'd use hotkeys. Not using them slows him down, but he's still that fast).
It's just his playstyle, probably because of his supreme commander history, where hotkeys weren't as useful as they are in SC2 (not useless, just not as useful due to the different production style and bigger map overview).
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| Lmui Canada. March 10 2011 17:56. Posts 1899 | Profile # |
| He unbound his arrow keys according to his facebook. He's going to force himself to learn the other ways to navigate around. |
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| FeyFey Germany. March 10 2011 17:57. Posts 4726 | Profile # |
yep sc2 seems to be easier if you don't play with hotkeys at all heh. I think hotkeying in bw was 10 times easier. just drag a box and you had your small troop selected, because of the 12 max. now you can select around 80+ units at once so its much harder to hotkey what you want ^^. Was hoping for an option that allows only the selection of 1 unit group per hotkey, its so much easier that way. (but maybe its already possible X.X should have thought of this before ^^;; have to test that)
Anyway tlos unit splitting is amazing. AoEs are less effectiv vs him, especially in tvt. |
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| eviltomahawk United States. March 10 2011 18:02. Posts 8897 | Profile Blog # |
TLO has been criticized for having poorer mechanics compared to other pros, especially in Korea. However, his strength has always been his strategical genius, not mechanics.
Considering that he came from a Supreme Commander background and doesn't have as much experience with BW as other pros, I'm not surprised to see his style of play deviate so much from the norm.
Also, I heard that SlayerS_BoxeR is also a huge user of the keyboard arrow keys ever since the earliest days of his career. Even when other players abandoned the arrow keys in favor of more efficient mechanics, Boxer still used arrow keys, and to great effect too. Consequently, I wasn't surprised to hear Boxer proclaim himself as a TLO fan during a ladder game against him. They're both so similar in mechanics and genius. |
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| AndAgain United States. March 10 2011 18:10. Posts 2486 | Profile # |
| I don't hotkey my units either. It's something that should be done, but I don't think it's as important as some believe. It speeds up some parts of your game, but slows down others. |
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| Misanthrope United States. March 10 2011 18:10. Posts 885 | Profile Blog # |
| Just saw him hotkey units up to 5 as terran. |
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| GhoSt[shield] Canada. March 10 2011 18:16. Posts 1944 | Profile Blog # |
On March 10 2011 18:10 AndAgain wrote:
I don't hotkey my units either. It's something that should be done, but I don't think it's as important as some believe. It speeds up some parts of your game, but slows down others.
I would really like to know what part of your gate hotkeys do not speed up. Until then this statement feels really incorrect and baseless. |
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| HwangjaeTerran Finland. March 10 2011 18:17. Posts 4967 | Profile Blog # |
He selects them with his mouse everytime he issues a command.
To move fast around the map he probably uses either the F-keys or simply clicks on the minimap.
Using control groups for micro in general would be pretty hard, it's more accurate to select only certain units and move them around to get the best results. |
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