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[G] insane AI strategy guide

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 Blight_Demon   United States. March 18 2011 01:23. Posts 13
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So, you've been able to beat the insane computers, but you get frustrated when a Zerg spawns against you because you're cannon rushing, or you hate playing long games because reapers are pretty slow to reach. Well, this guide is for you!

Below, I will detail my strategies for defeating any insane AI computer in an efficient 1v1 scenario. Note that these also work perfectly well for co-op scenarios with only a slight adjustment sometimes.

I've beaten insane AI over 200 times with these builds, so I know that they work. The ONLY exception is that sometimes a Zerg opponent will do a 6-pool style attack. I've seen that happen maybe 3 times in over 200 games.

General idea
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Think like the AI
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How to win
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Here are the strategies arranged in increasing order of difficulty. You always start by sending all workers to mine, and begin construction on a worker.

Protoss
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Zerg
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Terran
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Replays
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Notes for Co-op
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 PassiveAce   United States. March 18 2011 01:27. Posts 4327
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Really cool write up, but I think this belongs in the single player Forum.
Also, 200 wins against the A.I. is kind of hilarious.
"I'm gonna wring your pants" || Official FireboltGamer (1 of around 9)
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 Blight_Demon   United States. March 18 2011 01:35. Posts 13
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Thanks! I'm a pretty new user here, so would there be a way for me to move the thread to where it should be? Or does a mod need to do that?

Also, yeah, it's a lot of games. But it does count my 100 custom vs insane and my 100+ vs insane in coop, so I don't sit there playing insanes needlessly too too much
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 PassiveAce   United States. March 18 2011 01:41. Posts 4327
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I am also pretty new here but i think that a mod has to either move this, or close it and let you remake it in the correct forum.

But again, im also pretty new so i dont know what standard procedure for this kind of thing is. If I were you i would Edit in a apology to the mods and ask them to close this, and then remake the thread in the single-player forum. Maybe you could PM Chill or another mod and ask them what you should do.
"I'm gonna wring your pants" || Official FireboltGamer (1 of around 9)
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 hassook   United Arab Emirates. March 23 2011 18:34. Posts 16
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Thats a nice guide, please explain number 1 in Zerg build order.
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 Saracen   United States. March 23 2011 18:36. Posts 5127
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Moved to SC2 Single Player.
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 MrArarat   Argentina. March 23 2011 21:49. Posts 132
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Nice guide... will look into it.
Resting on the mountain side...
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 Blight_Demon   United States. March 25 2011 00:37. Posts 13
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On March 23 2011 18:34 hassook wrote:
Thats a nice guide, please explain number 1 in Zerg build order.


I assume you're talking about the drone?

So, you begin by sending all 6 workers to mine, then you start building the seventh. Soon after, your workers will return with their first batch of minerals. Take one of those guys, and send him to the enemy base.

Does that help to clarify?
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 Albrithe   Canada. March 25 2011 02:18. Posts 187
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Does anyone know if this AI abuse can help you beat the outmatched vs 2 insane AI for custom games achievements? I have it on one account but I can't seem to get it on my new account ):
"You don't need a condom... to get up on 'dem..." -Zach Weiner
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 Blight_Demon   United States. March 25 2011 14:42. Posts 13
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On March 25 2011 02:18 Albrithe wrote:
Does anyone know if this AI abuse can help you beat the outmatched vs 2 insane AI for custom games achievements? I have it on one account but I can't seem to get it on my new account ):


I'm pretty sure that for my outmached achievements, I did an cannon rush abuse type thing.

As for applying these strategies:
If you fight insanes on a shared base map, you can aggro them both at the same time, so you'd be preventing both of them from mining; however, I imagine that the combined strength of their workers may be a bit too much for you to handle alone. I'd definitely try doing it as protoss since they're the easiest to do. I'd probably either select Zerg or Terran for the AI race.

No promises that this'll work for outmached achievements, sorry.
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 jazzbassmatt   United States. March 27 2011 02:53. Posts 552
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why would you play over 200 games cheesing an AI computer...totally worthless imo
Last edit: 2011-03-27 02:53:59
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 FiWiFaKi   Canada. March 27 2011 04:06. Posts 2437
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Pretty much identical thing I wrote in the Co-op Partner Finding Thread. Thanks anyhow I guess.
 
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 Blight_Demon   United States. March 27 2011 04:26. Posts 13
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On March 27 2011 02:53 jazzbassmatt wrote:
why would you play over 200 games cheesing an AI computer...totally worthless imo


Achievement hunting.
And to the poster who wrote similarly in another thread, sorry didn't mean to steal your thunder. I had never been able to find a satisfactory guide to killing AI on these boards, but then I was directly searching for them, not checking around other threads.
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 muta_analysis   United States. March 27 2011 08:00. Posts 3
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I'm piling up the achievements and i feel this is very helpful. thanks for laying it out nicely like this
I was hard-countered by my life's all-in builds.
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 Tekie   March 28 2011 02:25. Posts 16
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Computer will give up, when all workers are running around. But therefore only one player is allowed ingame. Thus the other players need to leave for this to work out. That works perfectly in 2vs2-Coop. edit: sry, i see you wrote something similiar in your guide. But it never happened to me, that a win before 5 min didnt count for achievment.

Computer is not necessary sending the worker to the building you set up above the ramp. you can build sth above the ramp in a way, that the worker wont attack your highground building, but run outside of the choke.

Zerg:
when you play Zerg and gassteal -> make use of it, when you attack with your zergling! 6 worker will attack the extractor and you can kill off the rest. Just be carefull, that you DONT move your zergling too near to your extractor. Otherwise the workers attacking it, will attack your zerglings instead.
If you just fight 1vs1 you should use 6 pool instead of 7 pool or other slower rushes. Just in Coop I prefer 7-pool to 6-pool.

Terran:
when you play terran, it is very easy to win against Zerg and Terran Computer with marines only. Bunker is just a very safe way, but you dont need one for this. When your first marine pops out, your 3. depot harras should have pulled the workers to the choke. Now do a constantly fast shoot-stop-cycle with this marine and add the marines you build in the meantime. The workers will try to attack your marine(s), while the marine(s) shoot them, but they will run back, when the marine stop shooting. This way you can kill off nearly all workers with just 1-3 marines, before even entering their base.

There is also a guide for different fast coop wins in this nice Thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=178496

VIDEOS:

cannon rush (3 min):
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2 Gate proxy (4 min, messed up gateway timing a bit):
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6 pool (3-4 min):
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Last edit: 2011-03-28 20:01:59
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 JadisGod   March 29 2011 12:24. Posts 4
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If you're just now starting to go for these achievements remember that the quickest way would be to just play random vs insane every game. Doing it this way will reward you with the AI Romp/Blitz achievements for every difficulty and will put you well on your way to finishing off the race-specific AI Romps for Random/Terran/Zerg/Protoss as well. I've been messing around to try and find the fastest way for each race that still works in the 1.3 patch and it even seems like it's faster to do insane than the lower difficulties due to the AI's auto targeting structures built near their base.

Here's some simple videos I recorded for each race in case you haven't yet figured out exactly how these are done. (Each method takes around 2-3 minutes)

Terran
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Zerg
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Protoss
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Last edit: 2011-03-30 05:27:38
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 Deja Thoris   South Africa. March 29 2011 14:44. Posts 646
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On March 27 2011 02:53 jazzbassmatt wrote:
why would you play over 200 games cheesing an AI computer...totally worthless imo


It's a game, the point of which is to have fun. If he finds it fun its not worthless. Some people make posts just to criticise others playstyles, is that a worthwhile way to spend time?

On topic, I got the outmatched achievements by finding an island map with double expos and massing up in relative safety
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 Tekie   March 31 2011 00:21. Posts 16
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@JadisGod:
I like how you carried it out with zerg and terran ^^. I think i will try out the terran version in Coop. I am used to build 2 rax.
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 ZedraC   South Africa. March 31 2011 22:11. Posts 51
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Oooo, Thanks for this. I tried toss and Zerg strats yesterday and got it right. Tonight I am going to try the terran one. Nice thread Blight_Demon; At least now if and when I have a few minutes to mess arround I can get another insane victory in to the bucket and at least it's a bit more interesting than cannon rushing hundreds of games.

Still, getting this achievement is soooooo tedious.

Wish I was not such a Medal %^&#*.
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 Uberfen   November 07 2011 01:50. Posts 6
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while you place extractor it doesn't attract workers anymore. i dont know if that's a new patch thing or bugged for me.
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