 Servolisk United States. November 19 2004 08:22. Posts 4910 | Profile Blog |
This deserves a thread by itself.
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That is probably around a 6 foot vertical. I've been resisting getting on the Lebron band wagon but I can't help it anymore  With this and him leading the league in points in only his second year. |
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 [GiTM]-Ace United States. November 19 2004 08:43. Posts 4004 | Profile |
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omfg this kid will be something special seriously lol. |
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 Kobayashi Portugal. November 19 2004 08:49. Posts 1970 | Profile |
lol that kid is amazing  btw, carter's jump over tim duncan has impressed more than that, but still,amazing |
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 Oem)LimeGoN United States. November 19 2004 09:47. Posts 24 | Profile |
| his stomech was @ the rim and the ball was over the backboard that was insane |
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 z7-TranCe Canada. November 19 2004 10:17. Posts 3156 | Profile |
| that's awesome,the guy on defense looks a bit confused |
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 Casper... Liberia. November 19 2004 12:37. Posts 4948 | Profile |
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how could you not have known that this guy was the future
did you not see his highschool vids?
he dropped 18/game as a child surrounded by grown men as the first option on a bad team; KG as a rookie got like 8 and kobe got 6 and tmac got like 8 too
i said this way back: lebron will be 2x better than kobe
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 KOFgokuon United States. November 19 2004 13:33. Posts 8011 | Profile Blog |
if only boozer were there instead of drew gooden
lebron's shooting (at least thus far) has also improved massively
so much talent, and he's not a retard like carmelo |
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| wtfwjd United States. November 19 2004 16:01. Posts 226 | Profile | |
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| [GiTM]-Ace United States. November 19 2004 16:09. Posts 4004 | Profile |
| well im not sure if he will be x2 better then kobe cause i aint even gonna hate.Kobe Got Skillz.Although i still think T-Mac is better. but anyways lebron is gonna be really really good.actually i take it all back he looks like he may change the game someday lol |
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| tiffany November 19 2004 17:25. Posts 3408 | Profile |
| actually him and carmelo became the youngest rookies to average over 20 points a game. and lebron is the only rookie since magic to average 20-5-5. |
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 x2fst Australia. November 19 2004 23:49. Posts 927 | Profile |
Lebron is sicker than SARS
yes, that is the worst line ever
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| hhkx Canada. November 19 2004 23:58. Posts 705 | Profile |
On November 19 2004 08:22 Servolisk wrote:This deserves a thread by itself. That is probably around a 6 foot vertical. I've been resisting getting on the Lebron band wagon but I can't help it anymore With this and him leading the league in points in only his second year.
KOBE is in the lead now |
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| Servolisk United States. November 20 2004 06:39. Posts 4910 | Profile Blog |
| Amare has it now |
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| blasian United States. November 20 2004 10:55. Posts 180 | Profile |
On November 19 2004 12:37 Casper... wrote:
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how could you not have known that this guy was the future
did you not see his highschool vids?
he dropped 18/game as a child surrounded by grown men as the first option on a bad team; KG as a rookie got like 8 and kobe got 6 and tmac got like 8 too
i said this way back: lebron will be 2x better than kobe
bigger stronger faster smarter
..... KG started only half the season. Kobe didn't start because Eddie Jones was till good. Tmac didn't start and Vince Carter was the main guy anyway. Lebron was put on a shitty team therefore he was the main player on that team and he starts so obvioulsy he would do better than those 3 players. You don't no what u talking about LOL. |
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 XaI)CyRiC United States. November 20 2004 12:53. Posts 2954 | Profile |
What separates the great players from the good players are their ability to win championships. Lebron is good, but it remains to be seen if he has what it takes to take his team all the way.
Kobe, albeit with Shaq's help, has shown himself to be capable of making the plays and doing what his team needs to win championships. He's still in the lead in my opinion, above TMac and LBJ. |
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| Servolisk United States. November 20 2004 13:15. Posts 4910 | Profile Blog |
| TMac lead his team to the play offs all by himself. Lebron almost did it his rookie year. Kobe will probably miss the play offs. |
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 Pumpkin United States. November 20 2004 13:34. Posts 1141 | Profile |
On November 19 2004 12:37 Casper... wrote:
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how could you not have known that this guy was the future
did you not see his highschool vids?
he dropped 18/game as a child surrounded by grown men as the first option on a bad team; KG as a rookie got like 8 and kobe got 6 and tmac got like 8 too
i said this way back: lebron will be 2x better than kobe
bigger stronger faster smarter
KG was getting 16 first year and 24 second |
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| KOFgokuon United States. November 20 2004 14:48. Posts 8011 | Profile Blog |
On November 20 2004 13:34 Pumpkin wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 19 2004 12:37 Casper... wrote:
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how could you not have known that this guy was the future
did you not see his highschool vids?
he dropped 18/game as a child surrounded by grown men as the first option on a bad team; KG as a rookie got like 8 and kobe got 6 and tmac got like 8 too
i said this way back: lebron will be 2x better than kobe
bigger stronger faster smarter
more like garnet didn't average 24 points until his 9th season his first two garnet averaged 10.2 and 17 points, not 16 and 24` KG was getting 16 first year and 24 second
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| XaI)CyRiC United States. November 20 2004 16:01. Posts 2954 | Profile |
On November 20 2004 13:15 Servolisk wrote:
TMac lead his team to the play offs all by himself. Lebron almost did it his rookie year. Kobe will probably miss the play offs.
Let's not forget the difference between making the playoffs in the West and the playoffs in the East. |
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| Casper... Liberia. November 20 2004 17:28. Posts 4948 | Profile |
oops my bad KG got like 12 his first year and 15 or so the 2nd
15/24 ARE YOU ON DRUGS? |
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 Manifesto7 Osaka. November 20 2004 18:04. Posts 17680 | Profile Blog |
On November 20 2004 16:01 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 20 2004 13:15 Servolisk wrote:
TMac lead his team to the play offs all by himself. Lebron almost did it his rookie year. Kobe will probably miss the play offs.
Let's not forget the difference between making the playoffs in the West and the playoffs in the East.
Or the difference between leading your team to the playoffs, and leading your team to the championship. |
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| tiffany November 21 2004 00:35. Posts 3408 | Profile |
On November 20 2004 18:04 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 20 2004 16:01 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
On November 20 2004 13:15 Servolisk wrote:
TMac lead his team to the play offs all by himself. Lebron almost did it his rookie year. Kobe will probably miss the play offs.
Let's not forget the difference between making the playoffs in the West and the playoffs in the East.
Or the difference between leading your team to the playoffs, and leading your team to the championship.
in the nba, there is a significant separation between championship caliber teams and playoff caliber teams.
for example, san antonio in the west has consistently been not only a playoff contender, but a championship contender for many many seasons. lakers and kings too but this season some have taken them both off the latter list.
in the east it would be indiana and detroit. nets being the ones that have fallen out of serious contention (as of now without kidd at least). |
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| Servolisk United States. November 21 2004 14:54. Posts 4910 | Profile Blog |
On November 20 2004 16:01 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 20 2004 13:15 Servolisk wrote:
TMac lead his team to the play offs all by himself. Lebron almost did it his rookie year. Kobe will probably miss the play offs.
Let's not forget the difference between making the playoffs in the West and the playoffs in the East.
TMac leading his team to the play offs then is more difficult than Kobe doing it now regardless of conference because of the people on his team, I think Kobe has a way better supporting cast. |
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| XaI)CyRiC United States. November 21 2004 23:17. Posts 2954 | Profile |
On November 21 2004 14:54 Servolisk wrote:
TMac leading his team to the play offs then is more difficult than Kobe doing it now regardless of conference because of the people on his team, I think Kobe has a way better supporting cast.
That's entirely up to you, but I'm quite certain you're of the minority opinion in that regard. The Eastern Conference in the past couple of years has been a big mess with almost every team having a playoff shot, and most that made it not winning enough to get the last seed in the West. Look at last season's stats in terms of regular season records for the Western playoff teams and the Eastern, that should settle any doubts.
The fact that the Magic made it to the playoffs says more about how horrible the Eastern conference was than it does about TMac's abilities, although it admittedly was still impressive that he did it practically alone. |
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| tiffany November 22 2004 00:09. Posts 3408 | Profile |
well cyric they did WELL in the playoffs too, they advanced by beating some other eastern conference team i forgot, and managed to go up 3-1 on the pistons before blowing it for some reason. doc rivers got coach of the year as well. so, i'm not sure it's the minority opinion.
although, i agree with your argument that kobe doing it this year is still harder than tmac during his year because not only is the west a much more competitive conference than the east, but the skill gap between all the west teams are minimal, making the playoffs even harder to reach since virtually everybody - even the clippers - has a chance (at this point in the season at least). |
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| KOFgokuon United States. November 22 2004 22:32. Posts 8011 | Profile Blog |
On November 22 2004 00:09 tiffany wrote:
well cyric they did WELL in the playoffs too, they advanced by beating some other eastern conference team i forgot, and managed to go up 3-1 on the pistons before blowing it for some reason. doc rivers got coach of the year as well. so, i'm not sure it's the minority opinion.
although, i agree with your argument that kobe doing it this year is still harder than tmac during his year because not only is the west a much more competitive conference than the east, but the skill gap between all the west teams are minimal, making the playoffs even harder to reach since virtually everybody - even the clippers - has a chance (at this point in the season at least).
the magic never got out of the first round with tmac leading them
they didn't make the playoffs the year doc rivers won coach of the year, which was when they had ron mercer as their leading scorer -_- but they DID go 41-41, which considering their roster was impressive |
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| Kobayashi Portugal. November 22 2004 22:43. Posts 1970 | Profile |
| Actually, I think saying that a player has to prove himself by leading his team to the championship is...hmmm,strange? Imho a players individual achivements should never be confused with what his team as a whole achieves. If you think like that then a guy like Billups should appear a lot higher than he probably diserves. (and saying kobe "lead the lakers" somewhere is a really big overstatement). Btw, i'll never think very highly of a player like kobe...he's a great athlete but not a great basketball player, at least not until he realizes the game is not Kobe vs <insert-team-here> |
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| tree United States. November 23 2004 02:30. Posts 591 | Profile |
| Kobe is overrated and we will see that this year. Without Shaq drawing all the double and triple teams in the post his stats will look more like Allen Iversons. High points, low percentage. Which is how most of the "Stars" of these teams play. AI, Mello, Ect. Lebron is beter then all of them because of his ability to make his whole team better. No rookie since MJ has had an impact on his team like him. He is a step closer to being the next AIR. First grant hill, then kobe, then lebron. They keep getting closer however NO ONE is able to put up points like him AND be one of the best defensive players in the game. |
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 yOOysi Poland. November 23 2004 02:37. Posts 726 | Profile |
On November 19 2004 08:43 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
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omfg this kid will be something special seriously lol.
kekekekeke Yes Yes |
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 Jim Sweden. November 23 2004 05:33. Posts 1965 | Profile |
| They all suck compared to shaq. That is a guy that makes a difference. |
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| KOFgokuon United States. November 23 2004 05:49. Posts 8011 | Profile Blog |
On November 23 2004 02:30 tree wrote:
Kobe is overrated and we will see that this year. Without Shaq drawing all the double and triple teams in the post his stats will look more like Allen Iversons. High points, low percentage. Which is how most of the "Stars" of these teams play. AI, Mello, Ect. Lebron is beter then all of them because of his ability to make his whole team better. No rookie since MJ has had an impact on his team like him. He is a step closer to being the next AIR. First grant hill, then kobe, then lebron. They keep getting closer however NO ONE is able to put up points like him AND be one of the best defensive players in the game.
this isn't a question of whether or not these players can match up to MJ. In all likelihood no one will ever match up to his greatness (unless they win 9 championships in a row -_-) which is unlikely in today's nba. |
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| rei United States. November 23 2004 11:01. Posts 1210 | Profile Blog |
| Fuck Tmac, yao is the man of the team. If they go to the playoffs or even the finals it would be because of yao owning not Tmac's effort. just look at Tmac at magics, the team sucked but he is scores the most in the league. and seriously yao is the only guy has the size and strength to go up against shaq, but his stamina still need more work |
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| Kobayashi Portugal. November 23 2004 11:28. Posts 1970 | Profile |
On November 23 2004 11:01 rei wrote:
Fuck Tmac, yao is the man of the team. If they go to the playoffs or even the finals it would be because of yao owning not Tmac's effort. just look at Tmac at magics, the team sucked but he is scores the most in the league. and seriously yao is the only guy has the size and strength to go up against shaq, but his stamina still need more work
I love watching Tmac, he's entertaining, but yeah, the man of the team is Yao (btw, wow, the technique this guy has being that big :o his footwork is impressive).
And about comparing KG and Lebron (a lot of people did that in this thread) I don't care how high Lebron jumps and how well he shoots, KG is just impressive, he's probably the best in the world right now, being able to read the game like he does (and doing perfectly whatever u decide to do)... u can't get to that level on your second year in the nba, not even if you're MJ |
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| CirCa Canada. November 23 2004 12:29. Posts 158 | Profile |
On November 19 2004 08:22 Servolisk wrote:This deserves a thread by itself. That is probably around a 6 foot vertical. I've been resisting getting on the Lebron band wagon but I can't help it anymore With this and him leading the league in points in only his second year.
The angle makes it look a lot higher than it actually is |
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| rei United States. November 23 2004 12:45. Posts 1210 | Profile Blog |
how could you guys question jordan's surpemacy?
just look at it this way, last year's final, kobe was being gaurded by this guy wearing a mask(forgot his name) it's basically the method he used was ball deniel, won't even let kobe catch the ball. and that disrupted kobe big time. But lakers still have shaq!! why don't they give him the ball every time since they shut down kobe? It's because they have imcompledent point gaurd that can't make a simple pass down low to shaq, and a kobe that's trying to be like mike and take it all by himself which he failed horriblly.
In all jordan's years in the bulls he is really the only one that they depend on scoring. how many nights have you seen jordan shooting cold as ice for a long period of time like 0 for 7, but he still figure out a way to win. and score over 30 points at the end of the game. kobe can't do that. he tried but can't. he attemps to shoot the ball till he gets hot like iverson, but the problem is that kobe is not the only one that can score in the team like iverson and jordan. the lakers have shaq. so when people critisize kobe for shooting too much what did kobe do? he stop shooting completely on the next game and made the lakers lose just to prove a point. He wants to be like mike so bad that he doesn't care about the team, about shaq, he pissed off everybody, poor marlon was despare for a ring, and all they had to do is give shaq the fucking ball every single fucking time and let shaq beat the living hell out of those pistons, but NOooOOOoo kobe has to be the hero. FUCK KOBE.
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| SweeTLemonS[TPR] United States. November 29 2004 15:19. Posts 9037 | Profile Blog |
It's not 6' vertical. It's closer to like... 45-50 inches. He is about four feet away from the rim, which makes it look higher, in comparison. Jordan jumped about that high in his early years; in his end years he was a little above his wrist.
About the Bulls' championships. They didn't win only because of Jordan; they won because they learned to play with a team, which happened to have the best player ever there. They were a really good team even when he left, they just didn't have the leadership that he provided (that is in 94-95, or whatever years he took off). When they actually won the championships was when Jordan learned to be more of a team player, and stop trying to do everything himself. He started to pass the ball, and didn't try to make everything happen on his own. That's why they won the championships, and that's part of why he was so great. Not only was he a great defender, and shooter, he was a leader, too, and he also had enough intelligence to realize he couldn't do it all on his own, and to pass the ball when it was needed.Last edit: 2004-11-29 15:25:38 |
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| Hydrolisko Vanuatu. November 29 2004 15:43. Posts 1341 | Profile |
| i saw the game, that dunk looked pretty insane.. but the tip of the ball actually only slightly above the square behind the hoop, that angel made it look like he can reach the top of the backboard.. sick dunk nonetheless |
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| bburn United States. November 29 2004 16:08. Posts 1030 | Profile |
On November 23 2004 12:29 CirCa wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 19 2004 08:22 Servolisk wrote:This deserves a thread by itself. That is probably around a 6 foot vertical. I've been resisting getting on the Lebron band wagon but I can't help it anymore With this and him leading the league in points in only his second year.
The angle makes it look a lot higher than it actually is
Correct but that was still a very impressive dunk. |
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| rednob Korea (South). November 30 2004 05:42. Posts 210 | Profile |
| I know this will be offensive but does anyone wonder if he used steroids at some point? He is so strong for a basketball player at 18. |
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| Relifed Dominican Republic. November 30 2004 05:59. Posts 47 | Profile |
On November 30 2004 05:42 rednob wrote:
I know this will be offensive but does anyone wonder if he used steroids at some point? He is so strong for a basketball player at 18.
Some people just develop physically faster. And he's 18? thouyght he was a bit older. |
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| [GiTM]-Ace United States. November 30 2004 06:21. Posts 4004 | Profile |
i think hes 19 now not sure  |
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| Clutch3 United States. November 30 2004 06:47. Posts 1344 | Profile |
| I don't think there can be another Jordan. I think whoever manages to be that good where their team wins every year won't be the "next Jordan", they will be the "first Lebron" or the "first Wade" or whoever. Jordan came along at a perfect time for basketball, and no matter how similar a player is these days, no one will be quite the same, because the game has changed. With zone defenses and other rule changes, it'd be interesting to see what happened if Jordan's 20-year-old clone came into the league now. Odds are, he wouldn't be able to do what the real MJ did in the 80's. |
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| KOFgokuon United States. November 30 2004 06:50. Posts 8011 | Profile Blog |
| if anything i think he might do better. the zone defenses in the nba right now are terrible, and with all the touchy fouls that officials are calling, with the way jordan attacked the hoop back in his younger days he'd be golden |
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| HorsementalitY United States. November 30 2004 06:55. Posts 1158 | Profile |
i hated penny hardaway when ppl said he was the next jordan when he came to the league
i hated grant hill when ppl said he was the next jordan when he came to the league
i hated kobe bryant when people said he was the next jordan when he came to the league
please don't let me hate Lebron James
No one can be Jordan or come even close to it. U can't just compare pts/game, assists, steals or whateva and say well james is getting better nnumbers in his 2nd yr than jordan did his second year and what not. There are soo many factors as to why jordan was a once in a lifetime basketball god. there will never be none like him or even close to him....i still get goosebumps when i watch the jordan dvd's...every single time i watch it. Ever since jordan left i avent been able to watch a full NBA game on tv. during his time, the bulls were the only team i'd sit in front of the tv and watch a full game, commercials and all. and i wasn't even a bulls fan. the guy was something else, i even used to tape bulls playoff games. Nowadays i try to watch an nba game on tv and i get bored, i change the channel and come back to it in like the 4th quater or something if i remember. and todays players are flashier than then, and i like seeing dunks and crossovers and whatnots but its just not the same without micheal... |
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 iloveoo November 30 2004 07:40. Posts 634 | Profile |
| after watching him LIVE for 2 games in the Olympic Games in Athens this summer i can safely say he is no way near Kobe, and will never ever be the next Jordan |
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| iloveoo November 30 2004 07:41. Posts 634 | Profile |
and karmelo anthony (who ppl in the us rate so highly) is a complete joke
only 'pro' in that team was Duncan..... but he was still a long way from his usual self |
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| Relifed Dominican Republic. November 30 2004 07:45. Posts 47 | Profile |
| Wow people are so nitpicky, imo Leron James and Anthony are both good players.. it's still along way to go for them so lets not put limits on what they can do, you might be quite surprised ;o |
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| white_box921 United Kingdom. November 30 2004 09:45. Posts 830 | Profile |
| ok....I am not saying that Leborn James is not a good player, but one's greatness should not only depend on how high he can jump. |
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| zero89 United States. November 30 2004 10:34. Posts 295 | Profile |
wont be the next micheal jordan still
micheal jordan is unique
best player of nba in history |
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| SweeTLemonS[TPR] United States. November 30 2004 10:54. Posts 9037 | Profile Blog |
On November 30 2004 06:55 HorsementalitY wrote:
i hated penny hardaway when ppl said he was the next jordan when he came to the league
i hated grant hill when ppl said he was the next jordan when he came to the league
i hated kobe bryant when people said he was the next jordan when he came to the league
please don't let me hate Lebron James
No one can be Jordan or come even close to it. U can't just compare pts/game, assists, steals or whateva and say well james is getting better nnumbers in his 2nd yr than jordan did his second year and what not. There are soo many factors as to why jordan was a once in a lifetime basketball god. there will never be none like him or even close to him....i still get goosebumps when i watch the jordan dvd's...every single time i watch it. Ever since jordan left i avent been able to watch a full NBA game on tv. during his time, the bulls were the only team i'd sit in front of the tv and watch a full game, commercials and all. and i wasn't even a bulls fan. the guy was something else, i even used to tape bulls playoff games. Nowadays i try to watch an nba game on tv and i get bored, i change the channel and come back to it in like the 4th quater or something if i remember. and todays players are flashier than then, and i like seeing dunks and crossovers and whatnots but its just not the same without micheal...
For once I agree with you. Except the not hating James, part. But Jordan was so awesome, it's impossible for anyone to be as good as he was. I said I'd never watch a full basketball game for the rest of my life, after Jordan left the Bulls, and I haven't. I only wish I could have seen him play live, considering I don't live THAT far from where he played with the Bulls. |
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| tiffany November 30 2004 11:56. Posts 3408 | Profile |
On November 23 2004 12:45 rei wrote:
how could you guys question jordan's surpemacy?
just look at it this way, last year's final, kobe was being gaurded by this guy wearing a mask(forgot his name) it's basically the method he used was ball deniel, won't even let kobe catch the ball. and that disrupted kobe big time. But lakers still have shaq!! why don't they give him the ball every time since they shut down kobe? It's because they have imcompledent point gaurd that can't make a simple pass down low to shaq, and a kobe that's trying to be like mike and take it all by himself which he failed horriblly.
sorry to be nitpicky, but rip hamilton did not guard kobe, tayshaun prince did. |
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 CTStalker Canada. November 30 2004 13:27. Posts 5933 | Profile Blog |
haha james is in his second year in the nba. just wait a little bit.
take a look at jordan's first couple of seasons. the bulls weren't so hot back then.
but a couple of years later... |
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| Servolisk United States. November 30 2004 13:57. Posts 4910 | Profile Blog |
I don't think Jordan was the best player ever, but the best marketed. One of the best to be sure.
I don't believe in calling someone the next Jordan, but I think Kobe is very similar.
He gets special allowances for traveling and contact, like Jordan.
He gets bogus calls on him to bail him out.
Kobe now owns the Lakers like Jordan did the Bulls, and has the freedom to do whatever he wants. The whole team will work to set him up and run everything through him. He will take millions of shots a night and end up with good numbers. To Kobe's credit, he is making a serious effort to improve his teammates and is letting them have the ball to improve. Kobe probably won't average 30 pts a game like Mike, but he won't hog the ball as much.
Lebron is similar for the same reasons, but he is still just in his 2nd year so who knows if he is going to be the next MJ. He might be the next Glenn Robinson, who had a better rookie season than Lebron and MJ. |
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| ChoboCop United States. November 30 2004 15:35. Posts 795 | Profile |
| Blasian beat me to it, Lebron is hot, but not the best rookie ever. |
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| TH-GP Australia. December 01 2004 02:49. Posts 226 | Profile |
On November 20 2004 13:15 Servolisk wrote:
TMac lead his team to the play offs all by himself. Lebron almost did it his rookie year. Kobe will probably miss the play offs.
8th in west is like 3rd in east -.- so if lakers was in east playoffs would be auto. If you actually seen both tmac and kobe play, doesnt take 200IQ to know kobe is way better in all areas, Lebron is different, he could be 30-10-10 next season, who knows |
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| XaI)CyRiC United States. December 01 2004 03:25. Posts 2954 | Profile |
Jordan didn't win championships alone, Kobe didn't win championships alone. However what makes them both great and often compared to each other is the fact that they were able to do what few players in the NBA can do, do what it takes for their team to win a championship. Sure Shaq did a lot of the work for the Lakers, but he will never be able to win a championship without a closer like Kobe as he becomes a liability in the end of games moreso than a boon. We could also argue that Jordan would never have been able to win his championships without his strong supporting cast, no single player can ever beat a team by themselves.
Both players realized at some point that they couldn't do it by themselves, and were able to win championships when they realized that. Both players had their teams get themselves in a position to win and then were able to make the big plays in the 4th quarter to put the nail in the coffin (or close the refrigerator for the Chick fans out there ). I actually find the both of them to be very comparable, Jordan IMO is not a whole other level above Kobe.
Although, if we really want to argue about people who win championships, Phil Jackson wins that award hands down. He found a way for both Jordan and Kobe to use their talent to win championships, both players were lacking that special championship-winning quality before Phil was put in the equation.
P.S. Oh yeah and Lebron will always be a level below both Jordan and Kobe until the day gets a ring. |
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| rednob Korea (South). December 01 2004 05:20. Posts 210 | Profile |
On November 30 2004 05:59 Relifed wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 30 2004 05:42 rednob wrote:
I know this will be offensive but does anyone wonder if he used steroids at some point? He is so strong for a basketball player at 18.
Some people just develop physically faster. And he's 18? thouyght he was a bit older.
I think the point was that he was a muscley NBA manbeast while still playing highschool, even compared to college basketball players.
Sure some people just develop physically faster. But also, some people just use steroid. |
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| iloveoo December 01 2004 06:31. Posts 634 | Profile |
Cyric, the thing is, Jordan's teammates really weren't so hot...........at all
only Rodman was actually somewhat successful at a team other than Bulls.....
scottie pipen was easily one of the most overrated players .... maybe of all times?
i remember how people would go on and on about how pipen "completed MJ", but the truth is even I could complete MJ (him putting 98% and me the other 2% that is )
he failed at Huston, he failed at Portland, he failed at Chicago when he returned.... and we are supposed to be talking about a Hall-Of-Fame player
i guess someone could also add Toni Kukoc (sure we love him in Europe so a little bias here, but still ), as he also had a somewhat 'constant' carrer with or without MJ
NOONE ELSE !
MJ DID win championships alone =]
but i doubt he could have done the unrepeatable 72-10 record without pippen or rodman |
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| Relifed Dominican Republic. December 01 2004 06:52. Posts 47 | Profile |
On December 01 2004 05:20 rednob wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 30 2004 05:59 Relifed wrote:
On November 30 2004 05:42 rednob wrote:
I know this will be offensive but does anyone wonder if he used steroids at some point? He is so strong for a basketball player at 18.
Some people just develop physically faster. And he's 18? thouyght he was a bit older.
I think the point was that he was a muscley NBA manbeast while still playing highschool, even compared to college basketball players. Sure some people just develop physically faster. But also, some people just use steroid.
True, but don't these guy get blood tested before they enter NBA, or spotted as potential young players in high school? afaik most steroids stay in the blood stream for some time. |
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| tiffany December 01 2004 07:28. Posts 3408 | Profile |
On December 01 2004 06:52 Relifed wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 01 2004 05:20 rednob wrote:
On November 30 2004 05:59 Relifed wrote:
On November 30 2004 05:42 rednob wrote:
I know this will be offensive but does anyone wonder if he used steroids at some point? He is so strong for a basketball player at 18.
Some people just develop physically faster. And he's 18? thouyght he was a bit older.
I think the point was that he was a muscley NBA manbeast while still playing highschool, even compared to college basketball players. Sure some people just develop physically faster. But also, some people just use steroid.
True, but don't these guy get blood tested before they enter NBA, or spotted as potential young players in high school? afaik most steroids stay in the blood stream for some time.
i don't think it's very healthy to use so much steroids at such a young age. give lebron and his family some credit for his 'manliness' and give the nba some credit for cracking down on drug use such that you never hear about steroids being problems for players. |
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| tiffany December 01 2004 07:30. Posts 3408 | Profile |
i totally agree with cyric, that has to be the most unbiased post i've read - none of that kobe bashing just because you want to jump on the bandwagon; and none of the jordan praising just because you've heard about him.
although i have to say that kobe is not the finisher jordan is; MJ's number of game-winning shots video clips rolls for minutes and minutes. |
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| rednob Korea (South). December 01 2004 08:20. Posts 210 | Profile |
| I think plenty of highschool players can use steroids during the offseason and clean up and pass tests, correct? In moderation it is probably just fine anyways. Go LeBron! |
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| XaI)CyRiC United States. December 03 2004 12:52. Posts 2954 | Profile |
On December 01 2004 06:31 iloveoo wrote:Cyric, the thing is, Jordan's teammates really weren't so hot...........at all only Rodman was actually somewhat successful at a team other than Bulls..... scottie pipen was easily one of the most overrated players .... maybe of all times? i remember how people would go on and on about how pipen "completed MJ", but the truth is even I could complete MJ (him putting 98% and me the other 2% that is ) he failed at Huston, he failed at Portland, he failed at Chicago when he returned.... and we are supposed to be talking about a Hall-Of-Fame player i guess someone could also add Toni Kukoc (sure we love him in Europe so a little bias here, but still ), as he also had a somewhat 'constant' carrer with or without MJ NOONE ELSE ! MJ DID win championships alone =] but i doubt he could have done the unrepeatable 72-10 record without pippen or rodman
Pippen was a good player, and he did everything Jordan needed. Believe me, I'm not a Scottie fan (far from it), but I do recognize that his defense and all around game was very impressive and played a large part in the Bulls' championship runs.
The team was also always able to find some good role players like Rodman, Kerr, Kukoc, etc. who didn't demand the ball or get envious of Jordan (he didn't have the problems that Shaq and Kobe did as a result). Jordan was the undisputed star of his team, the rest of his teammates were fine with it and just did what their coach asked them to so they could win. Again, no stellar players (besides Pippen) but people who did what they were asked to quite well w/o complaint.
And once again, I think we all need to realize the great coach that Phil Jackson is. As good as Jordan and Kobe are, they didn't win championships until Phil entered the picture. Too much of a coincidence to ignore eh? |
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| Casper... Liberia. December 03 2004 13:11. Posts 4948 | Profile |
people tend to ignore that PJ is a great endgame tactical coach and overstate his ability to bring a team together (although getting Pippen to co-exist with Rodman was really amazing)
PJ's teams find a way to get the looks and stops they need at the end of games, more so than any other coach in recent memory (with the possible exception of Pat Riley)
the difference is having a finisher like MJ or KB |
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| Casper... Liberia. December 03 2004 13:23. Posts 4948 | Profile |
think of all the also-rans over the years:
lakers (ok they were too old)
phoenix with barkley and johnson - road play and endgame execution
portland (ok they had no chance)
seattle - karl actually had them running brilliant shit in the endgame; road play was breakeven; pippen (the real finals MVP) was so fucking good that series, he pushed the ball nonstop and got them billions of points off semi-breaks and locked the hell out of schrempf or hawkins; jordan's wonky knee had him barely playing breakeven with payton and kemp went nuts but pippen was too good
utah with malone and stockton - road play was breakeven, again came down to endgame execution
before PJ came along they'd just draw something up and allow Jordan to improvise, which was fine, but when he was forced to dish off it would be to a generally unprepared target
with PJ Jordan was able to visualize and anticipate defensive responses MUCH better giving him cleaner DEFINED options to PREPARED TARGETS in the endgame
PJ also thinks at an extremely high level compared to other coaches. i'm talking about shit like showing them mediocre endgame plays during the regular season and possibly tossing those games as a result just to see how they defend it then coming up with godly shit built on those solicited defensive schemes |
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 Na[12]Sil United States. December 03 2004 18:32. Posts 184 | Profile |
| i honestly dont really know anything about lebron or know how good he is b/c i rarely get to see his team play (no cable tv t.t) but just from my opinion i really think he will be a superstar, but not michael jordan. michael jordan came at the perfect time, when weird things weren't done that he did (make any sense? lol) but lebron coming after jordan, people can be like..eh seen it but thats just my opinion |
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