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On March 29 2011 19:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Yay this game will be fun!!!111 <3 <3 + Show Spoiler +To be honest I'm just posting so I can have all the latest replies in the mafia forum so I can screen shot it. I actually screen shotted it before I saw this post, bloody spammer
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Argh wth
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Day 1 lynch=jackal if he goes bowling on tuesday!
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You seem pretty pro town this game drh
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This game will not start until all 40 slots are filled. This game will not start until after Insane Mafia is completed, so if you are playing in Insane, you are welcome to join!
But I guess it could start sooner if it fills and insane slows down? /shrug
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~waves~
oh and I will try to get you lynched if you continue scumhunting by role PM tknted :p
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It'd be interested in your thought whether game started or not :/
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I like Kavdragon's post about the mayor being a leader more than an analyst. It's something him and I talked about after the town victory in mafia xxxvi; no matter how good you are at listing scum names, it is pointless if you can't convince others that you are right. Him breaking it out now is ballsy, since it sounds "wrong" in the ears of many people. If he was scum, I think he would be too worried about the negative reaction to bring the argument forward.
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I'm fine with having Protactinum as pardoner, if he will use his KP on targets decided by town a few days in, when we got a better read on who's red. For this to happen we lose the pardoner, which is a pretty useless role for town anyways, and gain vigi, a good trade in my opinion.
Just remember Protactinum has a different win condition, so he won't win the game for us. Since he will only help us to the degree it serves his purpose, he will blow his KP on the assassins if they are silly enough to out themselves before we find mafia. But that is a small risk I'm willing to take.
Since he obviously can't be our mayor, we should keep focus on our candidates:
Chaoser, are you still running? I felt kinda off when you put a FoS on one of the only active new people.
Kavdragon, I feel you need to put more effort into your campaign, you posted a lot during night 0, but seem to have gone more quiet around your own candidacy.
GMarshal, you honestly want to lynch the most inactive player? That person is never going to be mafia.
DrH, it seems like several people are suspicious of your alignment?
From all the candidates, I'm interested in hearing how you think our pardoner should be used, the way you will be using your mayor role, and your current mafia reads.
To town: it's us who decides who we want as mayor, so don't be shy to ask questions to the candidates, or write your opinions of them. Remember it's the silent ones that gets killed first!
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Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have.
I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is.
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Who are the siblings? I checked the OP to see if there was a sibling role I missed He is just referring to Aidnai and Kavdragon, who are brothers.
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So chaoser, are you still running?
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Is anyone really suprised that Pandain fake claims DT? He will do that regardless of alignment...
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In loving memory: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/Vroomfondel/nemy.jpg On April 11 2011 06:29 Robellicose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 06:09 Mig wrote: A couple things since Dr.H is still saying I am mafia. It's incorrect to say all I I am trying to do is repeat pro town comments.
I believe there are only 2 posts where this could be argued. The first one I made on p27 I basically said exactly what Dr.H did but I posted it at almost the exact same time as him because I was typing it up at the same time.
The 2nd post that could look suspicious was on the top of p28. In that post I made 2 points that hadn't been mentioned previously. That A) if we were worried about prot not doing what we tell him if he becomes mayor we can control him with the medics. If we just give him medic protection then hes basically held hostage by us since if he doesn't do exactly what we want we can just not protect him and we don't lose anything. B) that its still a risk to use medics on him since we don't know the actual role numbers and the assassins may outnumber our medics to where we can't possibly protect him.
Someone said I was wishy washy for listing both points but I was trying to discuss what our optimal play was so I listed the pros and cons as I saw them, I still gave my opinion that it was too risky to use our medics on him.
I want to add I think it is suspicious how Dr.H is playing. It's in the best interest for the town for the new players to post as much as possible. They are the ones most likely to give up information and they will be most easily read by the vets so the more they post the better. With how Dr.H is playing it really discourages new people from posting out of fear that they may just be labeled as bandwagoning onto other pro town comments.
Dr.H can say hes just putting pressure on people to force mistakes but I think attacking the new players would be a very viable strategy for an aggressive mafia. After they attack a new player its likely the new player will either attack them back blindly or will start to post less. Either of which would make the new player appear suspicious.
now im 100% sure Going to agree with you here. This just makes mig sooo much more suspicious. Also withdrawing my suspicion from you DocH. Your posts that made me worry have been outweighed by the solid ones since. Also Pandain, if you're going to fake roleclaim, on Day 1 no less, then we can't trust anything you're going to do for the rest of the game really. can we lynch him soon please? I find it interesting you want to lynch someone you don't think is scum.
I have a much clearer town read on GMarshal than on DrH, and I find lynching kavdragon day 1 silly.
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why is it silly
what about mib
why do you think gmarshal is town? 1. Because Kav is an active player we will get a better read off later, and who I would hate to mislynch with an "Oooops" day 1.
2. Happy you are pressuring him
3. He is posting actively and openly, in the way I have come to know as his town play. My main concern with GM is whether he can lead the town, right now I'm content with him if we want a town aligned player for mayor.
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Woops and ninjaed by a huge post by kav. Ah well, gn ya'll
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I find DrH's playstyle to be unlike the pro-town playstyle he has displayed in recent games He is very offensive and quick to call people scum. Look at his platform when he ran in mafia 36:
On January 24 2011 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also I'll run for mayor.
Reasons you should vote for me:
1. I am a big mafia target and bodyguard protection will help me survive into the later stages of the game. 2. I do fairly well at organizing town discussion and making sure we don't get sidetracked. 3. I'm not the best scumhunter, but I'm getting better. I am pretty good at determining who is trustworthy so I think I'll make good decisions as far as bodyguards. 4. I'm great at clue analysis. He posts good reasons, acknowledges his flaws, and come off as more laid back than in this game.
This is his pro-town post that lead to the infamous mass claim to DrH in Salem: + Show Spoiler +On December 27 2010 18:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Meh I'll just start now, I have some time. We need to very carefully consider the framer role. It is often advised to detectives, by mafia, that a big town target should be checked to get "information". DT's should check the targets they think are most likely scum based on post behavior and that's pretty much all there is to it until later in the game when a lot of information actually can be gleaned from an alignment check. Framer Strategy: mafia railroads/advises DT to check a big town target with a lot of attention (for an example of this level of attention look at me in insane mafia) and then simply frame them. Pandain was effectively framed on day 1 of haunted and a DT checked him, because Pandain was an active poster but there was nothing scummy about any of his posts. It was a bad check. So beware of attempts to railroad you into checking certain targets especially if it happens in PM. I imagine myself, Pandain, LSB, and RoL will all be strong frame targets that is if they aren't going to be hit since they are likely to be checked. I'm not saying don't check veteran players, I'm saying check people you think are scum. Also DT's shouldn't claim if they find a red and definitely not in PM either. Build a case on that person. Read through their posts and seriously consider them. Read them as though they are mafia, what are they doing to hurt/mislead the town and does it make sense? They might be a miller (there are probably 2, that is the normal count) and they might also have been framed. When you checked someone and now they are mafia or are nearly certain you build a good case to get them lynched, you don't claim straight away because it's still possible the mafia won't hit you and if they do it become immediately apparent why you pushed so strong for a specific lynch which means the mafia have to do a lot of damage control especially if they tried to spread distrust/attack that DT. Show nested quote +On December 27 2010 18:25 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 27 2010 17:57 ilovejonn wrote:On December 27 2010 17:46 Ryuu314 wrote: Probably. I don't see how else the game could run otherwise.
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. Anybody can see if you edited a post, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned. I do have close connections to people who can check pre-edited material if you are truculent. Please do not edit; this is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything. Make sure you read all the rules. =) Oops x[ I remembered after I edited hahaha. I \was basically gonna say that Coag probably couldn't be mafia as the timing of his ban would probably prevent him from making hits? But then I looked up the time of his ban and it disproves my theory. The timing of his ban should have nothing to do with what role he may or may not be. Or rather what role I may or may not be. I'm gonna say this about vig's: don't shoot until night 3 or night 4. As the game progresses it gets easier and easier to find mafia and that's when efficient town KP use becomes super important. Don't blow your hit early, you'll more than likely miss. Your goal is to not get killed. As far as this Pandain bandwagon Idon't see why that is. This isn't a mafia thing it's just stupid but he did roleclaim village idiot to me in PM before the game started, not sure what that means. Probably nothing because he's just bad. If he's scum I'll catch him pretty quickly so I'm not worried about him at all. LunarDestiny's posts so far come off as the most scummy but that's just barely, no good target has presented itself yet to me for the lynch so I'll vote for myself. My work schedule is unpredictable and I don't want to get modkilled for it. He posts good advice and lists his opinion, but he doesn't go all out and call people scum on day 1.
Probably the thing that unnerves me the most is he is now posting very offensively and often. Last he ran for mayor he was holding back a lot more: + Show Spoiler +On January 24 2011 13:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 13:28 Kavdragon wrote: Dr.H, your platform toted that you were really good at clue analysis, but you've failed to work on either of the two clues we've been given. Why is that?
Sorry, I don't mean to come off chainsawy with these last few posts, but there have been a few things bugging me, and I think that I can talk about them now. Because I've been playing Little Big Planet 2 and cleaning my room. I prefer to think about things thoroughly before I post about them. There is no point posting every half baked idea I might have about the clues and it'll just be cluttering. I have been working on and thinking about the clues, just because I haven't been posting about them doesn't mean I'm not thinking about it. I'll post my thoughts on it when I feel I have something to say that has yet to be said and that may actually lead somewhere. I just don't have any strong feelings about the clues. If I had to point a finger somewhere it'd be at OriginalName or Nemesis I guess. It's weak though.
DrH is good at playing offensive and town like when he is mafia. From Micro Mafia IV where he owned town hardcore:+ Show Spoiler +On October 23 2010 06:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 05:03 Pandain wrote:On October 23 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 04:45 Pandain wrote:Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill: Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue.Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: On October 21 2010 09:56 lol1221 wrote: [Vote]##Pandain
interesting... On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him.This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion. I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1 Lol1221 was almost certainly a smurf. Again, every single one of his posts have been in the mafia forums. Who joins a sc2 website to play mafia? And imo he was just playing new, as do all of smurfs. You have to look not only at his words(which are quite suscipcious in themselves because he CONSTANTLY points out the "fact" that he's new.) but at his actions as well(only has posted in mafia forum.) Also, you should be happy to note that I do not think you are "most likely" mafia. I do find some of your actions suscipcious, such as voting jodo for being a bad player, then despite your constant pointing out coag is playing "poorly" don't vote him, and even thinks he's townie. I'm sure you have a good reason(intuition for example,) but care to explain? As of right now I'll be analyzing people. -_- 1. day 1 vote doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter 2. coag is bad but that doesn't mean he's mafia. i already explained it but since you are incapable of reading and understanding my posts I'll say it again. mafia don't post like coag does. it's not WIFOM, it's pretty simple. if coagulation had a scumbuddy (which would most likely be an experienced player) his scumbuddy would be instructing him not to post like he is. if he is scum, you're his partner and he is REALLY dumb for defending you out of the blue. even you are good enough at this game to tell him not to do that. but that is probably not the case. he's probably a DT who checked you out as town and is being dumb by begging for medic protection (already 1 soft blue claim there) and defending you for no reason. I don't want to lynch the person I most suspect of being blue. why would I vote for him? 3. i doubt lol1221 is a smurf. unless she is a smurf trying to pretend that she is an awful player or something. it usually doesn't worth that way. a few people signed up or started posting to play in haunted mafia so it's possible she did the same. if she is a smurf, she's the smurf of a really bad player. It's hard to guess why mafia would hit her. they either thought, like you, that she was the smurf of a good player, or they're trying to do the opposite of what is expected (which would be to hit experienced players and blues) 4. never said you thought I was most likely mafia. you said an experienced player is most likely mafia and AFAIK the only "experienced" players here are me you and BB. 5. knock yourself out analysing worthless day 1 votes In that game he was quick to point out other peoples bad play, and he was very active in the thread, much like he is here.
All this said I find myself agreeing with many of DrH's posts, he often posts what I was thinking. But I think his posting style is too alike to what I know as his mafia style for me to dare voting for him.
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Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town.
On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM?
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On April 12 2011 02:04 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote:Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. Provide no reasons for thoughts on alignment: Check Confuse plans with alignments: Check
You are moving up my scumlist
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Medic protection for non-existent players for their alignment in a previous game, over veterans like DrH or Kavdragon.
Come on GM
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As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. My problem with it is you list a bunch of players, who are very unlikely to get targeted unless they spilled their role. Mafia hit priority is people who can sway town opinion against them first and foremost, and secondly blue sniping. Inactives aren't going to sway anyone. A bunch of the players you have on the list are not likely to get targeted by mafia, simply because they aren't that active.
I do like that you want to use the list as a discussion point, it's exactly the kind of pro town play I would expect from you, but you didn't bring it up like the list was for discussion - I thought it was part of your campaign, and on that side of things I'm much more interested in hearing some names for your lynch if you get elected, than how you will lead the town after you have been elected.
I do think it is a good idea to get some idea about who the candidates find are scummy and who they think are town, and medic/dt lists are a great tool for that.
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