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| Elroi Sweden. April 21 2011 23:52. Posts 4022 | Profile # |
On April 21 2011 23:48 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 23:36 bluetrolls wrote:
On April 21 2011 23:23 Holgerius wrote:
Is JD guaranteed #1 over Flash though? I wouldn't mind, and he's certainly in a good position, but how safe is he?
Because there are fewer games (OSL, where are thou?), the Power Rank has become more volatile. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Yeah, it has become even so volatile, that a 5-time Champion can replace another 5-time champion on the throne. Ridiculous.
The group of death today had 13 starleague golds between them. That is... insane. |
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| Holgerius Sweden. April 21 2011 23:56. Posts 16831 | Profile Blog # |
Well, I'm not gonna spend any time arguing for Flash at #1 anyway. I love both of them and JD played amazing SC today. I don't mind. It will all be settled for real when they face each other in the final to fight for the Golden Badge and tying Nada anyway.  |
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| Malinor Germany. April 22 2011 00:17. Posts 4179 | Profile # |
On April 21 2011 23:51 bluetrolls wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 23:48 Malinor wrote:
On April 21 2011 23:36 bluetrolls wrote:
On April 21 2011 23:23 Holgerius wrote:
Is JD guaranteed #1 over Flash though? I wouldn't mind, and he's certainly in a good position, but how safe is he?
Because there are fewer games (OSL, where are thou?), the Power Rank has become more volatile. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Yeah, it has become even so volatile, that a 5-time Champion can replace another 5-time champion on the throne. Ridiculous.
After Flash trounces JD in yet another final, JD fans will find solace in the May PR. 
I won't. But just because Flash is the best player doesn't mean he needs to be #1 every month or that he is the best every single month. Sometimes other players just perform better. But that doesn't make the PR volatile. |
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| Holgerius Sweden. April 22 2011 00:20. Posts 16831 | Profile Blog # |
| Compared to last year the entire BW scene has been volatile though. Last year it was all Flash #1 and JD #2 all the time. Almost literally. Recently we've seen Stork have a crazy run, Fantasy tearing shit up, Bisu looking unbeatable, both Flash and JD showing weakness... right now though things are going back to normal. :D LeeSang FTW! Last edit: 2011-04-22 00:21:53 |
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| gen.Sun United States. April 22 2011 02:57. Posts 505 | Profile Blog # |
| I disagree, flash did no look as strong as he did last year. Even when he lost last year he played amazingly. Not so today in game 3 and 5. |
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| Mortality United States. April 22 2011 03:32. Posts 4790 | Profile Blog # |
1. JD
2. Flash - back in January/February during WL Flash was looking basically unbeatable and the only mark against him was his piss-poor December performance. In March I commented that Flash looked maybe a bit more beatable than before, but he was still the obvious candidate for #1. Right now he's still a strong, solid player, but he was not the best player last month.
3. Bisu - Under other circumstances he could have been #2 but I think that Flash proved that Bisu's win on Aztec was just one game.
4. Fantasy - learn how to overcome Soulkey please. I'll admit that Soulkey is a player with a lot of ability (even if he doesn't always show it), but not so much that he should be 6-1 against you. However, there is no doubt in my mind of Fanta's ability, nor of his hotness. Soulkey stepped up for the win rather than Fanta stepping down.
Edit: Also PR worthy IMO but I'm not going to bother ranking: Stork, Zero (statistics do not do justice to how solid he is right now), Hydra (his MSL gold was not a fluke), Light (with all new and improved TvP!).
And possibly: Mind (currently a bit of a dark horse... producing solid results lately without attracting attention), Leta (a couple months ago on the worst loss streak of his career, but solid play lately, 8-2 in his last 10 and I don't know how he managed to get away with 14cc vs 9hatch ling rush and then AGAIN vs 4pool).
Hard/impossible to rank: Baby has not played at all this month even though he's been so strong lately. Stats only played 1 game (loss to s2 on Zerg haven Icarus). Sea had the bad luck of being in group D.
CBNC: Soulkey: want on rank? Show us more than just 2 good games. FBH: bad luck to face Stork twice.Last edit: 2011-04-22 03:53:46 |
| | Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature |
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 Lightwip United States. April 22 2011 07:43. Posts 5497 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2011 23:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:Jaedong deserves #1 unless he like chokes vs khan and loses a game and an ace game or something. I think his ZvP is still a bit suspect but there's absolutely no reason to say anything besides Jaedong #1 Flash #2 right now for PR's sake. I say this despite thinking Flash is still the better player.
Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 23:13 Lightwip wrote:
Hmm, no Oz or KT games this month. That makes things slightly more difficult.
1 Flash - meh
2 JD - I'd really like to see more games from him, but he's definitely on the way up.
3 Bisu - Quite a few achievements this month, but still needs some refinement. He should've won that last game vs Flash.
The last game? The last game was just Flash being generally more solid in a long game. Bisu should've won the first game when Flash handed him a massive advantage on a silver platter and he proceeded to give us a Jaehoon from 08 level PvT.
I think bisu could've won that. He basically was doing fine until that horrible attack at 6, even though he started with a disadvantage. |
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| HopLight Sweden. April 22 2011 07:51. Posts 859 | Profile Blog # |
I think Leta deserves a decent spot and I'd drop Fantasy a fair bit. It's going to be really hard to place the lower half of the rank though.
Edit: FixedLast edit: 2011-04-22 08:17:10 |
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| Mortality United States. April 22 2011 10:24. Posts 4790 | Profile Blog # |
On April 22 2011 07:43 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 23:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:Jaedong deserves #1 unless he like chokes vs khan and loses a game and an ace game or something. I think his ZvP is still a bit suspect but there's absolutely no reason to say anything besides Jaedong #1 Flash #2 right now for PR's sake. I say this despite thinking Flash is still the better player.
On April 21 2011 23:13 Lightwip wrote:
Hmm, no Oz or KT games this month. That makes things slightly more difficult.
1 Flash - meh
2 JD - I'd really like to see more games from him, but he's definitely on the way up.
3 Bisu - Quite a few achievements this month, but still needs some refinement. He should've won that last game vs Flash.
The last game? The last game was just Flash being generally more solid in a long game. Bisu should've won the first game when Flash handed him a massive advantage on a silver platter and he proceeded to give us a Jaehoon from 08 level PvT.
I think bisu could've won that. He basically was doing fine until that horrible attack at 6, even though he started with a disadvantage.
Yes he "could" have won that game if he didn't make that attack at 6. But he chose to make the attack. And even if he hadn't the game would have been about even. Flash was the better player that game, ergo Flash deserved the win.
Anyway, it's not really relevant to the PR anyway since Bisu's position of #3 is pretty much locked and the debate about Flash vs JD in 1/2 is more of an issue of JD's ZvP. But me speaking, I'd give JD #1 this month. |
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| Mortality United States. April 22 2011 10:29. Posts 4790 | Profile Blog # |
On April 21 2011 23:52 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 23:48 Malinor wrote:
On April 21 2011 23:36 bluetrolls wrote:
On April 21 2011 23:23 Holgerius wrote:
Is JD guaranteed #1 over Flash though? I wouldn't mind, and he's certainly in a good position, but how safe is he?
Because there are fewer games (OSL, where are thou?), the Power Rank has become more volatile. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Yeah, it has become even so volatile, that a 5-time Champion can replace another 5-time champion on the throne. Ridiculous.
The group of death today had 13 starleague golds between them. That is... insane.
AFAIK the only comparable group in history was NaDa/Oov/July/Clon in IOPS. At the time Nada had 5 golds, Oov had 4, and July had only 1 so far, and in terms of ability definitely comparable to FJB. However on the issue of the 4th man, Clon was never a heavyweight in 1v1 (although he managed to take out Oov in their match -- very ironic because as I recall Oov picked him to be an easy win) and Sea has consistently been a top 5 Terran for about 5 years now.
This MSL's group D was the death group to end all death groups. |
| | Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature |
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| gen.Sun United States. April 22 2011 10:36. Posts 505 | Profile Blog # |
| Why is bisu #3 locked? Stork should be three if he beats hydra. |
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| Oystein Norway. April 22 2011 11:01. Posts 1559 | Profile Blog # |
On April 22 2011 10:36 gen.Sun wrote:
Why is bisu #3 locked? Stork should be three if he beats hydra.
Because he beat Jaedong and Flash causing SKT to win the SWL. |
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| Fishmalk April 22 2011 12:17. Posts 70 | Profile # |
On April 22 2011 11:01 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:36 gen.Sun wrote:
Why is bisu #3 locked? Stork should be three if he beats hydra.
Because he beat Jaedong and Flash causing SKT to win the SWL.
He beat Flash once, on Aztec, followed by losing to Flash twice on maps that are fair for pvt.
Beating Jd once is impressive, of course, but hardly enough to lock in #3 if Stork is able to topple Hydra. |
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| Oystein Norway. April 22 2011 12:40. Posts 1559 | Profile Blog # |
On April 22 2011 12:17 Fishmalk wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:01 Oystein wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:36 gen.Sun wrote:
Why is bisu #3 locked? Stork should be three if he beats hydra.
Because he beat Jaedong and Flash causing SKT to win the SWL.
He beat Flash once, on Aztec, followed by losing to Flash twice on maps that are fair for pvt. Beating Jd once is impressive, of course, but hardly enough to lock in #3 if Stork is able to topple Hydra.
So a map with the great sample size of 2 games is a fair map? Or how about that map where no toss have won in broadcasted games vT and all PvT wins comes from superior P players beating chump B teamers in offliners? |
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| corumjhaelen France. April 22 2011 15:49. Posts 4925 | Profile Blog # |
On April 22 2011 12:40 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:17 Fishmalk wrote:
On April 22 2011 11:01 Oystein wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:36 gen.Sun wrote:
Why is bisu #3 locked? Stork should be three if he beats hydra.
Because he beat Jaedong and Flash causing SKT to win the SWL.
He beat Flash once, on Aztec, followed by losing to Flash twice on maps that are fair for pvt. Beating Jd once is impressive, of course, but hardly enough to lock in #3 if Stork is able to topple Hydra.
So a map with the great sample size of 2 games is a fair map? Or how about that map where no toss have won in broadcasted games vT and all PvT wins comes from superior P players beating chump B teamers in offliners?
To be fair, there were only two games played on the map that were relevant in the match-up, this one, and Stork losing to Mind... with 12 nexus getting bunker rushed. So yeah, I can see some favourable feature for t on the map (seems good for vulture harass, easy 4th), but I'm not sure it's really that screwed in Ts favor. And to see how the map really had any influence on the Flash vs Bisu game, where Flash looked beatable, and Bisu made some glaring mistakes. Maybe I fail to see something. |
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| gen.Sun United States. April 22 2011 18:16. Posts 505 | Profile Blog # |
On April 22 2011 11:01 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:36 gen.Sun wrote:
Why is bisu #3 locked? Stork should be three if he beats hydra.
Because he beat Jaedong and Flash causing SKT to win the SWL.
I don't feel like the WL win was extremely legit, as yesterday showed, Bisu's glaring weakness in pvt is not something you would expect from an S class player.
Taking down hydra in a series would mean a lot more. Also SPL is returning. I hope to come back in a few days and argue for stork #2 if he takes down jaedong. |
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| hacklebeast United States. April 23 2011 00:23. Posts 4643 | Profile Blog # |
This is going to sound stupid, but i think the order should go
jd
bisu
flash
both bisu and flash have 3 wins two losses
bisu(flash JD sea)(flash flash)
flash(bisu bisu s2)(bisu JD)
A loss to flash is comparable to a loss to jaedong, so let's ignore those
bisu(flash JD sea)(flash )
flash(bisu bisu s2)(bisu )
While I would argue that bisu beating flash is more impressive than flash beating bisu, let’s say that they are equal, and take them out.
bisu(JD sea)
flash(bisu s2)
Two games left, and both of bisu's are more impressive. Flash beat bisu in his historically weak matchup, while JD has no weak MUs. That, and Sea is a better player than S2. This combined that Bisu's wins (final game of playoffs day 2, final game of championship, msl group game) are more important than flash's (a game in the championship (not last one) and 2 from MSL groups) means bisu had a better month, despite losing the head to head.
so JD, then bisu, then flash. Unless bisu drops a game or JD drops two, that’s the way it should be.
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| dani_caliKorea April 23 2011 00:32. Posts 730 | Profile Blog # |
| Power ranks aren't math equations. If you saw the Bisu v. Flash games, Bisu clearly showed a weakness unlike JD and Flash who look much more scary. I don't think you will find anyone here who thinks Bisu should be above Flash. He is a strong contender for #3 however. |
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| Mortality United States. April 23 2011 00:40. Posts 4790 | Profile Blog # |
Really you are trying to infer too much from too little. At the end of the day you're faulting Flash for having the same record over only FIVE games while facing a *marginally* easier line-up when the truth is that the only players either person lost to is a member of TaekBaengLeeSsang. I hate to break it to you but Flash has limited control over which opponents he faces... you really can't blame him for shrugging off s2 unless you think he should have just decided not to play as his team's ace in the WL finals...
And while PvT is indeed Bisu's historical weak point it clearly isn't right now; PvP is. Take a look at his recent games against Free and Perfectman, not to mention that lately he can't seem to beat Stork at all, and that he's been out-played in some other games as well. |
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