 Jinsing December 01 2004 15:30. Posts 16 | Profile |
Anyone else tried this programe and think it makes them lag ?
Seems to for me but i'm not sure its the programe, or me. |
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| depriveterran Afghanistan. December 01 2004 16:55. Posts 39 | Profile |
the maphack checking is only for the first 5mins, make it random checking or user control.
i tested with a friend. me penguin he use hack. and told him not to on after 5 mins and after penguin had check for maphack.. then after he went to open hacks, nothing happens the penguin didnt check for the hack anymore.. fix it! |
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 superpenguin France. December 01 2004 17:36. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 01 2004 16:55 depriveterran wrote:
the maphack checking is only for the first 5mins... fix it!
This is a planned option, but the problem your describe is not that much common : first he will have to know you run penguinplug. then he need to restart his SC every game to unload his hack. For a first distributed version of PenguinPlug it's not that bad, of course i wont let it 6 month with a defined timer of 5 minutes but if it's stay like it is for 2 weeks, you will still catch more hackers than you can expect.
I also dont want to make it a spaming tool. imagine if i set it to check every 5 minutes repetedly : in a 8 player games it could make nearly 1 blank message every 30 seconds if all of them have it...
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 Milzo  France. December 02 2004 03:02. Posts 655 | Profile |
Ok works great thanks a lot.
If you can i'd really like you to try to include a "replay bugfix" capability, similar to this proggy: http://www.bwhacks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77
Because for now I have to choose if I want to defend against one type of hack or another if I'm correct (both include launchers).
And yeah I have a pretty slow (56k ^^) connection at the moment so I noticed that penguin slows me down quite a bit. But eh i f it doesn't make DSL/cable users it's all good, so few 56k users now.
Again, great work, thanks a lot, the hotkeys thingie will change a lot of things for me I believe. Much <3 |
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 04:39. Posts 199 | Profile |
i will see that latter but i dont have any informations atm about how exactly the replay corruption occurs. It's not a big problem but it just mean i need some time, i have quite many problem that remains to fix before : the 6 and 8 hotkey for unshfted hotkey and the very difficult windows9x incompatibility.
Because for now I have to choose if I want to defend against one type of hack or another if I'm correct (both include launchers).
you can try to use PenguinLauncher just after starcraft and your chatlogger, and it should attach automaticaly to it even if it's already started. However it might not work if the other software you use modify the same memory locations that PenguinPlug is using.
And yeah I have a pretty slow (56k ^^) connection at the moment so I noticed that penguin slows me down quite a bit
It's impossible that PenguinPlug could slow down your connection in a noticable way. Durring the all game, it only send a 9 bytes long message. On the other hand, if your computer has a very slow CPU, then maybe it can slow down a little the game.
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 dt Germany. December 02 2004 05:06. Posts 126 | Profile |
You can run the loader from the replay bugfix after starcraft has been loaded. It will attach to it.
@penguin
Since I already coded the replay bugfix there's no need for you to do it again. I'd especially appreciate if you didnt reverse my program. I put quite much work into it.Last edit: 2004-12-02 05:22:02 |
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| Milzo France. December 02 2004 05:20. Posts 655 | Profile |
Well yeah that's weird, I had tried it both ways before posting and it didn't work and now that I try it again it works flawlessly O_o
Sorry about that but eh maybe it cleared things up for other people as well.
Much power to both of you and keep up the good work. |
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| fender-pro Estonia. December 02 2004 05:31. Posts 208 | Profile |
Great Job, man!!!
Only bug i found is that i can't put my units together with shift button. Could u fix that? |
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 06:40. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 05:31 fender-pro wrote:
Great Job, man!!!
Only bug i found is that i can't put my units together with shift button. Could u fix that?
You mean if you select 1 unit, keep shift pressed and clic the shift unit, it only select the new one
like if you forgot to press shift ?
I cant reproduct it ? what keyboard layout do you use ? is this bug affecting querty ? please give some details.
btw, i will make unshifted hotkey as an option so if you have querty it means you dont need it, so it would fix your problem. |
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 07:17. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 05:06 dt wrote:
@penguin
Since I already coded the replay bugfix there's no need for you to do it again. I'd especially appreciate if you didnt reverse my program. I put quite much work into it.
@DT :
humorous comment : i guess Drakken would have say the same thing if he knew i was about to look at his maphack 
Theres some thing that worry me :
- when cheat-protection is reserved only for those who visit cheating websites
- when a guy that admin a cheating website suggest me not to fix some crash replay issues that can occurs because of a cheating program
Now if someone want to reverse my PenguinPlug to copy the RWT text from a .rep in a .txt file for example, i wouldnt say it's bad. Or if they want to check that my program doesnt contain any backdoor for their own safety, i find it a perfectly legit reason to do that. Now if someone was reversing it to create program to produce fake text that dont get detected with the futur crc code, that would annoy me more. In my oppinion, you should worry more about people how could manage to r-e your code to find a way to disable your protection or expose a way to crash it with some other cheat programs (i'm not saying it's possible)
However, even if you didn't had gave me your opinion about reversing this fix, if i had done it i would have gave you all the credit you deserve for this point. But now if i have to implement it, i will try to code it myself and you will have no reason to say "penguin please dont fix it, and everybody, if you are a legit player that want fair programs, please come to my cheat website".
You sound like microsoft : "no need to make an other opperating system, theres already one"
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| dt Germany. December 02 2004 07:35. Posts 126 | Profile |
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| ggt France. December 02 2004 07:54. Posts 55 | Profile |
is there any way to use it with a no CD ?
thx in advance
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 07:54. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 07:35 dt wrote:
Or do you think all I want is destroying the starcraft community?
i dont know if it's all what you want. But i certainly dont think that a website that is distributing maphack want to help the starcraft community. And as your website contain both fair and cheating programs, so whatever is the noise/signal ratio i will just call that cheating.
But if you reverse mine, you are violating copyright.and stealing my intellectual property.
I dont think that you are in the right position to comment about reversing, you never reversed anything in your life ? (hint: starcraft ?)
if you reverse mine
"enim"
And by the way, this replay issue doesnt occur because of a cheating program.
I already said the first time when someone requested this feature that i didnt had the knowledge of what trigger the bug. So i trusted someone that i probably shouldnt have :
on his chatlogger page, dt wrote:
Replay bugfix
Starcraft has in total three bugs/buffer overrun problems in its replay system. Possible problems are:
* the game freezes when you try to save a replay
* the replay is not played correctly, i.e. from some point on nothing happens
* the game crashes while watching the replay
These problems can be caused by several things:
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* a player using a hack that causes a problem intentionally
* a player using a hack that allows to control large groups of units ("selection hack”)
(...)
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 08:02. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 07:54 ggt wrote:
is there any way to use it with a no CD ?
thx in advance
ggt, sorry i cant provide you any help for that. There is no special code to prevent "no cd" programs in PenguinPlug but i dont know if it's possible to do it with it and i dont want to know.
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| fender-pro Estonia. December 02 2004 08:04. Posts 208 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 06:40 superpenguin wrote:
You mean if you select 1 unit, keep shift pressed and clic the shift unit, it only select the new one
like if you forgot to press shift ?
I cant reproduct it ? what keyboard layout do you use ? is this bug affecting querty ? please give some details.
Yes, like i forgot to press shift. I have qwerty layout. Let somebody try it and tell us if it (selecting with shift) works for him. For me it doesn't. ;(
btw, i will make unshifted hotkey as an option so if you have querty it means you dont need it, so it would fix your problem.
Ok, thnx!
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 Crrrrrrrr United States. December 02 2004 09:14. Posts 2 | Profile |
Its a pity this is just coming out now I have so many games I always wished you could have saved the text in replays. But now that it is out I'm going to have lots of fun  |
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| anarchyplz December 02 2004 09:24. Posts 100 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 07:35 dt wrote:
Of course you can write your own replay bugfix. But if you reverse mine, you are violating copyright.and stealing my intellectual property. Giving credit doesnt change that fact.
You don't violate copyright with reverseengineering, as for intellectual property... have you patented it? do you both live in the USA? |
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 KillerPenguin United States. December 02 2004 10:34. Posts 365 | Profile |
| I haven't used the program yet but it sounds great. I would like to learn about the programming you did maybe I can help. Can you send me your aim/source to penguin5757@hotmail.com? btw nice name! |
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| lingwu Japan. December 02 2004 10:35. Posts 321 | Profile |
| hey this program is super ! thanks super penguin. just had a game with a hacker and he left with saying '???' when he started killing himself...ahhh priceless.. |
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| dt Germany. December 02 2004 10:38. Posts 126 | Profile |
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