 superpenguin France. November 29 2004 10:35. Posts 199 | Profile |
update: 08/12/2004, New version released, PenguinPlug v0.3
Tones of bugs have been fixed since 0.2 and it now works with windows 95/98/Me too.
Users of the test version "0.2.9" wont notice a big difference, but at least it gave me some time to test it. I cant make any promise of "bugfree" but it since the 0.2 it has been tested by 1000 people, it is now less "experimental" than before.
Dont forget to read the changelog and FAQ before asking questions
http://ste.gnux.info/pp
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old news:
Since the last 3 weeks i spent a lot of time programming and here is the result... I wrote a pluggin for SC, the main features are :
- Replay with text (save the chat durring the game in the replay, and show it when you watch it)
- Anti-hack system (disturb a particular maphack and protect against freeze-hack)
It has not been completely tested and might not work especialy on windows 9x/me series. It is still beta and might contain bugs, if you find some, please repport them i will try to fix them. However it has recieved some positive feedback on scd (StarCraftDream PenguinPlug annoucement) so i guess it might help some people here too.
Read the readme to know more, and read it before you ask any question.
PenguinPlug webpage & downloads:
http://ste.gnux.info/pp
have fun
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 ChApFoU France. November 29 2004 10:44. Posts 2080 | Profile |
Unshifted hotkey is the best gift you can make to the frech bw community THX a lot, french hotkeys are such a pain in the ass ^^
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| Cool! Replays with text rocks |
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| I found a small bug, I use litestep to replace the explorer shell and the program gives me an error message saying the icon can't be displayed, other then that it works great. Last edit: 2004-11-29 11:11:26 |
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| superpenguin France. November 29 2004 11:15. Posts 199 | Profile |
On November 29 2004 10:57 Kobayashi wrote:
I found a small bug, I use a litestep to replace the explorer shell and the program gives me an error message saying the icon can't be displayed, other then that it works great.
Yes it sounds logical. does litestep works with other programs that use icons in the system tray ? But like you said it's a small bug, the icon dont do anything except showing the program is loaded in this version, you are not missing anything. |
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| SojT United States. November 29 2004 11:17. Posts 776 | Profile |
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| Response United States. November 29 2004 11:21. Posts 1647 | Profile Blog |
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| indecision Germany. November 29 2004 11:24. Posts 684 | Profile |
On November 29 2004 11:21 GoSuPlAyEr wrote:
i love you for making this :-D
around 50 KB :>
but there is more than 1 file, but they are below 500 KB for sure. |
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| superpenguin France. November 29 2004 11:26. Posts 199 | Profile |
On November 29 2004 11:17 SojT wrote:
"that's just a bonus for public games but it wont be a proof that nobody is hacking."
nobody should be changed to "some one"
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I realy meant "nobody"... if you run penguinplug and theres no message or clues about someone hacking, it doesnt mean that your opponent are not hacking, it just mean that they dont use the maphack that penguinplug detect. However, if when sending the detection message the enemy maphack is disturbed and he start unallying himself, then it's a 100% sure proof of hacking.
So it can prove that someone is hacking but it cant prove that someone is not hacking. clear ? 
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| Kobayashi Portugal. November 29 2004 11:33. Posts 1970 | Profile |
On November 29 2004 11:15 superpenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 29 2004 10:57 Kobayashi wrote:
I found a small bug, I use a litestep to replace the explorer shell and the program gives me an error message saying the icon can't be displayed, other then that it works great.
Yes it sounds logical. does litestep works with other programs that use icons in the system tray ? But like you said it's a small bug, the icon dont do anything except showing the program is loaded in this version, you are not missing anything.
yeah,other programs don't have problems with the systray, but as u said it's just a small detail, nice job |
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Oh, cool. Belgians are stuck with the crappy French keyboard too, this should be handy. :D
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| Response United States. November 29 2004 11:49. Posts 1647 | Profile Blog |
around 50 KB :>
but there is more than 1 file, but they are below 500 KB for sure.[/QUOTE]
awesome:-D ive always wanted the text since wc3 came out with it (wish you could see what your opponent's wrote as well tho that would be really tight) |
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 Catyoul  France. November 29 2004 12:33. Posts 2092 | Profile |
Awesome for French hotkeys !
thanks a lot !
edit : next step would be to include it in anti-hacking programs like bwscanner or pgtour/ngi launchers so we can have the benefits of the program while still within a hack free environment. I suppose it would be detected right now (didn't check)Last edit: 2004-11-29 12:37:20 |
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| CyuntiyuL Canada. November 29 2004 12:35. Posts 1640 | Profile |
Awesome, I've always wanted to prove the people I'm playing are BM, now I can. Thanks. Oh, and prove they hack  |
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 Shiv France. November 29 2004 12:45. Posts 447 | Profile |
Ok, my thoughts: this is indeed great for all azerty owners. I'm still having troubles when typing a message in-game, 'cause I always lock caps thinking I'm still unlocking them and so on...
So I've tried it, and encountered a few problems: when playing protoss, the 6-7-8th or so hotkeys just won't work. You just ctrl+key and when you hit it, nothing happens. Frustrating. When playing zerg, the 6th won't work too. Since I'm not a terran player, I don't really know for those. It might be my own computer, but I don't think so. So you may want to check a bit. Otherwise, I had one opponent who just wrote "??" at a time a message by your program popped up, so I was wondering whether he can see it or not.
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| superpenguin France. November 29 2004 14:07. Posts 199 | Profile |
On November 29 2004 12:45 Shiv wrote:
So I've tried it, and encountered a few problems: when playing protoss, the 6-7-8th or so hotkeys just won't work. (...) So you may want to check a bit.
thanx for telling me... since my starcraft skill where not high enough to use all of those hotkey i only did a limited testing on the first ones and thought it would work because i process them all in the same way. however 6 and 8 are not working, i guess it's something particular with the underscores. at least a serious tester is here
Otherwise, I had one opponent who just wrote "??" at a time a message by your program popped up, so I was wondering whether he can see it or not.
he will see a blank line with "your-aka: " but the message "anti-hack check" is displayed on your computer only. i think found a way to remove it for the next version but it will cause an other drawback : it will clean all the messages on the screen, so it's very noticeable he is talking at the same time. let me know if you like realy the empty line better, if not i will code the screen clearing method, and if i'm in good mood i will put an option to choose which one you want.
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 ahk-gosu Korea (South). November 29 2004 14:09. Posts 2099 | Profile |
On November 29 2004 10:44 ChApFoU wrote:
Unshifted hotkey is the best gift you can make to the frech bw community THX a lot, french hotkeys are such a pain in the ass ^^
plz excuse my ignorance.
why is an unshifted hotkey?
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| Shiv France. November 29 2004 14:47. Posts 447 | Profile |
On November 29 2004 14:07 superpenguin wrote:
he will see a blank line with "your-aka: " but the message "anti-hack check" is displayed on your computer only. i think found a way to remove it for the next version but it will cause an other drawback : it will clean all the messages on the screen, so it's very noticeable he is talking at the same time. let me know if you like realy the empty line better, if not i will code the screen clearing method, and if i'm in good mood i will put an option to choose which one you want.
Well, that's not a problem at all. Don't bother with it. Just wanted to know.
On November 29 2004 14:09 ahk-gosu wrote:
plz excuse my ignorance.
why is an unshifted hotkey?
thx
Well, with the french keyboards - called "azerty" as opposed to "qwerty", you have to have your caps button locked if you want to recall your keys by just pressing them. Otherwise, you have to do alt+# whenever you want to recall a single key. A real burden when you're using the shift button (it 'undo' the caps with old keyboards, and you can always missclick), and a pain the rest of a time 'cause that's just one more key to hit every time.Last edit: 2004-11-29 14:49:23 |
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is this editing hotkeys too?
i mean like keycraft?
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| when you double click the launcher it launches bw too, can you launch it without this so that you can run like neo-gamei launcher at the same time which also loads bw upon connecting? |
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| superpenguin France. November 29 2004 15:10. Posts 199 | Profile |
On November 29 2004 14:54 JazZ[AutO] wrote:
when you double click the launcher it launches bw too, can you launch it without this so that you can run like neo-gamei launcher at the same time which also loads bw upon connecting?
Press ctrl + alt + del and check the process list, if theres still starcraft.exe after you runned it from neogamei, then penguinplug should at least "load", the launcher will detect starcraft.exe and attach to it. it doesnt mean it will work because neogamei might do tones of things with the memory to avoid 3rd party programs. The best is to try yourself. |
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| RaiZ France. November 29 2004 15:32. Posts 1648 | Profile Blog |
On November 29 2004 14:47 Shiv wrote:
Well, with the french keyboards - called "azerty" as opposed to "qwerty", you have to have your caps button locked if you want to recall your keys by just pressing them. Otherwise, you have to do alt+# whenever you want to recall a single key. A real burden when you're using the shift button (it 'undo' the caps with old keyboards, and you can always missclick), and a pain the rest of a time 'cause that's just one more key to hit every time.
Well there's not a lot of ppl using the french keyboard or at least that's what i saw in lan : Almost all used the qwerty keyboard or logitech which can't be unlocked just by pressing the shift buton. |
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| JaySmurff United States. November 29 2004 19:46. Posts 740 | Profile |
| program looks cool, downloading now. |
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| 1024MB United States. November 29 2004 21:51. Posts 1455 | Profile |
Oh great, now not only can the little whiners who think they are the best call names and hack, they can also make others' look like they've said what they didn't.
Don't get me wrong. This is a great work. I respect you and think it's a nifty tool, but I just think this'll be abused more than anything.
Sort of like when people act like idiots on B.net. No, I'm not upset with B.net, just the people.Last edit: 2004-11-29 21:52:56 |
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 SoMuchBetter Australia. November 29 2004 22:06. Posts 7738 | Profile Blog |
I have a suggestion;
would it be possible to add the text messages to the replay so that you dont need to use your program to view them, but only to record them?
I know its possible to extract a map from the replay, but what if you made a program that added the text messages in trigger form to the map part of the replay, so that anyone watching the replay would see them? |
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my friends and i have come across some amusing reactions while using this program in some pub bgh games.
hacker: "WTF!!! You guys are fucking hackers!!"
us: roflmao
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| Verbloten Australia. November 30 2004 14:16. Posts 750 | Profile |
this is an interesting topic though CTStalker... I introduced this to some mates last night - i wasn't able to play with them - but i was in the channel when they got back from a game. The reaction they had from someone in the game was "WTF My units are attacking themselves". Two of the 3 (playing 3v3 hunters) got the old can't save replay and BW crashed. One of the three was OK - but unfortunately he didn't save the replay (oh that's prolly why he was ok... duh). Um but that third guy was very dubious about the pengi app. He was saying - how do we know that it is not hacking other players?! How DO WE KNOW that this isn't just another hack that a hacker has cleverly distributed to all of us non-hackers as a little bit of a joke?!
So we play against innocent ppl and they start killing themselves?? HOW DO WE KNOW ppl? Anyway - i'm going to keep using it for a while and see what happens - i love it!! |
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| superpenguin France. November 30 2004 16:27. Posts 199 | Profile |
So we play against innocent ppl and they start killing themselves?? HOW DO WE KNOW ppl?
No, First, it's impossible to change the ally status of a player that is not you, it would drop you from the game. I explained the behavior of my program in the readme, and i suggest you to read it if you didnt (the one in the zip file is older, so check the online one about this).
It works because their own maphack contain a backdoor code to unally themself when they recieve a particular message. So theres 0% of chance that it could affect an innocent.
One of my friend gave an interesting comment : in some games you say "gg". now just imagine that instead of 9 ascii unprintable characters ; if the trigger of the backdoor was the message "gg". would it mean you are using an evil opponent-unally hack to kill your enemy everytime you say "gg" in a game ?
It's really all what my anti-hack is doing, sending a 9 character message with ac off and this message doesnt affect starcraft. But it inform the enemy maphack that if their owners maphack, it's because they have no life, and as they are not dead yet they should commit self-unallying-suicide to fix that
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| evanthebouncy China. November 30 2004 16:39. Posts 415 | Profile |
didnt work for windows me?
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| Moggle Canada. November 30 2004 17:13. Posts 327 | Profile Blog |
| I played a 2v2 with my friend earlier. We were allied and we went to attack one of the enemies. He started attacking himself and left before we began our attack. Are you positive that it CANNOT EVER affect innocent, non-hacking players? I'm nearly 99% sure that my friend was not hacking because he is one of my closer and more trusted friends IRL. |
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| dt Germany. November 30 2004 17:48. Posts 126 | Profile |
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| superpenguin France. November 30 2004 17:55. Posts 199 | Profile |
On November 30 2004 17:13 Enorasis wrote:
I played a 2v2 with my friend earlier. We were allied and we went to attack one of the enemies. He started attacking himself and left before we began our attack. Are you positive that it CANNOT EVER affect innocent, non-hacking players? I'm nearly 99% sure that my friend was not hacking because he is one of my closer and more trusted friends IRL.
I'm 100% sure he has the hack installed and loaded in memory in the game where he unallyed himself. The post above is an accurate description of how the system works. It absolutely cannont affect someone unless he has a backdoor that is trigered by this exact message and that is contained only in this maphack.
It doesnt mean that he effectively activated the show map function of his hack in the game you have played : for example, he could have played a game just before yours vs someone he hate and play it with hack, and then disable it but without quiting SC. He still have the maphack loaded and the maphack is programmed to listen to message even if the map is not displayed.
I suggest you to use the other tools avaible if you have some personnal doubts but it wont change the fact that there is no way to unally someone remotely except if he has this backdoor in this maphack. Did you already used lasgo BWAC in more than 5 replays of him ?
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| FirstProbe November 30 2004 17:59. Posts 808 | Profile |
Nice!
Cool program!
Just outta curiousity... will it show what people are typing behind allied chat (like the other team)? |
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| Verbloten Australia. November 30 2004 18:05. Posts 750 | Profile |
holy crap enorasis - you mean you were playing 2v2 AGAINST a friend and he started killing himself? This is not good! assuming we believe superpenguin - then your friend must hack no? Penguin man your thoughts?
Thanks for your explanation too Penguin man - that's great. |
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| AmazingFlash November 30 2004 18:06. Posts 582 | Profile |
| I'd like to see androide's replays with text . Imagine that. |
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| JazZ[AutO] United States. November 30 2004 18:12. Posts 555 | Profile |
| This program is so amazing. Watching the replays with text is fun, and this anti-hack thing is the coolest thing ever if it does work right. Great job! |
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| Moggle Canada. November 30 2004 18:14. Posts 327 | Profile Blog |
On November 30 2004 17:55 superpenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 30 2004 17:13 Enorasis wrote:
I played a 2v2 with my friend earlier. We were allied and we went to attack one of the enemies. He started attacking himself and left before we began our attack. Are you positive that it CANNOT EVER affect innocent, non-hacking players? I'm nearly 99% sure that my friend was not hacking because he is one of my closer and more trusted friends IRL.
I'm 100% sure he has the hack installed and loaded in memory in the game where he unallyed himself. The post above is an accurate description of how the system works. It absolutely cannont affect someone unless he has a backdoor that is trigered by this exact message and that is contained only in this maphack. It doesnt mean that he effectively activated the show map function of his hack in the game you have played : for example, he could have played a game just before yours vs someone he hate and play it with hack, and then disable it but without quiting SC. He still have the maphack loaded and the maphack is programmed to listen to message even if the map is not displayed. I suggest you to use the other tools avaible if you have some personnal doubts but it wont change the fact that there is no way to unally someone remotely except if he has this backdoor in this maphack. Did you already used lasgo BWAC in more than 5 replays of him ?
Well, I'll have to do some testing on him...
But I have another question. Would it be possible that your program could trigger that kind of event using only say...registry files or something like that. I remember having a maphack a few years back for UMS but I deleted it 2 years ago. Would I be triggerable to unallying myself or would I need to be running a maphack? |
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| superpenguin France. November 30 2004 18:23. Posts 199 | Profile |
I remember having a maphack a few years back for UMS but I deleted it 2 years ago. Would I be triggerable to unallying myself or would I need to be running a maphack?
No, it only triger it if it is loaded in memory : If you close SC and you restart it without starting this maphack, then you are safe.
FirstProbe: no, it's explained in the readme.txt (the version that is directly on the website, because the old one in the .zip file is not updated). |
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| FirstProbe November 30 2004 18:41. Posts 808 | Profile |
:D okay thanks and sorry.
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| oPtioNaLk Korea (South). November 30 2004 18:48. Posts 564 | Profile |
On a side note: No one has an excuse to play Warcraft anymore!!
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| Soun Poland. November 30 2004 19:10. Posts 373 | Profile |
| I really must wonder why people unally themselves. What did they get with that? |
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| Verbloten Australia. November 30 2004 21:40. Posts 750 | Profile |
i just watched about 5 reps from a mate of mine last night - playing ppl - so many ppl started killing themselves lol it is sooo funny. Plus - it actually makes tanks shoot themselves?!?!! which is quite a site to see!!
i can't believe how many ppl out there hack - out of like 8 games last night 5 of them hacked!! |
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| LTT Shakuras. November 30 2004 21:48. Posts 912 | Profile Blog |
| Woah, do you have a replay of a tank shooting itself? That's pretty crazy >.> |
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| Vietnam_Oi Vietnam. November 30 2004 22:55. Posts 120 | Profile |
On November 30 2004 18:23 superpenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +I remember having a maphack a few years back for UMS but I deleted it 2 years ago. Would I be triggerable to unallying myself or would I need to be running a maphack?
No, it only triger it if it is loaded in memory : If you close SC and you restart it without starting this maphack, then you are safe.
do things loaded in memory go away that fast??? |
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| baal November 30 2004 22:59. Posts 10329 | Profile |
I tested it, i went to play a 3v3 in BGH, (i had to play vs a hacker, and tittybang as offline so..), and suddenly the hydras of my ally started killing each other, it was so funny...
if you wish i can upload the rep . |
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| baal November 30 2004 23:19. Posts 10329 | Profile |
ok this is the replay, look at the zerg at 1, his hydras kill each other, but watch it with the penguin app to see him bitching about it haha.
http://my.fit.edu/~rbucci/3v3bgh.rep
btw, thats not me, its my cousin playing, in case you were going to say "omg joo suck" Last edit: 2004-11-30 23:21:04 |
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| Verbloten Australia. December 01 2004 01:47. Posts 750 | Profile |
oh guys - i have heaps of reps already - so many hackers out there that the reps of them killing themselves are easy to get!!
And yes i have several reps of single tanks taking tank fire from themselves!! it is pretty damn funny |
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| Verbloten Australia. December 01 2004 01:54. Posts 750 | Profile |
| you tell me where to host and i will dude I have never hosted any reps before... |
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| baal December 01 2004 02:00. Posts 10329 | Profile |
tanks recieving its own fire? lol..
This program rules, join a Fastest game and see how after the hack check you will see lots of people leaving hahah |
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On November 29 2004 10:44 ChApFoU wrote:
Unshifted hotkey is the best gift you can make to the frech bw community THX a lot, french hotkeys are such a pain in the ass ^^
OMG yes it often fucks me up in the heat of the action...
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| Addicted`To`Zerg Bulgaria. December 01 2004 03:10. Posts 1353 | Profile |
Replays with text rocks - gj keep programming 
i will dl this programm with sure.
hope it will work and become well-known by everyone,
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I tried testing it with ME and as you said it doesnt work at all.
When you open it you see a Loader error window that warns you that it may not work with ME. Then a black dos application opens that says:
scpid: 0
file : PenguinPlug.spl
First of all you cant see the text if you load a replay (i saw Baal's rep to be sure, so funny ^^). Then i tried playing some games and nothing happened except that it minimized bw a couple of times. Also if you close the program while bw is open, bw closes too and vice versa. |
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| Jinsing December 01 2004 15:30. Posts 16 | Profile |
Anyone else tried this programe and think it makes them lag ?
Seems to for me but i'm not sure its the programe, or me. |
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| depriveterran Afghanistan. December 01 2004 16:55. Posts 39 | Profile |
the maphack checking is only for the first 5mins, make it random checking or user control.
i tested with a friend. me penguin he use hack. and told him not to on after 5 mins and after penguin had check for maphack.. then after he went to open hacks, nothing happens the penguin didnt check for the hack anymore.. fix it! |
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| superpenguin France. December 01 2004 17:36. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 01 2004 16:55 depriveterran wrote:
the maphack checking is only for the first 5mins... fix it!
This is a planned option, but the problem your describe is not that much common : first he will have to know you run penguinplug. then he need to restart his SC every game to unload his hack. For a first distributed version of PenguinPlug it's not that bad, of course i wont let it 6 month with a defined timer of 5 minutes but if it's stay like it is for 2 weeks, you will still catch more hackers than you can expect.
I also dont want to make it a spaming tool. imagine if i set it to check every 5 minutes repetedly : in a 8 player games it could make nearly 1 blank message every 30 seconds if all of them have it...
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| Milzo France. December 02 2004 03:02. Posts 655 | Profile |
Ok works great thanks a lot.
If you can i'd really like you to try to include a "replay bugfix" capability, similar to this proggy: http://www.bwhacks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77
Because for now I have to choose if I want to defend against one type of hack or another if I'm correct (both include launchers).
And yeah I have a pretty slow (56k ^^) connection at the moment so I noticed that penguin slows me down quite a bit. But eh i f it doesn't make DSL/cable users it's all good, so few 56k users now.
Again, great work, thanks a lot, the hotkeys thingie will change a lot of things for me I believe. Much <3 |
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 04:39. Posts 199 | Profile |
i will see that latter but i dont have any informations atm about how exactly the replay corruption occurs. It's not a big problem but it just mean i need some time, i have quite many problem that remains to fix before : the 6 and 8 hotkey for unshfted hotkey and the very difficult windows9x incompatibility.
Because for now I have to choose if I want to defend against one type of hack or another if I'm correct (both include launchers).
you can try to use PenguinLauncher just after starcraft and your chatlogger, and it should attach automaticaly to it even if it's already started. However it might not work if the other software you use modify the same memory locations that PenguinPlug is using.
And yeah I have a pretty slow (56k ^^) connection at the moment so I noticed that penguin slows me down quite a bit
It's impossible that PenguinPlug could slow down your connection in a noticable way. Durring the all game, it only send a 9 bytes long message. On the other hand, if your computer has a very slow CPU, then maybe it can slow down a little the game.
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| dt Germany. December 02 2004 05:06. Posts 126 | Profile |
You can run the loader from the replay bugfix after starcraft has been loaded. It will attach to it.
@penguin
Since I already coded the replay bugfix there's no need for you to do it again. I'd especially appreciate if you didnt reverse my program. I put quite much work into it.Last edit: 2004-12-02 05:22:02 |
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| Milzo France. December 02 2004 05:20. Posts 655 | Profile |
Well yeah that's weird, I had tried it both ways before posting and it didn't work and now that I try it again it works flawlessly O_o
Sorry about that but eh maybe it cleared things up for other people as well.
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| fender-pro Estonia. December 02 2004 05:31. Posts 208 | Profile |
Great Job, man!!!
Only bug i found is that i can't put my units together with shift button. Could u fix that? |
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 06:40. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 05:31 fender-pro wrote:
Great Job, man!!!
Only bug i found is that i can't put my units together with shift button. Could u fix that?
You mean if you select 1 unit, keep shift pressed and clic the shift unit, it only select the new one
like if you forgot to press shift ?
I cant reproduct it ? what keyboard layout do you use ? is this bug affecting querty ? please give some details.
btw, i will make unshifted hotkey as an option so if you have querty it means you dont need it, so it would fix your problem. |
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 07:17. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 05:06 dt wrote:
@penguin
Since I already coded the replay bugfix there's no need for you to do it again. I'd especially appreciate if you didnt reverse my program. I put quite much work into it.
@DT :
humorous comment : i guess Drakken would have say the same thing if he knew i was about to look at his maphack
Theres some thing that worry me :
- when cheat-protection is reserved only for those who visit cheating websites
- when a guy that admin a cheating website suggest me not to fix some crash replay issues that can occurs because of a cheating program
Now if someone want to reverse my PenguinPlug to copy the RWT text from a .rep in a .txt file for example, i wouldnt say it's bad. Or if they want to check that my program doesnt contain any backdoor for their own safety, i find it a perfectly legit reason to do that. Now if someone was reversing it to create program to produce fake text that dont get detected with the futur crc code, that would annoy me more. In my oppinion, you should worry more about people how could manage to r-e your code to find a way to disable your protection or expose a way to crash it with some other cheat programs (i'm not saying it's possible)
However, even if you didn't had gave me your opinion about reversing this fix, if i had done it i would have gave you all the credit you deserve for this point. But now if i have to implement it, i will try to code it myself and you will have no reason to say "penguin please dont fix it, and everybody, if you are a legit player that want fair programs, please come to my cheat website".
You sound like microsoft : "no need to make an other opperating system, theres already one"
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| dt Germany. December 02 2004 07:35. Posts 126 | Profile |
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| ggt France. December 02 2004 07:54. Posts 55 | Profile |
is there any way to use it with a no CD ?
thx in advance
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 07:54. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 07:35 dt wrote:
Or do you think all I want is destroying the starcraft community?
i dont know if it's all what you want. But i certainly dont think that a website that is distributing maphack want to help the starcraft community. And as your website contain both fair and cheating programs, so whatever is the noise/signal ratio i will just call that cheating.
But if you reverse mine, you are violating copyright.and stealing my intellectual property.
I dont think that you are in the right position to comment about reversing, you never reversed anything in your life ? (hint: starcraft ?)
if you reverse mine
"enim"
And by the way, this replay issue doesnt occur because of a cheating program.
I already said the first time when someone requested this feature that i didnt had the knowledge of what trigger the bug. So i trusted someone that i probably shouldnt have :
on his chatlogger page, dt wrote:
Replay bugfix
Starcraft has in total three bugs/buffer overrun problems in its replay system. Possible problems are:
* the game freezes when you try to save a replay
* the replay is not played correctly, i.e. from some point on nothing happens
* the game crashes while watching the replay
These problems can be caused by several things:
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* a player using a hack that causes a problem intentionally
* a player using a hack that allows to control large groups of units ("selection hack)
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 08:02. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 07:54 ggt wrote:
is there any way to use it with a no CD ?
thx in advance
ggt, sorry i cant provide you any help for that. There is no special code to prevent "no cd" programs in PenguinPlug but i dont know if it's possible to do it with it and i dont want to know.
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| fender-pro Estonia. December 02 2004 08:04. Posts 208 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 06:40 superpenguin wrote:
You mean if you select 1 unit, keep shift pressed and clic the shift unit, it only select the new one
like if you forgot to press shift ?
I cant reproduct it ? what keyboard layout do you use ? is this bug affecting querty ? please give some details.
Yes, like i forgot to press shift. I have qwerty layout. Let somebody try it and tell us if it (selecting with shift) works for him. For me it doesn't. ;(
btw, i will make unshifted hotkey as an option so if you have querty it means you dont need it, so it would fix your problem.
Ok, thnx!
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| Its a pity this is just coming out now I have so many games I always wished you could have saved the text in replays. But now that it is out I'm going to have lots of fun |
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| anarchyplz December 02 2004 09:24. Posts 100 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 07:35 dt wrote:
Of course you can write your own replay bugfix. But if you reverse mine, you are violating copyright.and stealing my intellectual property. Giving credit doesnt change that fact.
You don't violate copyright with reverseengineering, as for intellectual property... have you patented it? do you both live in the USA? |
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| KillerPenguin United States. December 02 2004 10:34. Posts 365 | Profile |
| I haven't used the program yet but it sounds great. I would like to learn about the programming you did maybe I can help. Can you send me your aim/source to penguin5757@hotmail.com? btw nice name! |
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| lingwu Japan. December 02 2004 10:35. Posts 321 | Profile |
| hey this program is super ! thanks super penguin. just had a game with a hacker and he left with saying '???' when he started killing himself...ahhh priceless.. |
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| dt Germany. December 02 2004 10:38. Posts 126 | Profile |
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| baal December 02 2004 10:45. Posts 10329 | Profile |
| Do the "checking hack" msg HAS to be there?... if not, that way it could be checked randomly and more than once. |
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| lingwu Japan. December 02 2004 10:52. Posts 321 | Profile |
| in the readme file it says only detect 1 type of maphack...does that mean theres other maphack that cannot be detected by this penguinlauncher? |
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 11:11. Posts 199 | Profile |
a fact that I dont like either but simply tolerate and accept like a mature adult.
If you think that you are indirectly responsible for something that is hurtfull and you are almighty on the decision to stop it, like a mature adult you should use your power in a positive way. I think it would be great if you was cleaning your forum a little better, by defining rules that make the difference between a hack and a cheat program, and only accept the fair side. I'm not pretending to give you orders about how to run your forum, but i'm just showing a logic that you can follow if you want.
A cheat is a program that give you an unfair advantage over a legitly playing opponent, do we agree on that ? You can still run a forum that help people to talk and program hacks that are not cheats.
The actual cheater is the person who uses the hack, didnt you know that?
You are making easy to access a lot of things that would be harder to get, and many of them affect negativly the SC communauty. If i go in some school and distribute guns for the 10 years old boys during the break, can i just say "hey but i didnt killed them myself, they did it". And who will go to jail the longest time : the one who distribute 10kg of hard drugs every year or the one who use 100g during this time ?
For the other question, i agree that you answered correctly but about what i just said, i think that either you are not feeling strong enough to make things change, either you are not realy convinced enough of what you are saying.
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| dt Germany. December 02 2004 11:27. Posts 126 | Profile |
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 IntoTheWow Argentina. December 02 2004 11:37. Posts 25193 | Profile Blog |
Of course I'm assuming we're mature adults here that can handle a maphack in a mature way. Do you care if any 10 year olds cheat in their 3vs3 fastest possible games? I dont. Serious and mature players dont hack, even if black sheep wall worked online. Or if they do, it's the player who has to take complete responsibility for his action. I'm not taking that blame.
I cannot wait for someone to quote you and bash you.
You and 'your knowledge' ruin the community, along with the people who use the hacks.
I mean, if you are really into reverse engineering. Go modify a code or whatever but dont put it into a Starcraft website with a link that says 'ROFL GUYS HERES MY LAST BADASS MAPHACK'.
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| anarchyplz December 02 2004 11:41. Posts 100 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 10:38 dt wrote:
You dont need a patent to have a copyright. And I'm talking about morals here. I have spent much time writing that code. If he does copy&paste it, thats stealing. Quite simple.
You think thats ok or what? Somebody writes a program, and you just copy the code and put your name on it?
No, you don't need a patent to have a copyright. You said that he would violate copyright which he wouldn't. And no, I don't think it would be ok to use someone elses code without his or her consent. |
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| ggt France. December 02 2004 11:42. Posts 55 | Profile |
you didnt understand me.
I dont want your program to prevent a no cd.
I use a no cd because i lost my brood cd and i would like to know if i can use ur program with a no cd...
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| superpenguin France. December 02 2004 11:55. Posts 199 | Profile |
Almighty?? Try to find a maphack with google, you will find dozens of other sites before mine.
i will call it the logic : "Other peoples host bad things so i can do the same".
Of course I'm assuming we're mature adults here that can handle a maphack in a mature way. Do you care if any 10 year olds cheat in their 3vs3 fastest possible games?
Humm, yes. I dont see why you should make 2 groups of peoles : those who are allowed to hack and those who arent. It's just a way to escape again... Well, i wont continue this discussion because whatever i say it will allways end up with "but it's not my fault, cheating is bad but i'm good and a lot of people are implied anyway"... I'm quite used with hearing the cheat users making up excuses, and in some way i'm disapointed to hear exactly the same thing from the cheat distributor.
What i suggested was simple : you have a website, forbid cheats but allow other kind of hacks.
lingwu: exactly, it just protect against 1 mh and detect a 2nd under some circonstancies, but it do that for all the player in a game even if they dont have penguinplug.
ggt: i understoood but to say it clearly : i dont know and i wont neither help nor prevent you to use it with a no cd.
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| locutus_of_borg December 02 2004 12:02. Posts 32 | Profile |
@ggt: duh.. why dont u just try it .. geez... its not like your computer is going to blow up...
@dt: how about you reverse engineer all those hack programs you have access to and remap all of the hacker's hotkeys to random keys and change his mouse buttons as well? you'd do greater service to the community and satisfy your own interests as well. maybe if enough people were working on these new breed of anti-hacks, we might actually see hacker population actually start decreasing... |
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| dt Germany. December 02 2004 12:09. Posts 126 | Profile |
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| Shiv France. December 02 2004 12:24. Posts 447 | Profile |
On December 02 2004 12:09 dt wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 02 2004 11:55 superpenguin wrote:
Almighty?? Try to find a maphack with google, you will find dozens of other sites before mine.
i will call it the logic : "Other peoples host bad things so i can do the same".
You're very good in reducing complex problems to simple logic. Or should we say, you live in a dream world? Since your post contained no further arguments, I guess I dont need any more either. Congratulations on wasting my time, by the way.
You're like a drug dealer. You're not helping anyone 'having fun', even if you think you do.
Evil !
Thanx Penguin for your efforts.
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| iCmB France. December 03 2004 01:48. Posts 521 | Profile |
Honestly just the text feature in replays (as WC3 rep) is awesome and the hotkeys unshift would help some (anyways i already resolved the problem by using a swiss keyboard).
And the anti-hack, if it 100% safe and if it occurs only with hackers, it is great as well and will bring some fresh air on SC community.
I have nothin more to add ! Good Job ! Jca... and now you ! what the french programmer community brought to Brood makes me proud !
But in a larger view, with lasgo and all, we have some awesome guys who did a lot for keeping this game alive. Greetings to all.
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| Verbloten Australia. December 03 2004 02:22. Posts 750 | Profile |
| HERE HERE iCmB.. i second all that!! Well said. |
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| baal December 03 2004 02:30. Posts 10329 | Profile |
I dont see why DT isnt banned from this site...
this site is one of the most important BW communities, and you pollute BW, you can spit every pathetic argument you want, and hide between according to you "complex" problem when its so fucking simple...
Ask a drugdealer and he will say, he only sells drugs, its not like he is making ppl buy them, you are pathetic, i hope Eri or other admins sees this and bans your ass from here. |
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| iCmB France. December 03 2004 02:46. Posts 521 | Profile |
| Oh by the way Baal, your replay was awesome ! I never laugh that much in front of my computer ! My gf thought i lost my mind Cheers for the rep |
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| dt Germany. December 03 2004 03:57. Posts 126 | Profile |
Yes its quite simple. I made a helpful program that fixes replay bugs and provided it to the community. Now that deserves a ban...
Why cant we just be friends? Its christmas soon
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| superpenguin France. December 03 2004 05:05. Posts 199 | Profile | |
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| L!MP Australia. December 03 2004 05:07. Posts 2066 | Profile |
OMG at first i thought this program had some errors in it because it was causing people to unally themselves!!! some guy threatened to report me to blizzard for using a hack (lol!) and some guy who wanted to join my clan.. he also unallied himself...
then i read the readme and im so happy because those damn hackers are not going to waste anymore of my time! thanks alot mate! great prog!! |
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| Gigglepants France. December 03 2004 05:10. Posts 352 | Profile |
| French peopel might not be the best at BW, but the french programmers are :D!!!!! |
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| Gigglepants France. December 03 2004 06:22. Posts 352 | Profile |
LOL This is so funny
They are so clueless bahahahaha
"I HACK? YOU HACK TOO!!!" |
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| Cant read or detect chatlog in this replay, thats the message that appears in the readme file, any solutions? |
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| RaGe Belgium. December 03 2004 07:49. Posts 7609 | Profile Blog |
BWChart crashes when it loads the replays here.
is that normal?
EDIT: Just played with ally that uses APMLive,and APMLive freaked out after he got my empty message
EDIT2: He was using BWScanner too.
EDIT3: I saw replay,he attacked himself at first,then attacked me,then sent all his units out of his base?Last edit: 2004-12-03 08:15:49 |
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| yeehaw San Marino. December 03 2004 07:52. Posts 888 | Profile |
| OMG <3 the program! Look at the replay and I laughed till my jaws dropped out. Hope the hackers dont learn |
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| Gigglepants France. December 03 2004 07:55. Posts 352 | Profile |
HAHA
I was playing on east and OrangeTerran was on and made a Gigglename account. We played an inhouse game and after 5 minutes, he started to attack his own units
So unless it was someone else on Orangeterran's name ... yeah..
PM me if you have upload space and i'll send you the replay :D |
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| LazySCV United States. December 03 2004 08:04. Posts 2901 | Profile Blog |
Great program, good job!
I wish you would remove that penquin plug message at start though. When this programs is known, and when we run into hackers, they'll know to leave. |
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| Gigglepants France. December 03 2004 08:37. Posts 352 | Profile |
This is officially the best program i've ever used in my life.
I never knew there were even CLOSE to that many hackers in public games.
I'd say 1/4 of the people in pubs hack. The funny thing is they admit it and ask where to get the program.
Golden program.
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 AirMouse Canada. December 03 2004 08:57. Posts 106 | Profile |
On December 03 2004 07:55 Gigglepants wrote:HAHA I was playing on east and OrangeTerran was on and made a Gigglename account. We played an inhouse game and after 5 minutes, he started to attack his own units So unless it was someone else on Orangeterran's name ... yeah.. PM me if you have upload space and i'll send you the replay :D
Yeah, he hacks, Iv'e always known it. Cool guy tho |
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| LazySCV United States. December 03 2004 10:05. Posts 2901 | Profile Blog |
On December 03 2004 08:42 Catyoul wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 03 2004 08:04 LaZyScV wrote:Great program, good job! I wish you would remove that penquin plug message at start though. When this programs is known, and when we run into hackers, they'll know to leave.
Which message are you talking of ? The 'Penguing Plug bla bla started' is only seen by you. I for one had no "luck" in public games though, tried 4-5 of them, not a single player was using that map hack
Ohhh! Ok, nevermind then. My bad.
Anyways, I don't know if it's really safe to use this program. Doesn't it still count as a hack though? :o |
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| Gigglepants France. December 03 2004 10:25. Posts 352 | Profile |
lol we were pubbing again and the Idontloseyoudo or wahtever team joined and they were like 50-0 and like 40-1 and once I killed one of them - they tried to freeze hack us but only our 3rd teamate got freeze hacked becasue he wasn't using this software so GG -_--;;;
this program for USA president -_-;xx |
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| superpenguin France. December 03 2004 11:41. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 03 2004 10:05 LaZyScV wrote:
Anyways, I don't know if it's really safe to use this program. Doesn't it still count as a hack though? :o
The readme explain that. If you are unsure about if you should use it or not, then dont use it.
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| Gigglepants France. December 03 2004 21:28. Posts 352 | Profile |
Who cares if it counts as a hack? It's not a maphack and it self unallies maphackers, prevents you to get freeze hacked, and saves replays with text!
I still can't get over how awesome this program is. This is 10,000x > BWChart or anything JCA has ever done, but MAD props to JCA <3 |
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| Gigglepants France. December 03 2004 21:31. Posts 352 | Profile |
penguin ta quel age et t'habite ou en france? tes copain avec jca ou quoi x je croi quil habite a paris |
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| superpenguin France. December 04 2004 05:43. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 03 2004 21:31 Gigglepants wrote: (translated quotte)penguin how old are you and where do you live in france ? are you friend of jca x i think he lives in paris
I'm 22 and i live in compiegne the weekends, and but durring the week i study in paris, i have a room in orsay and i'm preparing a master (analyse des systmes stratgiques) at the university of Versailles.
I have never seen JCA IRL. I saw him on battle.net once last year and played 2 games with him but thats all. We didnt discussed about programming.
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| superpenguin France. December 04 2004 06:36. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 04 2004 06:20 SF)CruiseR wrote:
It Corrupts Replays in BWChart; / for me not useful
Please, stop crying about bwchart not beeing able to open a particular replay... i have tested with many and wasnt able to find one that didnt worked. If you have a replay that cant be open with bwchart, please, send it to me... i cant do anything without an example of an unopenable replay.
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| Gigglepants France. December 04 2004 10:31. Posts 352 | Profile |
| Hey penguin, can you PM me your AIM or MSN? |
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| Catyoul France. December 04 2004 11:02. Posts 2092 | Profile |
On December 03 2004 10:05 LaZyScV wrote:
Anyways, I don't know if it's really safe to use this program. Doesn't it still count as a hack though? :o
Any modification is a "hack", including bwscanner and any launcher. The important point is that it's not a "cheat". |
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| wishterran United States. December 04 2004 21:07. Posts 1045 | Profile |
| haha. i tested the anti-hack on 1v1 fastest games for fun, and four out of five people hacked |
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| LetMeBeWithYou Canada. December 04 2004 21:42. Posts 4242 | Profile |
omg!!! Rep with text!!
THANK YOU!!!
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| nullmind Korea (South). December 04 2004 23:17. Posts 1143 | Profile |
On December 03 2004 21:28 Gigglepants wrote:
Who cares if it counts as a hack? It's not a maphack and it self unallies maphackers, prevents you to get freeze hacked, and saves replays with text!
I still can't get over how awesome this program is. This is 10,000x > BWChart or anything JCA has ever done, but MAD props to JCA <3
Why say such a thing? Just praise the guy not degrade JCA's work. If JCA didn't build up the BW related software community, this might not even be out. Everyone who spent his hours programming on his hours to make a small group of people happy, should be praised equally. |
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| Cambium Canada. December 04 2004 23:34. Posts 9999 | Profile Blog |
Is there a way for it to function without the CD?
I didn't bother reading the previous 6 pages -__- |
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| superpenguin France. December 05 2004 02:41. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 04 2004 23:17 nullmind wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 03 2004 21:28 Gigglepants wrote:
Who cares if it counts as a hack? It's not a maphack and it self unallies maphackers, prevents you to get freeze hacked, and saves replays with text!
I still can't get over how awesome this program is. This is 10,000x > BWChart or anything JCA has ever done, but MAD props to JCA <3
Why say such a thing? Just praise the guy not degrade JCA's work. If JCA didn't build up the BW related software community, this might not even be out. Everyone who spent his hours programming on his hours to make a small group of people happy, should be praised equally.
I agree, you can not compare 2 totaly different programs that do 2 different things. BWChart is awsome and have been used by thousands of players (1 milions of hits on his webpage). that deserve some respect. (+ he managed to fix alone the RWT/bwchart incompatibility that appeared in some PenguinPlug replays in less than 1 week, even if it has probably less than 1000 users at the moment )
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| baal December 05 2004 02:51. Posts 10329 | Profile |
Since we are comparing :D...
imho: BWchart > penguin > lasgo
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| fender-pro Estonia. December 05 2004 07:12. Posts 208 | Profile |
On December 05 2004 02:51 baal wrote:
Since we are comparing :D...
I think (i hope) we are not.
Jca, Lasgo, Penguin (sorry if i missed someone) THNX ALOT for ur GREAT JOB!!!! |
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| LetMeBeWithYou Canada. December 05 2004 10:50. Posts 4242 | Profile |
| wow this is also!!!!! I just played some pub korean and after the anti map hack his goons started to attack himself rofl!! and I started saying "Map off" he just left ;D |
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| tec27 United States. December 05 2004 11:21. Posts 1706 | Profile Blog |
| I had a bit of fun last night joining a 3v3 game, and one of the guys hacked and started complaining when his zealots killed each other Then he tried to attack me with DT's, and they killed each other, and he ended up killing himself with a DT because of all of this Thanks! |
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| AirMouse Canada. December 05 2004 12:13. Posts 106 | Profile |
| It's really funny when it happens to your opponent; but, not so funny when it happens to your ally, and you're forced to win 1v2 in pubs :O Keeps happening to me - -; |
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| LetMeBeWithYou Canada. December 05 2004 13:06. Posts 4242 | Profile |
On December 05 2004 12:13 AirMouse wrote:
It's really funny when it happens to your opponent; but, not so funny when it happens to your ally, and you're forced to win 1v2 in pubs :O Keeps happening to me - -;
haha than stop allyin with hackers!! quit pubing11 ;D |
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| racebannon Canada. December 05 2004 14:27. Posts 1225 | Profile |
| I've played 2 games on east so far and haven't found a hacker |
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 pooper-scooper United States. December 05 2004 15:15. Posts 3080 | Profile |
wow that is cool!
you rock! |
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| pooper-scooper United States. December 05 2004 15:21. Posts 3080 | Profile |
On December 04 2004 23:17 nullmind wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 03 2004 21:28 Gigglepants wrote:
Who cares if it counts as a hack? It's not a maphack and it self unallies maphackers, prevents you to get freeze hacked, and saves replays with text!
I still can't get over how awesome this program is. This is 10,000x > BWChart or anything JCA has ever done, but MAD props to JCA <3
Why say such a thing? Just praise the guy not degrade JCA's work. If JCA didn't build up the BW related software community, this might not even be out. Everyone who spent his hours programming on his hours to make a small group of people happy, should be praised equally.
Agreed jCA was a poineer |
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| superpenguin France. December 05 2004 16:30. Posts 199 | Profile |
new test release: for people who might want to test new buggy things that might not work, i released a new test version: http://poinsart.gnux.info/pp/download/test-version-0.2.9/
It might introduce new bugs, but on the positive side, it should fix any bugs i have heard about yet, and provides new features including Windows 9x compatibility
I dont urge anyone to move to this version, the old one contain some annoying bugs but nothing that can realy crash the game in some real bad way. The new one is hummm, new However as usual i will emphasize on the detection method : theres 0% of false positive "self-unally" for legit players, that was true in the old version and that's still true in the new one.
read the new readme in this directory, there is the changelog at the end. I wont add new features to 0.2.9 in the next few days, but if no particular complicated bugs appears, i will release 0.3.0 soon and that one should be almost stable, if you dont want to test too much buggy things then you should wait for this version.
So theres 2 things that are very wellcome : bugreports for this new version, and new ideas for 0.4 (that will take more than a week, as it's getting realy time consumming and i dont want that to conflict with my studies too much). keep in mind that however, not everything is in the same level of simplicity to program, and for example i would rather not beeing asked for "an anticheat that work for 100% of all existing and future cheats" or "RWT that record what your opponent say in 'ac on' to his ally", just because it's impossible.
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| racebannon Canada. December 05 2004 20:47. Posts 1225 | Profile |
oh man the last four games I've played someone shouts out "WTF" and I just shake my head in disappointment.
One guys marines just started slaughtering eachother and the guys teammates went off on him asking why he bothered joining if he wasn't going to play right. |
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| pooper-scooper United States. December 05 2004 20:52. Posts 3080 | Profile |
On December 05 2004 20:47 racebannon wrote:
oh man the last four games I've played someone shouts out "WTF" and I just shake my head in disappointment.
One guys marines just started slaughtering eachother and the guys teammates went off on him asking why he bothered joining if he wasn't going to play right.
lol this sounds fun |
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| tec27 United States. December 05 2004 20:55. Posts 1706 | Profile Blog |
| Oh believe me pooper-scooper, it is |
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| Milzo France. December 06 2004 04:29. Posts 655 | Profile |
Thx for the update superpenguin.
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| RaGe Belgium. December 06 2004 08:19. Posts 7609 | Profile Blog |
| THX JCA For new BWChart version with penguinplug replay comp |
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| karelen Sweden. December 06 2004 08:32. Posts 2314 | Profile |
| wow, cant believe how many people hacks.. penguin has busted at least 10 people in 2-3 hours of random games? |
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| vGl-CoW Belgium. December 06 2004 12:01. Posts 5410 | Profile Blog |
Thanks for the Windows 98 compatible version. :O
Seems to work okay, except it still opens this DOS window. (I don't know for sure but I don't think it's supposed to do this, isn't it supposed to only show the penguin tray icon?)
Now I wanna catch me some hackers, damnit. :D |
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| superpenguin France. December 06 2004 12:17. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 06 2004 12:01 vGl-CoW wrote:
Thanks for the Windows 98 compatible version. :O
Seems to work okay, except it still opens this DOS window. (I don't know for sure but I don't think it's supposed to do this, isn't it supposed to only show the penguin tray icon?)
Now I wanna catch me some hackers, damnit. :D
theres difference between a "dos" and "command line". You can develop win32 programs that use command lines to display message, and it's often very conveniant to program this way. But its true that i should clean all the remaining message system, it's no longger necessary to have them because critical errors have been changed to messagebox.
But in this version the dos box with the 2 lines "loading superpenguin.spl" is totaly normal, on windows xp with a fast computer it close itself automaticaly rather fast so it shouldnt be a big annoyance.
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| Shiv France. December 06 2004 13:18. Posts 447 | Profile |
superpenguin - I've tried your new version, and am definitely having trouble for the unshifted-keyboard feature. Where do we exactly have to type \unshifted on, and/or how to open/modify your dot spl file it it's where it has to be changed?
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| Milzo France. December 06 2004 13:32. Posts 655 | Profile |
| Unless I'm missing something unshifted hotkey doesn't work anymore with the 0.2.9. I haven't tried all hotkeys but 12349 weren't working for me (they were with the previous version). |
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| superpenguin France. December 06 2004 13:40. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 06 2004 13:32 Milzo wrote:
Unless I'm missing something unshifted hotkey doesn't work anymore with the 0.2.9. I haven't tried all hotkeys but 12349 weren't working for me (they were with the previous version).
unshifted hotkey is an option disabled by default because i got some reports from querty keyboard users that it was causing problems with this layout and shift keys to group units.
To enable it, just type "\\unshift on" (note the "\\" character, which is the opposite to typical bnet command that start with "/". it will be saved in the config file, no need to do it for every game.
And dont forget to have a look at the updated readme.txt of the new download directory, it has a changelog and a command list.
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| vGl-CoW Belgium. December 06 2004 13:56. Posts 5410 | Profile Blog |
On December 06 2004 12:17 superpenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 06 2004 12:01 vGl-CoW wrote:
Thanks for the Windows 98 compatible version. :O
Seems to work okay, except it still opens this DOS window. (I don't know for sure but I don't think it's supposed to do this, isn't it supposed to only show the penguin tray icon?)
Now I wanna catch me some hackers, damnit. :D
theres difference between a "dos" and "command line". You can develop win32 programs that use command lines to display message, and it's often very conveniant to program this way. But its true that i should clean all the remaining message system, it's no longger necessary to have them because critical errors have been changed to messagebox. But in this version the dos box with the 2 lines "loading superpenguin.spl" is totaly normal, on windows xp with a fast computer it close itself automaticaly rather fast so it shouldnt be a big annoyance.
Yeah it's okay, I just didn't know whether it was normal or not so I figured I'd let you know.
On my windows 98 comp, it doesn't close automatically though and when I close it by myself, it shuts down my BW too. :O
Just thought that was a bit weird. :D
Excellent program, though. Thanks a lot. |
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| Milzo France. December 06 2004 14:06. Posts 655 | Profile |
Ok thanks penguin, works great. I had read the readme the first time but this time I just took a glance at it and I missed your explanation, sorry about that.
However it states that we should type "\unshifted on" in the readme, which doesn't work. "\unshift on" works great and now all hotkeys are fully functional. Thanks a million. |
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| superpenguin France. December 06 2004 14:44. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 06 2004 14:06 Milzo wrote:
However it states that we should type "\unshifted on" in the readme, which doesn't work
Thanx for noticing that... bugs in the readme are soo much easyer to fix than bug in the source code |
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| racebannon Canada. December 06 2004 15:06. Posts 1225 | Profile | |
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| samaticon Canada. December 06 2004 21:26. Posts 27 | Profile |
this program is sweet, it stops the people who try to use crash hack(make bw window close)
its also funny when the hackers own units start killing each other - great app here
http://www.god-hand.net/replays/haxors/eilte.rep
here is a funny one where they guy repeatedly try to crash bw, then complains that his hax arnt working |
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| comabreaded United States. December 06 2004 23:02. Posts 1818 | Profile Blog |
On December 06 2004 21:26 samaticon wrote:this program is sweet, it stops the people who try to use crash hack(make bw window close) its also funny when the hackers own units start killing each other - great app here http://www.god-hand.net/replays/haxors/eilte.rephere is a funny one where they guy repeatedly try to crash bw, then complains that his hax arnt working
lol 'ur cheat wont work on me noob i have nortan 2005'
hahahaha good one! |
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| Peatza Sweden. December 06 2004 23:17. Posts 393 | Profile |
| This program saves the text, but you still need it again to see the text in replay? |
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| fender-pro Estonia. December 07 2004 02:00. Posts 208 | Profile |
I played a game yesterday against a guy with nickname X_xa. I knew he is a hacker, coz we`ve played before and his units atacked each other. So, when i saw him in join channel i reentered with another name and joined to his game. I just wanted to see if he uses same hack again. As i expected he did used it again. But, if in the first our game he just left it when understood smth is going wrong, in our second game he's dropped and i've got a lose.
My point is: if superpenguin could do somewthing to prevent this drophack it would be just GREATE!!! |
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| superpenguin France. December 07 2004 04:04. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 07 2004 02:00 fender-pro wrote:
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in our second game he's dropped and i've got a lose.
My point is: if superpenguin could do somewthing to prevent this drophack it would be just GREATE!!!
Unfortunately that's impossible. Countering the "crash" hack that allow the cheater to freeze your computer was not hard. but starcraft, like any network game just drop a player if theres anything that goes a little wrong about the game data that is shared bewteen the 2 players. Asking for an anti-drop is like asking for an "anti-pull-the-plug".
However when someone drop, the result will either be "disc-draw" (or "disc-disc" if they are using a synchronization problem), i suggest to avoid playing someone if their disc ratio is more than 15% or higher than their lose %. It's not a perfect solution but no solution can exsists.
Peatza: read the readme please
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| fender-pro Estonia. December 07 2004 08:11. Posts 208 | Profile |
On December 07 2004 04:04 superpenguin wrote:
However when someone drop, the result will either be "disc-draw" (or "disc-disc" if they are using a synchronization problem).
Yes, but i've got a lose after he dropped. Maybe it depends somehow on who will click on "drop player" first? I realy don't know.
Anyway, thnx for explanation man!
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On December 06 2004 23:17 Peatza wrote:
This program saves the text, but you still need it again to see the text in replay?
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Was wondering the exact same thing... |
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| KillerPenguin United States. December 07 2004 09:41. Posts 365 | Profile |
This program is awesome but here are some ideas I have... I don't know how hard it would be to code these or even if some are possible.
When a person tries to crash hack you, send the crash hack back at him.
Send a message, at least to yourself when someone is detected hacking.
When someone is detected hacking send a message with his name and possibly the cd key and date to a website where everyone can view the hackers.
Name spoof detecting.
Option to turn off some or all of replay text.
Maybe get rid of the PenguinPlug line at the beginning and 4 minute mark, gets kind of annoying
Option to check apm after game.
Also I was wondering it seemed like the person who made this maphack put this exploit in it and its not a bug in the game. Why would he do this and how did you know? Thx again and thx for the source, mainly low language older c which I don't know well though, probly won't be much help but i'll look more into it after finals. |
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| superpenguin France. December 07 2004 10:50. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 07 2004 09:41 KillerPenguin wrote:
When a person tries to crash hack you, send the crash hack back at him.
you can be almost sure he will be protected too, so it wont be effective.
Send a message, at least to yourself when someone is detected hacking.
Not easy to analyse, but it would be possible to check the ally status of every players and see if one of them is self-unallyed. I dont know if i will do it because by the time i manage to find a way to do this, less peoples will have the maphack and it will be a little less usefull.
When someone is detected hacking send a message with his name and possibly the cd key and date to a website where everyone can view the hackers.
CDkey ? no way... i dont want to become a CD key center, and even if those were keep just for storage it would not be moraly acceptable for me. Btw, i dont think it's possible, the backdoor has only a limited subset of commands.
Name spoof detecting.
this is planned, but not for the very next release.
Option to turn off some or all of replay text.
there are now command line options to turn off any feature you dont want : text recording, text replaying,
Maybe get rid of the PenguinPlug line at the beginning and 4 minute mark, gets kind of annoying
It's just to provide a minimal amount of feedback to show that penguinplug is running, and what is beeing done... your allys and opponents dont see those messages, unless they have penguinplug too they will be warned of the checks.
Also I was wondering it seemed like the person who made this maphack put this exploit in it and its not a bug in the game. Why would he do this and how did you know?
I have first read an article about it on scgamers, but it wasnt very clear about what maphack was concerned, i thought it was just a not very common version that was affected, or just a trojan that only one guy installed.
After that, playing a few times on battle.net i was freezed in 2 games, the first one i thought it was just a bug, but crashing 2 times when you are just killing someone, it cant be that much a matter of bad-luck. So i serached some infos about this annoyance, and found some quite detailed explaination... I wanted to program a pluggin for lasgo launcher at first, but it wasnt easy to make something running with it, and i didnt wanted to be stuck as soon as blizard will release the next patch. Durring my anti-hacking search for the crash character problem, i found a codebase for an sc related dll from palomino, and that helped quite a bit, it contain basic function to handle recieved messages and to print new ones, and comes with an anti-freeze protection.
After that on the same site i found 2 reports of people complaining "my unit are killing each others", immediately, i thought about entropy article on sg... there was only 1 maphack commonly distributed on this forum so it wasnt hard to guess which one. As i was programming and debugging about it, more reports cames and rumor about a leaked backdoor exploiting tool. About at the same time i found that about 50% of the code in the maphack is dedicated to smash the own starcraft of the maphacker, i didnt knew the exact meaning of each commands but i just had to understand how to generate them and to try them, i discovered the self-unally one quite early, all those messages were quite easy to send and they only required to read 5 lines of asm to understand the way to exploit each features of the backdoor for the most simple ones. To detect what program exploit the backdoor i just check if it's a different message than the unally command, so i could also detect the exploit tool as soon as it was public.
Now why is there this backdoor, i dont know... The guy who programmed it probably wanted to keep the advantage over the other cheaters. If he was good he wouldnt have done that, especialy he would have guessed someone will find it, really it's not a lot less than 50% of all asm lines on this maphack so it's quite impossible to miss. But a cheater or a cheat programmer dont realy care about security for his cheat users. I wont complain about that
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| superpenguin France. December 07 2004 10:53. Posts 199 | Profile |
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| FrinkX United States. December 07 2004 11:24. Posts 948 | Profile |
| My option to connect to battle.net has ceased to exist :O |
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| Peatza Sweden. December 07 2004 11:55. Posts 393 | Profile |
Does this program work with windows 98?
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| KillerPenguin United States. December 07 2004 13:39. Posts 365 | Profile |
lol, that's great. I take it you disassembled his program into assembly code in order to read it. This had to take a lot of work, maybe start a Save the Penguins foundation in support of your efforts.
you can be almost sure he will be protected too, so it wont be effective.
I was afraid of that
i dont want to become a CD key center.
I agree, cd key's would be unneccessary and dangerous at first I thought it would be a good way to link different accounts. I can still picture a webpage that's all black and has hundreds of names of busted hackers on it. |
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| Vietnam_Oi Vietnam. December 07 2004 17:27. Posts 120 | Profile |
On December 07 2004 10:50 superpenguin wrote:
After that on the same site i found 2 reports of people complaining "my unit are killing each others",
does that mean that they have a similar program like yours? |
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| SojT United States. December 07 2004 19:46. Posts 776 | Profile |
| i just found out someone that i kinda admired for their bw skills hacks and it's all my fault |
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| karelen Sweden. December 07 2004 19:50. Posts 2314 | Profile |
On December 07 2004 19:46 SojT wrote:i just found out someone that i kinda admired for their bw skills hacks and it's all my fault
how can it be your fault that someone hacks? |
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| superpenguin France. December 08 2004 14:39. Posts 199 | Profile |
New version released, PenguinPlug v0.3
Tones of bugs have been fixed since 0.2 and it now works with windows 95/98/Me too.
Users of the test version "0.2.9" wont notice a big difference, but at least it gave me some time to test it. I cant make any promise of "bugfree" but it since the 0.2 it has been tested by 1000 people, it is now less "experimental" than before.
Dont forget to read the changelog and FAQ before asking questions
http://ste.gnux.info/pp
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| ssidengi Korea (South). December 08 2004 15:10. Posts 325 | Profile |
does anyone know if this is compatible with HanStar?
if it is... I'm installing HanStar right away
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| superpenguin France. December 08 2004 15:26. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 08 2004 15:10 ssidengi wrote:does anyone know if this is compatible with HanStar? if it is... I'm installing HanStar right away I'll get some friends to obs and comment on plays
I dont know, and i think bwscanner is more widdely used, and is working correctly with PenguinPlug from what i have heard. Is there some reasons to use hanstar instead of bwscanner ? The most annoying thing in my opinion is that the official page is not in english, the only info i can understand about it are on wgtour, but i would rather read what the author wrote himself.
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| dnaxmen Australia. December 09 2004 09:28. Posts 124 | Profile |
| Do all the players involoved in the game have to install the plug-in? if so, it takes to spread it and be accepted by official |
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| Milzo France. December 09 2004 10:27. Posts 655 | Profile |
Yeah the maphackers have to install the plug-in if they want to have their units kill each other ^^
dnaxmen, even if you're only refering to RWT part, the answer is obviously "no" |
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| superpenguin France. December 09 2004 10:28. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 09 2004 09:28 dnaxmen wrote:
Do all the players involoved in the game have to install the plug-in? if so, it takes to spread it and be accepted by official
If you are talking about the anti-hack function of penguinplug : no, it works even if you are the only one in the game to have it, but the drawback is it only detect 1 maphack. |
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| iCmB France. December 10 2004 01:59. Posts 521 | Profile |
On December 09 2004 10:28 superpenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 09 2004 09:28 dnaxmen wrote:
Do all the players involoved in the game have to install the plug-in? if so, it takes to spread it and be accepted by official
If you are talking about the anti-hack function of penguinplug : no, it works even if you are the only one in the game to have it, but the drawback is it only detect 1 maphack.
have you planned to work on a multi anti-hacks pluggin projets, SuperPenguin ? or ... |
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| samaticon Canada. December 10 2004 15:02. Posts 27 | Profile |
| only the ones with backdoors are easy to spot right? |
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| ssidengi Korea (South). December 11 2004 00:52. Posts 325 | Profile |
I was wondering.. is there a way to show which player saved the replay.. by flashing a message at the beginning of the replay?
I mean.. I eventually find out after 5 min. when the anti-check is performed, but I have to keep wondering until that point. |
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| superpenguin France. December 11 2004 07:43. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 11 2004 00:52 ssidengi wrote:
I was wondering.. is there a way to show which player saved the replay.. by flashing a message at the beginning of the replay?
Yes there should be a way if i take the time to code it... the game name and the host name is saved in the replay so it should be possible to read that and i will try to do it some time in the future but probably not soon.
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| Elvin_vn Vietnam. December 11 2004 12:14. Posts 1969 | Profile Blog | |
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| AirMouse Canada. December 11 2004 14:26. Posts 106 | Profile |
| man, so many ppl map hack on asia and useast :O I was obsing 2 koreans I thought were gosu(like 3000-1000 recs) and both of their units started blowing up. So Funny ^_^ ~~ But, they were in total denial about it and banned me from channel |
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| Pob December 12 2004 03:38. Posts 880 | Profile |
| Hi , good program.My question is , is this hack the most popular one around? any idea of the % of hackers that use this specific hack? |
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| DeepInSoul Lithuania. December 12 2004 04:37. Posts 39 | Profile |
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| superpenguin France. December 12 2004 05:41. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 12 2004 03:38 Pob wrote:
Hi , good program.My question is , is this hack the most popular one around? any idea of the % of hackers that use this specific hack?
I would say around 80% of the maphackers use this one for now. It might get a little lower in the future but i think penguinplug will still be efficient for 50% of the maphackers in 3 months. My hope in this figures is that some of them could stop. it's harder to evaluate. |
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| Bartar Greece. December 12 2004 07:00. Posts 68 | Profile |
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On December 11 2004 14:26 AirMouse wrote:
man, so many ppl map hack on asia and useast :O I was obsing 2 koreans I thought were gosu(like 3000-1000 recs) and both of their units started blowing up. So Funny ^_^ ~~ But, they were in total denial about it and banned me from channel
Um yeah they would be, since there's some korean program the hack thing reacts to as well --;; |
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| superpenguin France. December 16 2004 13:12. Posts 199 | Profile |
On December 16 2004 12:03 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 11 2004 14:26 AirMouse wrote:
man, so many ppl map hack on asia and useast :O I was obsing 2 koreans I thought were gosu(like 3000-1000 recs) and both of their units started blowing up. So Funny ^_^ ~~ But, they were in total denial about it and banned me from channel
Um yeah they would be, since there's some korean program the hack thing reacts to as well --;;
I'm not 100% sure i understand your comment and sorry if i'm reacting incorrectly because of that but IF you mean that an non-cheating programs can have the same unally effect because of the penguinplug check then :
1) you didnt read the readme
2) you didnt read the faq
3) you are talking without knowing what you are talking about
4) you contribute to participate to provide lame excuses to cheaters
5) you disinform peoples about how the anti-cheat system is working
6) 1+2+3+4+5 all togather doesnt make you look very intelligent
If wouldnt have released an active (=prevents / as opposed to passive=warn) if it hadnt 0% of false positive (READ README). If a false postitive would have been possible in case of a passive anti-cheat system, i would have warned peoples about it in a very clear way.
It's like if someone select the enemy nexus after 3 seconds in the game, you accuse him with the bwchart proof and say "but that's because i'm using bwscanner, it made me select that, bwchart detected bwscanner as a hack".
Sorry if i degenerate in agressivity when saying that, but i was very very polite the 1st time i answered this. now it's almost 15 times on various forums, and 10 times on battle.net.
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| IntoTheWow Argentina. December 16 2004 13:33. Posts 25193 | Profile Blog |
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| Shiv France. December 16 2004 13:39. Posts 447 | Profile |
On December 16 2004 13:33 IntoTheWow wrote:I think he told us that story as a funny thing not to despect your program
penguin was obviously talking to FrozenArbiter
By the way penguin you didn't answer to iCmB's question about your future plans... ?Last edit: 2004-12-16 13:41:19 |
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| Verbloten Australia. December 16 2004 14:12. Posts 750 | Profile |
| i got a strange message in a game last night. I was from penguin plug and said something about "detecting" something or other... I pengied the game so i could find out exactly what it is - but without bothering with that for now - can u tell me what it most likely was and what it meant? |
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| Nal_Testie Canada. December 16 2004 14:41. Posts 1257 | Profile |
SuperPenguin, do not despair. Everything must be checked, and questioned. And please keep improving this program. It has provided me with one of the funniest replays I ever saw and nearly brought me to tears, thanks to Zia. ;-)
It is very funny to see those who condemned me in the past and said, "I have never hacked." start attacking their own units.
I noted though on the site that it said it only caught one type. =(
If you can improve it so that it catches the majority of hack programs, we are forever in your debt.
Keep up the fantastic work. And a merry christmas for all. ;-)
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 Hot77.iEy Finland. December 16 2004 15:02. Posts 1463 | Profile Blog |
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| n00bsaibot United States. December 16 2004 17:05. Posts 1070 | Profile |
| the anti-cheat really needs to be command driven rather than automatic. I would love nothing more than after 30 minutes of fighting an obvious hacker, to laugh in his face as he owns his entire precious base that he hacked so hard for. |
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| Catyoul France. December 16 2004 17:17. Posts 2092 | Profile |
On December 16 2004 14:41 Nal_Testie wrote:
I noted though on the site that it said it only caught one type. =(
If you can improve it so that it catches the majority of hack programs, we are forever in your debt.
It's because the writer of that specific maphack included a backdoor in it to trigger the remote unally, there's little chance for something like that to exist in other map hacks (closest would be exploitable buffer overflows in some other map hacks, but again I doubt there would be any)Last edit: 2004-12-16 17:18:07 |
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| FrozenArbiter Sweden. December 16 2004 17:26. Posts 26836 | Profile Blog |
On December 16 2004 13:12 superpenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 16 2004 12:03 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On December 11 2004 14:26 AirMouse wrote:
man, so many ppl map hack on asia and useast :O I was obsing 2 koreans I thought were gosu(like 3000-1000 recs) and both of their units started blowing up. So Funny ^_^ ~~ But, they were in total denial about it and banned me from channel
Um yeah they would be, since there's some korean program the hack thing reacts to as well --;;
I'm not 100% sure i understand your comment and sorry if i'm reacting incorrectly because of that but IF you mean that an non-cheating programs can have the same unally effect because of the penguinplug check then : 1) you didnt read the readme 2) you didnt read the faq 3) you are talking without knowing what you are talking about 4) you contribute to participate to provide lame excuses to cheaters 5) you disinform peoples about how the anti-cheat system is working 6) 1+2+3+4+5 all togather doesnt make you look very intelligent If wouldnt have released an active (=prevents / as opposed to passive=warn) if it hadnt 0% of false positive (READ README ). If a false postitive would have been possible in case of a passive anti-cheat system, i would have warned peoples about it in a very clear way. It's like if someone select the enemy nexus after 3 seconds in the game, you accuse him with the bwchart proof and say "but that's because i'm using bwscanner, it made me select that, bwchart detected bwscanner as a hack". Sorry if i degenerate in agressivity when saying that, but i was very very polite the 1st time i answered this. now it's almost 15 times on various forums, and 10 times on battle.net.
Uhm okay, this is something I was told by someone.. I'm fairly certain that when TravelToAiur released his bwscanner he wasn't expecting the bug that used to occur when your system is set to korean... This may be totally different though, and I know nothing about programing, I was just told this by someone I trust o_O
Didn't mean any offense.. I wasn't questioning wether it actually catches hackers but wether or not there's some rare bugs :o |
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| Verbloten Australia. December 16 2004 17:57. Posts 750 | Profile |
On December 16 2004 17:05 n00bsaibot wrote:
the anti-cheat really needs to be command driven rather than automatic. I would love nothing more than after 30 minutes of fighting an obvious hacker, to laugh in his face as he owns his entire precious base that he hacked so hard for.
Dude you like everyone should read the readme!! My mates and i set our check time to 15 minutes for this exact reason. However if we are getting owned we will force a check straightaway!
when in the game, Press Enter (ie; Msg) and type in "\\checktime 15" this will set the checktime to 15 minutes from the default 5(or whatever it is).
Also type "\\checknow" to force a check straightaway.
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| n00bsaibot United States. December 26 2004 11:07. Posts 1070 | Profile |
| is there a hotkey in starcraft or known bug in PP that will cause your minimap to go black? Because im pretty sure this just happened to me the moment it sent the anti-cheat message. Which really ruined my fuckin game since playing with an all black minimap with no terrain is kinda gay. |
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| SojT United States. December 26 2004 11:22. Posts 776 | Profile |
On December 16 2004 17:57 Verbloten wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 16 2004 17:05 n00bsaibot wrote:
the anti-cheat really needs to be command driven rather than automatic. I would love nothing more than after 30 minutes of fighting an obvious hacker, to laugh in his face as he owns his entire precious base that he hacked so hard for.
Dude you like everyone should read the readme!! My mates and i set our check time to 15 minutes for this exact reason. However if we are getting owned we will force a check straightaway! when in the game, Press Enter (ie; Msg) and type in "\\checktime 15" this will set the checktime to 15 minutes from the default 5(or whatever it is). Also type "\\checknow" to force a check straightaway.
it would be cool if you could change it from settime to a button that you could push @ anytime and it would check
that way if it's 10 min in the game you could just push the auto-win button
unless they don't hack...then you're just screwed... that's why it should msg you 5 min in the game and say "hack detected from user asdfname" .
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| pheer December 26 2004 11:23. Posts 2279 | Profile Blog |
On December 26 2004 11:07 n00bsaibot wrote:
is there a hotkey in starcraft or known bug in PP that will cause your minimap to go black? Because im pretty sure this just happened to me the moment it sent the anti-cheat message. Which really ruined my fuckin game since playing with an all black minimap with no terrain is kinda gay.
Press TAB? |
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| n00bsaibot United States. December 26 2004 11:43. Posts 1070 | Profile | |
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| IntoTheWow Argentina. December 26 2004 12:44. Posts 25193 | Profile Blog |
| Hahahah i was about to say the same thing :D |
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| Empyrean Noobville. December 26 2004 14:08. Posts 6743 | Profile Blog |
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| Night2o1 December 28 2004 17:05. Posts 315 | Profile |
| this thing saved me from being crashed today =) thanks! |
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| 1024MB United States. December 28 2004 17:11. Posts 1455 | Profile |
To people who've used this:
Is it worth it? Does it mess with any SC files/registry entries? I don't really want to screw up my installation and have to reinstall SC or anything. Thanks. |
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| yare December 28 2004 17:13. Posts 496 | Profile Blog |
| it's big help. sucks in pub 2v2 to see ur ally turn on himself tho t.t |
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| Ebenol Sweden. December 28 2004 17:28. Posts 1981 | Profile |
On December 28 2004 17:11 1024MB wrote:
To people who've used this:
Is it worth it? Does it mess with any SC files/registry entries? I don't really want to screw up my installation and have to reinstall SC or anything. Thanks.
Plenty of people still use the maphack with backdoors. I tested it against pubs today, out of 20 games, 8 people killed themselves, which was a bit of a surprise as I had no idea before the anti hack check. |
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| n00bsaibot United States. December 28 2004 18:18. Posts 1070 | Profile |
On December 28 2004 17:11 1024MB wrote:
To people who've used this:
Is it worth it? Does it mess with any SC files/registry entries? I don't really want to screw up my installation and have to reinstall SC or anything. Thanks.
No, it injects itself into the running exe in ram only, and is wiped out the moment starcraft is closed or your computer is turned off. Its invisible as far as youre concerned while playing, after you launch it youll never have to do anything or even notice its on. Its definately not foolproof though, i already had one person move his goons to catch a dropship without obs or vision, verified via replay. Meaning the hack they use has already been patched, or there are other public maphacks without the backdoor which the anti-cheat catches. |
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| superpenguin France. December 28 2004 18:35. Posts 199 | Profile |
No, it injects itself into the running exe in ram only, and is wiped out the moment starcraft is closed or your computer is turned off.
100% correct. it doesnt overwrite any existing starcraft files. There is no "install" you just need to copy the files and if you dont run penguinlauncher.exe everytime you load starcraft, then your sc will still work and it will be exactly as if penguinplug was not installed.
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| karelen Sweden. December 28 2004 19:04. Posts 2314 | Profile |
On December 28 2004 18:18 n00bsaibot wrote:
Its definately not foolproof though, i already had one person move his goons to catch a dropship without obs or vision, verified via replay. Meaning the hack they use has already been patched, or there are other public maphacks without the backdoor which the anti-cheat catches.
you know.. he might have had <gasp> some luck (!!??) when moving his goons.. these things happen you know, dont blame everything on hacking. or did you mean he attack clicked on the dropship without vision? |
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| n00bsaibot United States. December 28 2004 19:12. Posts 1070 | Profile |
| LT, TvP, he was 12, i was 3. I went for a quick 2 tank dropship harass. He had his goons waiting near my choke the whole time. The moment i loaded up my dropship and began flying north, his goons raced raced to the top of his base. I really doubt it was luck considering it happened on cue. He had also tried to cheese me with cannons at my ramp and zealots, and you know the attitude of cheesers. |
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| HiFi United States. December 28 2004 22:15. Posts 501 | Profile |
| just tried the program, love its save text thing, NEAT! too bad all other replays played w/o this little program doesn't show text. |
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