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| Dodgin Canada. May 24 2012 17:47. Posts 25032 | Profile # |
| Mvp is going to be on Off the Record tomorrow, ( Thursday NA, Friday EU/KR ) it airs at 13:00 KST. Last edit: 2012-05-24 17:58:38 |
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| xAshCanaaNx Philippines. May 24 2012 20:18. Posts 141 | Profile # |
| im definitely in here sign me up! |
| | | There will be an answer, let it be. | Mvp | Innovation | Life | Parting | (: Eva Marie :) | |
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| SmoKim Denmark. May 24 2012 20:36. Posts 8203 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 06:21 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 19:56 Aunvilgod wrote:
On May 23 2012 16:46 Dodgin wrote:
It's hard to say yes or no because there are no predefined terms for being a bonjwa, when the fans decide a player is one is when it happens. Some people say after he won that he is, some people say no.
It's not important really, the term doesn't have to carry over from Brood War. All that matters is that he is the most accomplished Starcraft 2 player of all time in terms of championships and prize money earned, it doesn't need a fancy title.
Part of being a bonjwa is the elo point ranking though. Mvp consistently has the most points in the GSL, he was at the top since 2011.
Being a bonjwa is not just being at the top consistently. It's being an absolute monster over a period of time to the point where other progamers cry if they have to play you. Jaedong is not a bonjwa, why? The guy was never dominant enough. He fought in an era where Bisu and Flash were just as good as he was. Now take a look at savior, the original bonjwa. In his era, particularly 2006, the guy had something like an 80% win rate. He had no equals, only victims. Imagine every single game he was in being a forgone conclusion for over a year. EVERY SINGLE GAME/SERIES you knew he was gonna win, why even bother watching right? Savior came before my time, but I've had a friend put it in perspective for me. Just imagine Nestea back when he was unstoppable zvz, when every zvz of his you knew was gonna be an auto win for him. Now multiply that aura by 3, and add it to his zvt and zvp as well, that's saviors dominance. While jaedong has surpassed savior in everyway possible, in every stat possible, he has not surpassed that aura of dominance. Mvp, while being the best in sc2 history so far, has not had that aura of "shit...well this games over" half a year before that game is even played. mvp is my favorite sc2 player by far, but he's not a bonjwa, he's simply the best player in sc2. Simple answer is...you will know when mvp is a bonjwa when you don't have to ask whether you can call him one or not. When he develops that aura you will know.
This is easily the best description of "Bonjwa" i've read on TL so far. Hell it could be a "sticky" in itself. Now i know were to refer to when the subject comes up (let's be honest, it will always be a dicussion-issue) Thank you for the informative post rysecake  |
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| Tauscond United States. May 25 2012 01:31. Posts 139 | Profile # |
| Maybe we should "invent" a new word for SC2 players |
| | Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP |
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| shadowy Bulgaria. May 25 2012 02:36. Posts 302 | Profile Blog # |
Sign me up, please.
I have always been kinda reserved towards Terrans, but MVP won me long time ago. His game understanding is match to no one. |
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| bittman Australia. May 25 2012 09:02. Posts 7270 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 01:31 Tauscond wrote:
Maybe we should "invent" a new word for SC2 players
Meh. You can invent words, or we can just call MVP the best player in sc2 history thus far.
Lots of words there unfortunately. Can also call him reigning Blizzcon champ, reigning WCG champ, 4 time GSL champ, highest money earner, best player of 2011, etc.
Or, as people have said, he can just be his namesake.
MVP: the MVP. |
| | Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC || LG-IM - MVP - FXO |
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| Dodgin Canada. May 25 2012 09:03. Posts 25032 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 09:02 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:31 Tauscond wrote:
Maybe we should "invent" a new word for SC2 players
Meh. You can invent words, or we can just call MVP the best player in sc2 history thus far. Lots of words there unfortunately. Can also call him reigning Blizzcon champ, reigning WCG champ, 4 time GSL champ, highest money earner, best player of 2011, etc. Or, as people have said, he can just be his namesake. MVP: the MVP.
I prefer King Mvp, that's what he wants to be called. His team even made that banner " return of the king " for the finals. |
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| fer Canada. May 25 2012 09:07. Posts 364 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 06:21 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 19:56 Aunvilgod wrote:
On May 23 2012 16:46 Dodgin wrote:
It's hard to say yes or no because there are no predefined terms for being a bonjwa, when the fans decide a player is one is when it happens. Some people say after he won that he is, some people say no.
It's not important really, the term doesn't have to carry over from Brood War. All that matters is that he is the most accomplished Starcraft 2 player of all time in terms of championships and prize money earned, it doesn't need a fancy title.
Part of being a bonjwa is the elo point ranking though. Mvp consistently has the most points in the GSL, he was at the top since 2011.
Being a bonjwa is not just being at the top consistently. It's being an absolute monster over a period of time to the point where other progamers cry if they have to play you. Jaedong is not a bonjwa, why? The guy was never dominant enough. He fought in an era where Bisu and Flash were just as good as he was. Now take a look at savior, the original bonjwa. In his era, particularly 2006, the guy had something like an 80% win rate. He had no equals, only victims. Imagine every single game he was in being a forgone conclusion for over a year. EVERY SINGLE GAME/SERIES you knew he was gonna win, why even bother watching right? Savior came before my time, but I've had a friend put it in perspective for me. Just imagine Nestea back when he was unstoppable zvz, when every zvz of his you knew was gonna be an auto win for him. Now multiply that aura by 3, and add it to his zvt and zvp as well, that's saviors dominance. While jaedong has surpassed savior in everyway possible, in every stat possible, he has not surpassed that aura of dominance. Mvp, while being the best in sc2 history so far, has not had that aura of "shit...well this games over" half a year before that game is even played. mvp is my favorite sc2 player by far, but he's not a bonjwa, he's simply the best player in sc2. Simple answer is...you will know when mvp is a bonjwa when you don't have to ask whether you can call him one or not. When he develops that aura you will know.
I never ask before I call him bonjwa. |
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| rysecake United States. May 25 2012 10:12. Posts 2478 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 09:07 fer wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 06:21 rysecake wrote:
On May 23 2012 19:56 Aunvilgod wrote:
On May 23 2012 16:46 Dodgin wrote:
It's hard to say yes or no because there are no predefined terms for being a bonjwa, when the fans decide a player is one is when it happens. Some people say after he won that he is, some people say no.
It's not important really, the term doesn't have to carry over from Brood War. All that matters is that he is the most accomplished Starcraft 2 player of all time in terms of championships and prize money earned, it doesn't need a fancy title.
Part of being a bonjwa is the elo point ranking though. Mvp consistently has the most points in the GSL, he was at the top since 2011.
Being a bonjwa is not just being at the top consistently. It's being an absolute monster over a period of time to the point where other progamers cry if they have to play you. Jaedong is not a bonjwa, why? The guy was never dominant enough. He fought in an era where Bisu and Flash were just as good as he was. Now take a look at savior, the original bonjwa. In his era, particularly 2006, the guy had something like an 80% win rate. He had no equals, only victims. Imagine every single game he was in being a forgone conclusion for over a year. EVERY SINGLE GAME/SERIES you knew he was gonna win, why even bother watching right? Savior came before my time, but I've had a friend put it in perspective for me. Just imagine Nestea back when he was unstoppable zvz, when every zvz of his you knew was gonna be an auto win for him. Now multiply that aura by 3, and add it to his zvt and zvp as well, that's saviors dominance. While jaedong has surpassed savior in everyway possible, in every stat possible, he has not surpassed that aura of dominance. Mvp, while being the best in sc2 history so far, has not had that aura of "shit...well this games over" half a year before that game is even played. mvp is my favorite sc2 player by far, but he's not a bonjwa, he's simply the best player in sc2. Simple answer is...you will know when mvp is a bonjwa when you don't have to ask whether you can call him one or not. When he develops that aura you will know.
I never ask before I call him bonjwa.
Well then he can be a bonjwa for you =) |
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| S_SienZ May 25 2012 14:35. Posts 1795 | Profile # |
Such a badass.
First progamer ever to win a 1v2 on GSL OTR !!! |
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| Dodgin Canada. May 25 2012 14:37. Posts 25032 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 14:35 S_SienZ wrote:
Such a badass.
First progamer ever to win a 1v2 on GSL OTR !!!
Mvp setting records in GSL trophies and GOM shows!
For anyone who missed it, the VOD will be free to watch in 3 days. If you have a premium subscription to GOM you can watch it right away. |
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| S8on United States. May 25 2012 17:30. Posts 11 | Profile # |
Love his name being "IMMVP", and he truly is the MVP
sign me up
btw
On May 24 2012 12:59 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 12:00 zyzq wrote:
I facepalm every time the word 'bonjwa' is brought up because no Korean uses that term anymore, so stop using it, it just makes Mvp and his fanbase look bad.
Can we just refer to him as being the GOAT? lol
MJ is not pleased
I lol'd
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| McFeser United States. May 26 2012 05:13. Posts 2451 | Profile # |
| I was really impressed that MVP apparently only offraces when he plays ladder and is still highly ranked (I don't know who he has beaten on ladder, but he said that is former Woongjin teammates have never beaten him). |
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 ZeroSC2 Korea (South). May 26 2012 06:59. Posts 668 | Profile # |
The Terran King in SC2~
5th Title incoming.
What you gonna do, Flash?Last edit: 2012-05-26 07:01:08 |
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| Popkiller May 26 2012 07:26. Posts 1049 | Profile # |
| damn. GSL Ro32 is the 11th... I wish MVP could come to Anaheim. |
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| redviper Pakistan. May 26 2012 07:28. Posts 1835 | Profile # |
On May 26 2012 07:26 Popkiller wrote:
damn. GSL Ro32 is the 11th... I wish MVP could come to Anaheim.
Might not be good for him. He needs to really rest and practice on a schedule that lets him heal his wrists.
edit: I am sad that MVP's blood type is A. Now I can never donate blood to him  Last edit: 2012-05-26 07:30:05 |
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| rysecake United States. May 26 2012 07:35. Posts 2478 | Profile # |
On May 26 2012 06:59 ZeroSC2 wrote:
The Terran King in SC2~
5th Title incoming.
What you gonna do, Flash?
From the unimpressed flash meme thread in bw section. I found it hilarious haha
http://i.imgur.com/wj1oo.jpg |
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| zyzq United States. May 26 2012 07:41. Posts 3019 | Profile # |
On May 26 2012 07:28 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 07:26 Popkiller wrote:
damn. GSL Ro32 is the 11th... I wish MVP could come to Anaheim.
Might not be good for him. He needs to really rest and practice on a schedule that lets him heal his wrists. edit: I am sad that MVP's blood type is A. Now I can never donate blood to him
He said he will go to any tournament that invites him. And take their money.  |
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| Ace1123 Philippines. May 26 2012 07:53. Posts 1118 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 14:37 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 14:35 S_SienZ wrote:
Such a badass.
First progamer ever to win a 1v2 on GSL OTR !!!
Mvp setting records in GSL trophies and GOM shows! For anyone who missed it, the VOD will be free to watch in 3 days. If you have a premium subscription to GOM you can watch it right away.
Mvp So Good! Also the one where He had no KB and at 90% Handicap. But I think if it was a masters player he could lose |
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| `dunedain May 26 2012 09:32. Posts 450 | Profile # |
Just rewatched the finals vods.
Mvp really is the Final Boss!
Sooo so so good.
Hopefully he takes some time to get his discs fixed.
Gogogo Mvp, champion of Starcraft 2! |
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