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| acker United States. April 24 2011 17:01. Posts 2183 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 16:59 LwReisen wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 16:56 tdt wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:51 LwReisen wrote:Eh, I consider Kas to be better than ThorZaiN. MC's hot streak has come to an end I feel. + Show Spoiler +He got smoked by Ret in NASL as well.
MC winning two tournaments and about $25,000 in two weeks is not exactly cold streak.
I said his hot streak has come to an end Nothing about a cold streak was even implied
Meh, need more LAN events to confirm.Last edit: 2011-04-24 17:01:52 |
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| MrCon France. April 24 2011 17:01. Posts 20337 | Profile # |
I remember after the TSL qualification tournaments, all the complaints about thorzain, kas, hasuobs, naniwa, adelscott and cruncher. Who are these guys ? They'll be destroyed, the tournament will be terrible with these unknown noobs !
This is a good lesson toi have, earning a spot by defeating a 1024 players field is being legit good. The haters fail again. |
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| Wargizmo Australia. April 24 2011 17:05. Posts 1235 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 16:51 LwReisen wrote:Eh, I consider Kas to be better than ThorZaiN. MC's hot streak has come to an end I feel. + Show Spoiler +He got smoked by Ret in NASL as well.
Well...
+ Show Spoiler +
MC 4-0'd Kas in the copenhagen finals.... If the latest results say anything it's that anyone can beat anyone by any margin on any given day. MC is still damn good, just not invincible.
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| Talin Montenegro. April 24 2011 17:06. Posts 8170 | Profile Blog # |
On April 24 2011 16:34 LwReisen wrote:
Does anybody else feel that? That's sc dominance switching from KR to Europe..............
You're blowing things way out of proportion, just like what people were doing (in the opposite direction) after IEM. TSL is pretty much the only tournament where so many top Korean players got knocked out, and most of them got beaten because they failed to adapt to playing under high latency.
On the other hand, people have to realize that winning a lot in these early stages of the game doesn't make MC "God Protoss". He isn't really a top RTS player at all, he's nowhere close. For that reason alone, I'm glad he started losing more, because there's nothing worse for an e-sport than having a player who isn't that good dominate the scene for too long.Last edit: 2011-04-24 17:12:41 |
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| Wargizmo Australia. April 24 2011 17:07. Posts 1235 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 17:01 MrCon wrote:
I remember after the TSL qualification tournaments, all the complaints about thorzain, kas, hasuobs, naniwa, adelscott and cruncher. Who are these guys ? They'll be destroyed, the tournament will be terrible with these unknown noobs !
This is a good lesson toi have, earning a spot by defeating a 1024 players field is being legit good. The haters fail again.
Yep, and it's looking likely that all 4 semi finalists will be TL open winners. Boxer is the only non-TL open winner still left in the tournament, an amazing feat. |
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| MrCon France. April 24 2011 17:10. Posts 20337 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 17:06 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 16:34 LwReisen wrote:
Does anybody else feel that? That's sc dominance switching from KR to Europe..............
You're blowing things way out of proportion, just like what people were doing (in the opposite direction) after IEM. TSL is pretty much the only tournament where so many top Korean players got knocked out, and most of them got beaten because they failed to adapt to playing under high latency.
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 dunc Netherlands. April 24 2011 17:15. Posts 1105 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 17:05 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 16:51 LwReisen wrote:Eh, I consider Kas to be better than ThorZaiN. MC's hot streak has come to an end I feel. + Show Spoiler +He got smoked by Ret in NASL as well.
Well... + Show Spoiler +
MC 4-0'd Kas in the copenhagen finals.... If the latest results say anything it's that anyone can beat anyone by any margin on any given day. MC is still damn good, just not invincible.
People are good and bad at certain matchups.
Look at Thorzain, he is not a better player overall, he just has an amazing TvP while MC's PvT lacks. Whereas Kas is a much better allround player, his TvP wasn't good enough to beat MC. |
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| pyro19 April 24 2011 17:24. Posts 2667 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 17:15 dunc wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 17:05 Wargizmo wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:51 LwReisen wrote:Eh, I consider Kas to be better than ThorZaiN. MC's hot streak has come to an end I feel. + Show Spoiler +He got smoked by Ret in NASL as well.
Well... + Show Spoiler +
MC 4-0'd Kas in the copenhagen finals.... If the latest results say anything it's that anyone can beat anyone by any margin on any given day. MC is still damn good, just not invincible.
People are good and bad at certain matchups. Look at Thorzain, he is not a better player overall, he just has an amazing TvP while MC's PvT lacks. Whereas Kas is a much better allround player, his TvP wasn't good enough to beat MC.
It"s funny how MC used to have a 95% Record against Terran when he won his first GSL. |
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| Ciubhran Sweden. April 24 2011 17:31. Posts 96 | Profile # |
Kas' strength is TvT, whereas it is Thorzain's weakness...
Even though it saddens me to say it, I do not believe Thorzain will come out victorious from that match  |
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| Trowa127 United Kingdom. April 24 2011 17:31. Posts 1158 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 16:52 LwReisen wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 16:50 Reasonable wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:34 LwReisen wrote:
<troll>
wc3 players up
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But seriously, KAS is amazing and Thorzain took out the best protoss in the world.
Does anybody else feel that? That's sc dominance switching from KR to Europe..............
It's not a dominance switch, its more of a catch up. MC is probably on drinking bout after losing so badly to both picks in GSL I've also noticed that Koreans don't take other tournaments seriously during GSLs. In fact, I doubt coaches train their players to play at non-Korean tournaments, it's probably mostly taken as practice.
Well then that's their problem isn't it; arrogance. When foreigners start dominating Code S/A (it WILL happen), maybe then they'll take it seriously.
Why are people like you allowed to post on TL? There has been no indication that foreigners 'WILL' dominate Code S or even A. They got some wins in the GSTL where there was no prize money, then got absolutely handled in the individual stages when money came into it.
MC lost a series, but 4 - 0'd Kas - these things happen. He can't prepare for every single match up considering he plays in so many tournaments, so stop making bs statements that aren't back up with facts. |
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| freetgy April 24 2011 17:43. Posts 1586 | Profile # |
"shouldn't" mech suck against Protoss? 
Thorzain my favorite Terran by far, just for his creativity and metagame changing potential.Last edit: 2011-04-24 17:46:54 |
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| nam nam Sweden. April 24 2011 18:00. Posts 4537 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 17:31 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 16:52 LwReisen wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:50 Reasonable wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:34 LwReisen wrote:
<troll>
wc3 players up
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But seriously, KAS is amazing and Thorzain took out the best protoss in the world.
Does anybody else feel that? That's sc dominance switching from KR to Europe..............
It's not a dominance switch, its more of a catch up. MC is probably on drinking bout after losing so badly to both picks in GSL I've also noticed that Koreans don't take other tournaments seriously during GSLs. In fact, I doubt coaches train their players to play at non-Korean tournaments, it's probably mostly taken as practice.
Well then that's their problem isn't it; arrogance. When foreigners start dominating Code S/A (it WILL happen), maybe then they'll take it seriously.
Why are people like you allowed to post on TL? There has been no indication that foreigners 'WILL' dominate Code S or even A. They got some wins in the GSTL where there was no prize money, then got absolutely handled in the individual stages when money came into it. MC lost a series, but 4 - 0'd Kas - these things happen. He can't prepare for every single match up considering he plays in so many tournaments, so stop making bs statements that aren't back up with facts.
Considering he had weeks to prepare for Thorzain and hours for Kas, I don't see how his lack of preparation had anything to do with the results. If anything he benefited by Kas not having weeks to prepare for him.
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| Niruz Sweden. April 24 2011 18:00. Posts 169 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 07:35 MechKing wrote:
MC didn't play like the usual MC. He didn't do any kind of 6 warpgate play at all, he only went voids in 1 game. He kept doing weird builds where he would get like every kind of tech within 10 minutes but no upgrades. It just didn't seem like his usual stuff. On the other hand, ThorZaIN did play great today. Good macro, good micro and good strategies, just overall very solid. I think though, if MC played his usual, super aggressive play I think he would've been better off.
To me it felt like after the world gsl tour when every foreigner said protoss in korea only knows how to 4gate he tried to switch it up, but since hes almost never played a normal game he forgot essential things like macro and upgrades |
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| Trowa127 United Kingdom. April 24 2011 18:03. Posts 1158 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 18:00 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 17:31 Trowa127 wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:52 LwReisen wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:50 Reasonable wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:34 LwReisen wrote:
<troll>
wc3 players up
</troll>
But seriously, KAS is amazing and Thorzain took out the best protoss in the world.
Does anybody else feel that? That's sc dominance switching from KR to Europe..............
It's not a dominance switch, its more of a catch up. MC is probably on drinking bout after losing so badly to both picks in GSL I've also noticed that Koreans don't take other tournaments seriously during GSLs. In fact, I doubt coaches train their players to play at non-Korean tournaments, it's probably mostly taken as practice.
Well then that's their problem isn't it; arrogance. When foreigners start dominating Code S/A (it WILL happen), maybe then they'll take it seriously.
Why are people like you allowed to post on TL? There has been no indication that foreigners 'WILL' dominate Code S or even A. They got some wins in the GSTL where there was no prize money, then got absolutely handled in the individual stages when money came into it. MC lost a series, but 4 - 0'd Kas - these things happen. He can't prepare for every single match up considering he plays in so many tournaments, so stop making bs statements that aren't back up with facts.
Considering he had weeks to prepare for Thorzain and hours for Kas, I don't see how his lack of preparation had anything to do with the results. If anything he benefited by Kas not having weeks to prepare for him.
Yes but which other torunaments has Thorzain been playing in this time? MC's schedule is crazy, he can't possible prepare for every single match up.
To be clear here, I think Thorzain is great and deserved his win - but people seem to be forgetting just how much MC has won recently, a few losses doesn't mean that 'foreigners' are suddenly going to ship out to korea and destroy the gsl.
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| Niruz Sweden. April 24 2011 18:04. Posts 169 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him.
You do realise that sweden and denmark are virtually the same country with in some cases the same internet supplier, it would be exactly like playing on battle.net with your buddy who lives next door |
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| tdt United States. April 24 2011 18:05. Posts 3096 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 17:24 pyro19 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 17:15 dunc wrote:
On April 24 2011 17:05 Wargizmo wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:51 LwReisen wrote:Eh, I consider Kas to be better than ThorZaiN. MC's hot streak has come to an end I feel. + Show Spoiler +He got smoked by Ret in NASL as well.
Well... + Show Spoiler +
MC 4-0'd Kas in the copenhagen finals.... If the latest results say anything it's that anyone can beat anyone by any margin on any given day. MC is still damn good, just not invincible.
People are good and bad at certain matchups. Look at Thorzain, he is not a better player overall, he just has an amazing TvP while MC's PvT lacks. Whereas Kas is a much better allround player, his TvP wasn't good enough to beat MC.
It"s funny how MC used to have a 95% Record against Terran when he won his first GSL.
MC used to to 4/5/6 gate with sentry support now he doing more variance. Wish he'd go back to what works instead of trying to please. |
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| jmbthirteen United States. April 24 2011 18:08. Posts 9608 | Profile Blog # |
On April 24 2011 17:31 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 16:52 LwReisen wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:50 Reasonable wrote:
On April 24 2011 16:34 LwReisen wrote:
<troll>
wc3 players up
</troll>
But seriously, KAS is amazing and Thorzain took out the best protoss in the world.
Does anybody else feel that? That's sc dominance switching from KR to Europe..............
It's not a dominance switch, its more of a catch up. MC is probably on drinking bout after losing so badly to both picks in GSL I've also noticed that Koreans don't take other tournaments seriously during GSLs. In fact, I doubt coaches train their players to play at non-Korean tournaments, it's probably mostly taken as practice.
Well then that's their problem isn't it; arrogance. When foreigners start dominating Code S/A (it WILL happen), maybe then they'll take it seriously.
Why are people like you allowed to post on TL? There has been no indication that foreigners 'WILL' dominate Code S or even A. They got some wins in the GSTL where there was no prize money, then got absolutely handled in the individual stages when money came into it. MC lost a series, but 4 - 0'd Kas - these things happen. He can't prepare for every single match up considering he plays in so many tournaments, so stop making bs statements that aren't back up with facts.
well I think its more telling that MC lost games that he was actually able to prepare for.
+ Show Spoiler +He knew who he would be playing in TSL, GSL and NASL. Yet he lost in all three. Goes to a LAN where no one knows who they will play and he wins. Tyler is right. He plays risky. Given time to prepare for MC, he is certainly beatable and we are seeing that. And that goes for Koreans and foreigners. .
Is there still a gap? Sure, but its pretty close. GSTL WC didn't even have the best foreigners in it. Yet they still took games off them, even when money was on the line. We will never see foreigners dominate Code S/A because it makes more sense to play in home leagues that offer great prize money too. Hell thats why MC is traveling outside Korea to these competitions, to win money. |
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| ReaperX Hong Kong. April 24 2011 18:10. Posts 1755 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Trowa127 United Kingdom. April 24 2011 18:13. Posts 1158 | Profile # |
| I'd agree, but I also wonder how much he actaully prepared for the games. I think his main problem at the moment is that he is arrogant - I wouldn't be suprised if he just went into a lot of the games he lost totally blind (except Ret, obviously). We've all seen what happens when he prepared for games (July). |
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| ParasitJonte Sweden. April 24 2011 18:15. Posts 1756 | Profile # |
On April 24 2011 12:17 1Eris1 wrote:
Somehow I feel like Thorzain is going to get rolled by Kas.
But dam, taking out MC. dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
On April 24 2011 12:19 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ Sadly I think this is probably where the end of the line for him is. Kas' TvT is far more superior to what ThorZain's is. Sad though since he knocked out so many good player :/
I'm REALLY REALLY curious, how do you know this? There's no recent TvT on sc2rep.com, the last I saw was him taking out cloud in the semifinals of the qualifier.
Could it be. Could it possibly be that you're just publishing your uninformed opinions for the world to see?
I really loath when people do this. It doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever. If you know something the rest of us don't; then please do share. I'm willing to bet you don't however. |
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