| JerseyDevil Australia. April 25 2011 21:06. Posts 49 | Profile # |
As uncovered recently in a supposedly leaked email, there is evidence to suggest the higgs boson (God particle) may have been uncovered with use of the large hadron collider.
A leaked internal memo from four scientists at the Large Hadron Collider, the enormous particle accelerator that spans the border of Switzerland and France, said an experiment there may have finally recorded the existence of the long sought-after Higgs boson. Scientists believe that the hypothetical particle — the last one still undiscovered in the standard model of physics — plays a very special role in the universe, by imbuing all other particles with mass, making reality as we know it possible. Source
I find this such a fascinating idea, and am really interested in how it could tie together a unified theory of everything. This is such an exciting time for physics, which has been moving slowly in recent times due to holes in our conventional models.
What are TL's thoughts on this? |
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| hifriend Sweden. April 25 2011 21:08. Posts 5965 | Profile Blog # |
| Sounds like mere rumors at this point. If it's true, it's a huge discovery. :} |
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| redmarine Denmark. April 25 2011 21:12. Posts 162 | Profile # |
As stated above, it hasn't been officially confirmed. We should wait until we get some more substantial confirmation from the scientists themselves.
However, if it is true, Yay!Last edit: 2011-04-25 21:13:48 |
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| nttea Sweden. April 25 2011 21:12. Posts 4065 | Profile Blog # |
Yay for science! we now have found another thing we can't see or understand  |
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| zipz0p United States. April 25 2011 21:18. Posts 111 | Profile # |
I call BS. My friend working at CERN doesn't seem to think so, and he works on the data analysis end of things. I don't think that enough collisions have occurred yet to generate sufficient statistics to say anything about such high energy particles being generated.
Personally, I hope they don't find the Higgs as it would be indicative of much deeper issues in particle physics. It would certainly be the death knell of the standard model, and I think few would miss it. Also, "God particle" is the worst name ever. |
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| Emon_ April 25 2011 21:18. Posts 3753 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2011 21:12 nttea wrote:Yay for science! we now have found another thing we can't see or understand
Doesn't mean it's not useful. You don't have to understand all the science to benefit from it. Keep an open mind at leastLast edit: 2011-04-25 21:20:07 |
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| xM(Z Romania. April 25 2011 21:22. Posts 2018 | Profile # | |
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| green.at Austria. April 25 2011 21:22. Posts 1438 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2011 21:12 nttea wrote:Yay for science! we now have found another thing we can't see or understand
but if you know that it is there and know how ti find it you can learn about it. |
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| nttea Sweden. April 25 2011 21:25. Posts 4065 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2011 21:22 green.at wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 21:12 nttea wrote:Yay for science! we now have found another thing we can't see or understand
but if you know that it is there and know how ti find it you can learn about it.
didn't mean to come off as so negative about it, I'm sure it's a good thing but it's really hard to get enthusiastic about these things cause they are incredibly abstract. |
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| Rannasha Netherlands. April 25 2011 21:27. Posts 2263 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2011 21:06 JerseyDevil wrote:As uncovered recently in a supposedly leaked email, there is evidence to suggest the higgs boson (God particle) may have been uncovered with use of the large hadron collider.
Show nested quote +A leaked internal memo from four scientists at the Large Hadron Collider, the enormous particle accelerator that spans the border of Switzerland and France, said an experiment there may have finally recorded the existence of the long sought-after Higgs boson. Scientists believe that the hypothetical particle — the last one still undiscovered in the standard model of physics — plays a very special role in the universe, by imbuing all other particles with mass, making reality as we know it possible. Source
I find this such a fascinating idea, and am really interested in how it could tie together a unified theory of everything. This is such an exciting time for physics, which has been moving slowly in recent times due to holes in our conventional models. What are TL's thoughts on this?
False.
My wife works for one of the LHC experiments and if there would've been evidence to suggest the Higgs boson had been found, I would have heard about it.
Additionally, finding the Higgs boson isn't a matter of producing it and then saying "aha, there it is!". The particle will decay in a way that is slightly different from all the other possible processes that can occur and only the decay products are measurable. However, since the amount of colissions is so high and the chance to produce a Higgs boson is so low (if it exists), it will take a long time before there is enough statistical certainty to claim a discovery.
Think of it as rolling a weighted die. If you just roll 3 times, you can't say whether the die is pure and the results were just a matter of luck or whether it's weighted. You need to roll many more times to get a decent level of certainty. And in the case of the search for Higgs, the equivalent die is weighted in such a minor way that it only produces a very small deviation from what you'd expect.
It's not going to be found for at least a year. And after that it will take even longer before suspicions of a discovery can be backed up with enough statistics to actually proclaim the discovery. |
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 xaeiu April 25 2011 21:29. Posts 432 | Profile Blog # |
if that's true then...cool! finally! 
but tbh i still don't believe they have the evidence they need to definitely be sure that they uncovered it |
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| Zephy Germany. April 25 2011 21:29. Posts 40 | Profile # |
On April 25 2011 21:18 zipz0p wrote:
Personally, I hope they don't find the Higgs as it would be indicative of much deeper issues in particle physics. It would certainly be the death knell of the standard model, and I think few would miss it. Also, "God particle" is the worst name ever.
What are you talking about? Particle physics are definitely not fully described by the Standard Modell. There are already known holes in this theory. There are also further models that have been discussed that extend the Standard Model. Theories don't "die", even if they are extended. They only get limitations. The best example are Newton's Laws. They still work very well for most daily calculations, just not at high velocities ( and and extreme gravitational forces ). |
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| Rflcrx April 25 2011 21:30. Posts 503 | Profile # |
| Wow, 2 out of 9 people who replied know people that work at CERN and have insider information. TL surely is an impressiv place. |
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| Redunzl April 25 2011 21:31. Posts 861 | Profile Blog # |
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
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| Rannasha Netherlands. April 25 2011 21:31. Posts 2263 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2011 21:30 Rflcrx wrote:
Wow, 2 out of 9 people who replied know people that work at CERN and have insider information. TL surely is an impressiv place.
It's a biased sample though. People with an interest in particle physics are more inclined to open the thread and reply (especially since the claim in the TS is false). |
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| Brotkrumen Germany. April 25 2011 21:37. Posts 193 | Profile # |
On April 25 2011 21:31 Redunzl wrote:
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
-John Godfrey Saxe
Elaborate on how this is relevant to the topic please?
Extra points for not saying "there are things in the universe that man will never be able to understand because of this poem!" |
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| thoradycus Malaysia. April 25 2011 21:47. Posts 3212 | Profile # |
On April 25 2011 21:37 Brotkrumen wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 21:31 Redunzl wrote:
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
-John Godfrey Saxe
Elaborate on how this is relevant to the topic please? Extra points for not saying "there are things in the universe that man will never be able to understand because of this poem!"
Well the poem is about how people discuss at length/talk about tediously about an elephant which no one has seen, so thre u go |
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| Klonere Ireland. April 25 2011 21:50. Posts 1632 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2011 21:37 Brotkrumen wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 21:31 Redunzl wrote:
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
-John Godfrey Saxe
Elaborate on how this is relevant to the topic please? Extra points for not saying "there are things in the universe that man will never be able to understand because of this poem!"
The poem is about how often in theological (religious) arguments, the whole discourse is over something that neither side has seen or can prove exists.
Theoretical physics is pretty much all about said 'Elephant'. |
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| koreasilver Canada. April 25 2011 21:52. Posts 7488 | Profile Blog # |
On April 25 2011 21:47 thoradycus wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 21:37 Brotkrumen wrote:
On April 25 2011 21:31 Redunzl wrote:
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
-John Godfrey Saxe
Elaborate on how this is relevant to the topic please? Extra points for not saying "there are things in the universe that man will never be able to understand because of this poem!"
Well the poem is about how people discuss at length/talk about tediously about an elephant which no one has seen, so thre u go
Are you seriously trying to equate physics to theology? |
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| Schwopzi Netherlands. April 25 2011 21:53. Posts 531 | Profile # |
On April 25 2011 21:47 thoradycus wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 21:37 Brotkrumen wrote:
On April 25 2011 21:31 Redunzl wrote:
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
-John Godfrey Saxe
Elaborate on how this is relevant to the topic please? Extra points for not saying "there are things in the universe that man will never be able to understand because of this poem!"
Well the poem is about how people discuss at length/talk about tediously about an elephant which no one has seen, so thre u go
Ah so it's about god?
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Afaik the higgs boson is called the god particle for this reason, it's assumed to exist because we/physicians have deemed it essential for the universe to exist as is. |
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