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| shinosai United States. May 06 2011 10:43. Posts 1401 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2011 10:40 Pengtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:37 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 06 2011 10:36 Pengtoss wrote:
On May 06 2011 10:32 shinosai wrote:
On May 06 2011 10:23 Pengtoss wrote:
On May 06 2011 10:17 shinosai wrote:
On May 05 2011 11:53 Darclite wrote:How is the TL community so damn smart? Everyone has taken about 6-9 exams and get exclusively fours and fives, wtf lol
On May 05 2011 11:49 lowkontrast wrote:
Not taking any AP's this year, but last year I took AP World History, and for one of the essays I sketched my hand and still passed, albeit with a lowly 3.
lol hi tim.
They're not. It's the same reason that in every IQ thread the vast majority of TL'ers seem to have IQs over 140. And their sat scores are a minimum of 1400. And in gpa threads everyone has a 4.0. Because threads like this cause people to embellish quite a bit. I'd imagine most people getting fours is reasonable, though, since this is a likely score for anyone that did the work and knows the material. Fives, I'd imagine there's been a lot of embellishment on. At least in my classes, there tended to be only two or three people at most per class that made a five.
I think this trend is less based on embellishment and more so on the fact that only people who believe they're any good will post here. Saying I got a 5 isn't going to get much recognition because mostly the people who did well post about their scores anyway, so I don't have much reason to brag, unless I state that I've taken 12+ APs and have gotten 5 on them, etc., which still isn't particularly rewarding in my opinion :X ...though a few people have gotten that, and I don't doubt it. Some of the tests apparently have very lenient requirements for a 5 (hello ap stat iirc?  )...not to offend you or anything, but I think it's just that your school just isn't particularly strong. It's the same case with my school :<
I'd say my school was about average for a public school. I never took ap stat but I did take world lit, psychology, lit, calc bc, apush, and biology. Psych and biology I could see a five being easy if you did the studying. This is just repeating information you studied. Lit comes down to mostly aptitude, you can't study for it. It's designed so that most people will not make a five. Calc... well, that's a pretty damn hard test. The multiple choice is easy enough but once you get to the word problems it gets hardcore. APush is also a really hard exam, only the most astute of students would get a five on it. You can't just study and memorize, you have to know the concepts. In any case there's no real way to know whether it's embellishment or only people who did well posting. But in my experience with the internet, if the occasion calls for lawyers, people are lawyers. If the occasion calls for doctors, people are doctors. And if there's a thread about test scores, people are geniuses.
Hmm, fair enough. I take your word for it, as I really don't have that much experience with APs (my comments are just from intuition/personal opinion/opinions of others). A general question: how important, exactly, are APs? It's true that one should have all (or almost all) 5s for HSYPM, etc.? My dream school has always been the last of that list, and I feel as if one must do something amazing, and if one already doesn't have all 5s for AP tests (not to mention 800s and 2400s for SAT IIs/I), it already puts him/her at a major disadvantage...urban legend, or true? :X
Doesn't really matter, a lot of schools don't require them at all and since some high schools don't offer it not having any isn't an indicator of failure. It could help to have good scores on APs but not having them won't put you at a major disadvantage.
Oh, I'm planning on taking them...I'm just wondering how badly not having all 5s affects one's chances at getting into a top ivy (west and east), etc. Also, having more people take APs supposedly shouldn't change the curve, assuming that the total proportion of test-takers are basically as intelligent as past test-takers in the same general proportion, right? ...and APs aren't even curved that hard iirc--unlike the SAT I/ACT which are on a pretty firm bell curve. (correct me if I'm wrong anywhere)
That's a bad assumption, though. AP classes were originally for the elite students. Only students who were confident that they wouldn't get their gpa's owned by these super hard classes would take them. By becoming more inclusive (adding people), by the very nature of selection the new test-takers aren't as intelligent as the old ones. |
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| Freeheals United States. May 06 2011 10:43. Posts 487 | Profile Blog # |
Took the ap lit exam and did well on the MC part but completely zoned out and couldn't focus during the 2 hour, 3 essay section. Basically I only got about a page and a half down of complete nonsense for each essay. Can anyone tell me if I have any chance of getting a 3? I know little to nothing about the scoring but I would be eternally embarrassed if I was to get a 2. Can anyone give me encouraging words? Is it easy to get a 3?
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| shinosai United States. May 06 2011 10:48. Posts 1401 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2011 10:43 Freeheals wrote:
Took the ap lit exam and did well on the MC part but completely zoned out and couldn't focus during the 2 hour, 3 essay section. Basically I only got about a page and a half down of complete nonsense for each essay. Can anyone tell me if I have any chance of getting a 3? I know little to nothing about the scoring but I would be eternally embarrassed if I was to get a 2. Can anyone give me encouraging words? Is it easy to get a 3?
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Studying how the ap lit exams were graded was part of how we prepared for the exam. That being said, if you did really well on the multiple choice, you will get a 3 if you did not completely bomb the essays. The essays tend to be graded like something like this:
Look at length: Page long? Check
Look at intro and conclusion: Does it have anything to do with the text? Check.
Intro and conclusion: Is it the answer we're looking for? Check.
Last thing they look at: The middle. They'll skim this, it's probably the least important section. You can generally tell how good an essay is going to be just by looking at the quality of the introduction and conclusion, and how long the essay is. Using this method I was able to score essays within 1-2 points of what the actual AP graders scored.
So if your essays at the very least were long and you wrote a thesis that made sense, you would be okay. |
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| Cylon United States. May 06 2011 10:49. Posts 117 | Profile # |
On May 06 2011 10:43 Freeheals wrote:
Took the ap lit exam and did well on the MC part but completely zoned out and couldn't focus during the 2 hour, 3 essay section. Basically I only got about a page and a half down of complete nonsense for each essay. Can anyone tell me if I have any chance of getting a 3? I know little to nothing about the scoring but I would be eternally embarrassed if I was to get a 2. Can anyone give me encouraging words? Is it easy to get a 3?
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I completely BS'd my essays and still got a 3 so its not bad.
EDIT: Look at the previous post for the explanation.Last edit: 2011-05-06 10:50:09 |
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| cerka United States. May 06 2011 10:50. Posts 39 | Profile # |
On May 06 2011 10:43 Freeheals wrote:
Took the ap lit exam and did well on the MC part but completely zoned out and couldn't focus during the 2 hour, 3 essay section. Basically I only got about a page and a half down of complete nonsense for each essay. Can anyone tell me if I have any chance of getting a 3? I know little to nothing about the scoring but I would be eternally embarrassed if I was to get a 2. Can anyone give me encouraging words? Is it easy to get a 3?
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I can tell you from experience, I have 8 AP tests under my belt so far, English Language and Literature being two of them, that the English AP tests are relatively easy for me. As long as you wrote decently for those essays, something that was relative to the prompt, it shouldn't be difficult for you to get a 3. I am not going to tell you that you are going to get a 5, or a 4 even, because right now that seems a bit unlikely, but if you did decently than a 3 is not out of the question. That being said, all you have to do is write a few essays, and put forth some effort and you can easily get a 5 on the test.
Also, 2 more AP tests and I will be done with high school!
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| shinosai United States. May 06 2011 10:54. Posts 1401 | Profile Blog # |
I just hope you didn't have a ridiculous essay like I did. The poem was about a fucking eagle flying over the mountains for a while. The theme was supposed to be about the passage of time. The only people that actually got the theme right were girls. Sexist test. Dammit. I blame that essay for my lack of a five, since I kicked that tests ass otherwise.
Five years later that poem still haunts me. :/
Here it is:
+ Show Spoiler + From plane of light to plane, wings dipping through
Geometries and orchids that the sunset builds,
Out of the peak's black angularity of shadow, riding
The last tumultuous avalanche of
Light above pines and the guttural gorge,
The hawk comes.
His wing
Scythes down another day, his motion
Is that of the honed steel-edge, we hear
The crashless fall of stalks of Time.
The head of each stalk is heavy with the gold of our error.
Look!Look!he is climbing the last light
Who knows neither Time nor error, and under
Whose eye, unforgiving, the world, unforgiven, swings
Into shadow.
Long now,
The last thrush is still, the last bat
Now cruises in his sharp hieroglyphics.His wisdom
Is ancient, too, and immense.The star
Is steady, like Plato, over the mountain.
If there were no wind we might, we think, hear
The earth grind on its axis, or history
Drip in darkness like a leaking pipe in the cellar.
I dare someone to tell me they can look at that poem and know what the hell is going on, lawl. Seriously no one in my class except some girl actually got the theme right.Last edit: 2011-05-06 11:06:19 |
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| Cylon United States. May 06 2011 11:01. Posts 117 | Profile # |
| Agree the poems are retarded, I had to compare two and neither of them made sense. |
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| cerka United States. May 06 2011 11:01. Posts 39 | Profile # |
On May 06 2011 10:54 shinosai wrote:
I just hope you didn't have a ridiculous essay like I did. The poem was about a fucking eagle flying over the mountains for a while. The theme was supposed to be about the passage of time. The only people that actually got the theme right were girls. Sexist test. Dammit. I blame that essay for my lack of a five, since I kicked that tests ass otherwise.
Five years later that poem still haunts me. :/
I remember taking that test for one of the practice tests we did in class. I sorta bs'd my answer because no one in my class was getting the right interpretation of the poem, I ended up being the closest. That seems to be a pretty common occurrence on the APs for me, I bs something, and it turns out to be close enough to being correct. |
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| Gimmickkz May 06 2011 11:18. Posts 152 | Profile # |
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| In)Spire United States. May 06 2011 11:22. Posts 1313 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2011 10:54 shinosai wrote:I just hope you didn't have a ridiculous essay like I did. The poem was about a fucking eagle flying over the mountains for a while. The theme was supposed to be about the passage of time. The only people that actually got the theme right were girls. Sexist test. Dammit. I blame that essay for my lack of a five, since I kicked that tests ass otherwise. Five years later that poem still haunts me. :/ Here it is: + Show Spoiler + From plane of light to plane, wings dipping through
Geometries and orchids that the sunset builds,
Out of the peak's black angularity of shadow, riding
The last tumultuous avalanche of
Light above pines and the guttural gorge,
The hawk comes.
His wing
Scythes down another day, his motion
Is that of the honed steel-edge, we hear
The crashless fall of stalks of Time.
The head of each stalk is heavy with the gold of our error.
Look!Look!he is climbing the last light
Who knows neither Time nor error, and under
Whose eye, unforgiving, the world, unforgiven, swings
Into shadow.
Long now,
The last thrush is still, the last bat
Now cruises in his sharp hieroglyphics.His wisdom
Is ancient, too, and immense.The star
Is steady, like Plato, over the mountain.
If there were no wind we might, we think, hear
The earth grind on its axis, or history
Drip in darkness like a leaking pipe in the cellar.
I dare someone to tell me they can look at that poem and know what the hell is going on, lawl. Seriously no one in my class except some girl actually got the theme right.
LOL our teacher gave us that prompt for a mock exam. Nobody in our class got it either.
I think I got it towards the end, and I ended up with an 8 on that essay, but that poem frustrated the heck out of me when I first read it cuz I didnt know what it was saying at all -.- |
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| KimJongChill United States. May 06 2011 11:23. Posts 6424 | Profile # |
On May 06 2011 10:54 shinosai wrote:I just hope you didn't have a ridiculous essay like I did. The poem was about a fucking eagle flying over the mountains for a while. The theme was supposed to be about the passage of time. The only people that actually got the theme right were girls. Sexist test. Dammit. I blame that essay for my lack of a five, since I kicked that tests ass otherwise. Five years later that poem still haunts me. :/ Here it is: + Show Spoiler + From plane of light to plane, wings dipping through
Geometries and orchids that the sunset builds,
Out of the peak's black angularity of shadow, riding
The last tumultuous avalanche of
Light above pines and the guttural gorge,
The hawk comes.
His wing
Scythes down another day, his motion
Is that of the honed steel-edge, we hear
The crashless fall of stalks of Time.
The head of each stalk is heavy with the gold of our error.
Look!Look!he is climbing the last light
Who knows neither Time nor error, and under
Whose eye, unforgiving, the world, unforgiven, swings
Into shadow.
Long now,
The last thrush is still, the last bat
Now cruises in his sharp hieroglyphics.His wisdom
Is ancient, too, and immense.The star
Is steady, like Plato, over the mountain.
If there were no wind we might, we think, hear
The earth grind on its axis, or history
Drip in darkness like a leaking pipe in the cellar.
I dare someone to tell me they can look at that poem and know what the hell is going on, lawl. Seriously no one in my class except some girl actually got the theme right.
well it does mention time a lot of times, so that was probably a pretty solid guess haha. |
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| shinosai United States. May 06 2011 11:27. Posts 1401 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2011 11:23 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:54 shinosai wrote:I just hope you didn't have a ridiculous essay like I did. The poem was about a fucking eagle flying over the mountains for a while. The theme was supposed to be about the passage of time. The only people that actually got the theme right were girls. Sexist test. Dammit. I blame that essay for my lack of a five, since I kicked that tests ass otherwise. Five years later that poem still haunts me. :/ Here it is: + Show Spoiler + From plane of light to plane, wings dipping through
Geometries and orchids that the sunset builds,
Out of the peak's black angularity of shadow, riding
The last tumultuous avalanche of
Light above pines and the guttural gorge,
The hawk comes.
His wing
Scythes down another day, his motion
Is that of the honed steel-edge, we hear
The crashless fall of stalks of Time.
The head of each stalk is heavy with the gold of our error.
Look!Look!he is climbing the last light
Who knows neither Time nor error, and under
Whose eye, unforgiving, the world, unforgiven, swings
Into shadow.
Long now,
The last thrush is still, the last bat
Now cruises in his sharp hieroglyphics.His wisdom
Is ancient, too, and immense.The star
Is steady, like Plato, over the mountain.
If there were no wind we might, we think, hear
The earth grind on its axis, or history
Drip in darkness like a leaking pipe in the cellar.
I dare someone to tell me they can look at that poem and know what the hell is going on, lawl. Seriously no one in my class except some girl actually got the theme right.
well it does mention time a lot of times, so that was probably a pretty solid guess haha.
Yea, it does, and looking at it after you know it's about the passage of time, it seems pretty obvious... but at the same time, it mentions a lot of things about the landscape, too. Because the structure is kind of nonsensical, it's very difficult to read. There's no real sense of progression - just a ton of similes and metaphors back to back. I believe my original interpretation was to compare the hawk and the world around it, as I believed it to be a comparison poem. The young hawk versus the ancient world. This turned out to be completely WRONG. 
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| Chimpalimp United States. May 06 2011 11:46. Posts 1030 | Profile # |
| AP classes and tests are helpful as they prepare you decently well for college. I took like 6 AP classes in high school and was nervous as hell before each exam. But honestly its not a big deal. Use AP exams to get out of classes you don't plan on pursuing a future in (in my case, it was history and some social sciences). But more importantly use AP classes to give you a good foundation for subjects you are interested in (in my case calculus and physics). |
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| ZUR1CH United States. May 06 2011 11:48. Posts 108 | Profile # |
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| matjlav United States. May 06 2011 14:28. Posts 2435 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2011 10:17 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 11:53 Darclite wrote:How is the TL community so damn smart? Everyone has taken about 6-9 exams and get exclusively fours and fives, wtf lol
On May 05 2011 11:49 lowkontrast wrote:
Not taking any AP's this year, but last year I took AP World History, and for one of the essays I sketched my hand and still passed, albeit with a lowly 3.
lol hi tim.
They're not. It's the same reason that in every IQ thread the vast majority of TL'ers seem to have IQs over 140. And their sat scores are a minimum of 1400. And in gpa threads everyone has a 4.0. Because threads like this cause people to embellish quite a bit. I'd imagine most people getting fours is reasonable, though, since this is a likely score for anyone that did the work and knows the material. Fives, I'd imagine there's been a lot of embellishment on. At least in my classes, there tended to be only two or three people at most per class that made a five.
I wouldn't blame it on embellishments; I would blame it on the fact that people with great achievements tend to like posting in these threads more than people whose records aren't so stellar.
Also, 5s aren't as hard to get as you seem to think. You act like it's some crazy achievement, but it's the top 10-30% that get 5s (depending on the test), which is quite a lot. I personally got 5s on all 6 of the AP exams I took (Mechanics, E&M, BC Calc, Stats, Psych, and Chem), and I thought that the latter 4 tests were all quite easy...
And that wasn't completely exceptional at my high school. I went to a public school (a high quality public school, but a public school nonetheless). In my Stats class, the class was about split in half between 4s and 5s. Thanks to our awesome math teacher, in my BC Calc class, every single person in the class got a 5. I don't know the statistics on everything else, but AP Physics was the only AP class I took where I would estimate that less than half of my classmates got 5s.
AP Physics is actually a legitimately hard class imo; I found the rest of my AP classes to be fairly fluffy and slow-paced, especially those that are only equivalent to one semester of college courses (e.g. Chem, Psych, Stats). I can't speak for other AP classes, but I've gotten the impression that Bio, US and Euro History, and English are quite difficult as well.Last edit: 2011-05-06 14:34:08 |
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| shinosai United States. May 06 2011 14:33. Posts 1401 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2011 14:28 matjlav wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:17 shinosai wrote:
On May 05 2011 11:53 Darclite wrote:How is the TL community so damn smart? Everyone has taken about 6-9 exams and get exclusively fours and fives, wtf lol
On May 05 2011 11:49 lowkontrast wrote:
Not taking any AP's this year, but last year I took AP World History, and for one of the essays I sketched my hand and still passed, albeit with a lowly 3.
lol hi tim.
They're not. It's the same reason that in every IQ thread the vast majority of TL'ers seem to have IQs over 140. And their sat scores are a minimum of 1400. And in gpa threads everyone has a 4.0. Because threads like this cause people to embellish quite a bit. I'd imagine most people getting fours is reasonable, though, since this is a likely score for anyone that did the work and knows the material. Fives, I'd imagine there's been a lot of embellishment on. At least in my classes, there tended to be only two or three people at most per class that made a five.
I wouldn't blame it on embellishments; I would blame it on the fact that people with great achievements tend to like posting in these threads more than people whose records aren't so stellar. Also, 5s aren't as hard to get as you seem to think. You act like it's some crazy achievement but it's the top 10-30% that get 5s (depending on the test), which is quite a lot. I personally got 5s on all 6 of the AP exams I took (Mechanics, E&M, BC Calc, Stats, Psych, and Chem). And that's not completely exceptional. I went to a public school, and in my Stats class, the class was about split in half between 4s and 5s. In my BC Calc class, every single person in the class got a 5 (we had a very good teacher). I don't know the statistics on everything else, but AP Physics was the only AP class I took where I would estimate that less than half of my classmates got 5s.
This wasn't really the case at my school. Maybe only 2 or 3 people max would get a five. In a class of 15-20 people this comes out to about 10% which is actually a pretty good achievement. It's certainly possible that my school and myself are just really dumb but I kind of doubt it. It could just be a sign of the times, though. Apparently from what I've read there's a much higher curve to the tests now than there was when I took them.
Also, bio is one of the easier exams. It's basically just relaying back information and memorization. The histories are indeed harder since they involve applying concepts to the information you learned. English is just aptitude. Either you have it or you don't... can't really study for it.Last edit: 2011-05-06 14:36:36 |
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| matjlav United States. May 06 2011 14:37. Posts 2435 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2011 14:33 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 14:28 matjlav wrote:
On May 06 2011 10:17 shinosai wrote:
On May 05 2011 11:53 Darclite wrote:How is the TL community so damn smart? Everyone has taken about 6-9 exams and get exclusively fours and fives, wtf lol
On May 05 2011 11:49 lowkontrast wrote:
Not taking any AP's this year, but last year I took AP World History, and for one of the essays I sketched my hand and still passed, albeit with a lowly 3.
lol hi tim.
They're not. It's the same reason that in every IQ thread the vast majority of TL'ers seem to have IQs over 140. And their sat scores are a minimum of 1400. And in gpa threads everyone has a 4.0. Because threads like this cause people to embellish quite a bit. I'd imagine most people getting fours is reasonable, though, since this is a likely score for anyone that did the work and knows the material. Fives, I'd imagine there's been a lot of embellishment on. At least in my classes, there tended to be only two or three people at most per class that made a five.
I wouldn't blame it on embellishments; I would blame it on the fact that people with great achievements tend to like posting in these threads more than people whose records aren't so stellar. Also, 5s aren't as hard to get as you seem to think. You act like it's some crazy achievement but it's the top 10-30% that get 5s (depending on the test), which is quite a lot. I personally got 5s on all 6 of the AP exams I took (Mechanics, E&M, BC Calc, Stats, Psych, and Chem). And that's not completely exceptional. I went to a public school, and in my Stats class, the class was about split in half between 4s and 5s. In my BC Calc class, every single person in the class got a 5 (we had a very good teacher). I don't know the statistics on everything else, but AP Physics was the only AP class I took where I would estimate that less than half of my classmates got 5s.
This wasn't really the case at my school. Maybe only 2 or 3 people max would get a five. In a class of 15-20 people this comes out to about 10% which is actually a pretty good achievement. It's certainly possible that my school and myself are just really dumb but I kind of doubt it. It could just be a sign of the times, though. Apparently from what I've read there's a much higher curve to the tests now than there was when I took them.
You can check the Wikipedia pages for all AP tests to see the grade distributions if you're curious. Of course, the statistics are tough to interpret thanks to selection bias, ie. AP Physics E&M doesn't have 35% getting 5s because it's easy; it has 35% getting 5s because most people that take the test are quite smart. Also, there's what you alluded to before about more "common" people being let into the classes now. |
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| superbabosheki United States. May 06 2011 14:40. Posts 1466 | Profile Blog # |
AP's are a joke, you are taking a nationwide test full of idiots, meaning that the curve will tremendously help your own score.
BTW how are high school students trolilng the test this year? I was part of the "This is Sparta" and "Why So Serious" era =D |
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| xHassassin United States. May 06 2011 14:46. Posts 270 | Profile # |
On May 06 2011 14:40 superbabosheki wrote:
AP's are a joke, you are taking a nationwide test full of idiots, meaning that the curve will tremendously help your own score.
BTW how are high school students trolilng the test this year? I was part of the "This is Sparta" and "Why So Serious" era =D
Yeah, they are pretty ridiculously curved.
Most tests have 70% or above being a 5 or something. That's like saying getting a C on your final exam warrants you an A for your college course.
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| matjlav United States. May 06 2011 14:50. Posts 2435 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2011 14:46 xHassassin wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 14:40 superbabosheki wrote:
AP's are a joke, you are taking a nationwide test full of idiots, meaning that the curve will tremendously help your own score.
BTW how are high school students trolilng the test this year? I was part of the "This is Sparta" and "Why So Serious" era =D
Yeah, they are pretty ridiculously curved. Most tests have 70% or above being a 5 or something. That's like saying getting a C on your final exam warrants you an A for your college course. :\
Well, if it's a particularly tough test, then a 70% could merit an A on a final.
The issue is that most of the AP tests aren't actually hard... certainly not as hard as the college tests I've seen where a 70% would get you an A. |
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