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| CaffeineFree-_- United States. March 09 2012 10:09. Posts 641 | Profile Blog # |
On March 09 2012 04:07 Guamshin wrote:
Hello~ Short question here.
Is there any trick for hotkeying units of the same type fast, instead of just clicking on each of the units or just shift-adding which just adds random units. I play terran so i want my marines medics and tanks on seperate hotkeys fast!
Box off edges of the 'ball' and if you don't grab 12 shift box or click some more till you get 12 move them to the side and repeat. If you ctrl click you may group units in the center and it'll be a pain to get them to move or you'll double hotkey some units. |
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| Golgotha Korea (South). March 09 2012 15:22. Posts 6474 | Profile Blog # |
guys been grinding games and im getting the hang of this. macro is like playing the piano, you hit the keys in order and you sound/do beautiful. but I am screeeeeeeeeeeeeching to a halt when it comes to defiler vs enemy Out In the Open. Eat two lings, and shoot a swarm is easy enough. But holy hell when the enemy is just running backwards and you keep chasing them with swarms I become brain dead. it's hard enough to control 3 groups of lings, 1 group of lurkers and a pack of scourgies...but to do it all the damn time every second because the marines stim back....I get really emotional and lose control  (not emotional but I am trying to get a point across). in the process I feel like the terran is just buying time when EYE should be the one buying time.
Is there a certain way I am supposed to go about this? fighting terran balls that keep moving around in circles on Fighting Spirit, while I chase them with swarms like a headless chicken.
I could use tips on unit control, tactics and strategy when the game is at this stage. Should I have my whole army right clicked (follow) on my defilers?
I just played a game where this happened. I rocked him hardcore early and mid game. I even did SV snipes and held him at bay forever. but when I moved out....he just ran around while I kept chasing him with storms. I went insane and got ultralisk tunnel vision and just threw ultras at him off 4 bases until he quit. I won and I am happy with how I did early-mid, but that last part about the game really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. feel like i lost.
Here is the replay, I hope you can help!
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| kidcrash United States. March 09 2012 18:05. Posts 444 | Profile Blog # |
On March 09 2012 15:22 Golgotha wrote:guys been grinding games and im getting the hang of this. macro is like playing the piano, you hit the keys in order and you sound/do beautiful. but I am screeeeeeeeeeeeeching to a halt when it comes to defiler vs enemy Out In the Open. Eat two lings, and shoot a swarm is easy enough. But holy hell when the enemy is just running backwards and you keep chasing them with swarms I become brain dead. it's hard enough to control 3 groups of lings, 1 group of lurkers and a pack of scourgies...but to do it all the damn time every second because the marines stim back....I get really emotional and lose control (not emotional but I am trying to get a point across). in the process I feel like the terran is just buying time when EYE should be the one buying time. Is there a certain way I am supposed to go about this? fighting terran balls that keep moving around in circles on Fighting Spirit, while I chase them with swarms like a headless chicken. I could use tips on unit control, tactics and strategy when the game is at this stage. Should I have my whole army right clicked (follow) on my defilers? I just played a game where this happened. I rocked him hardcore early and mid game. I even did SV snipes and held him at bay forever. but when I moved out....he just ran around while I kept chasing him with storms. I went insane and got ultralisk tunnel vision and just threw ultras at him off 4 bases until he quit. I won and I am happy with how I did early-mid, but that last part about the game really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. feel like i lost. Here is the replay, I hope you can help! http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=50632
Looked like you were only on 3 bases, not 4, which makes a huge difference when you're pumping ultralisk like that. To be fair you did fine regardless (his macro was mediocre). I did see a little bit of his swarm retreating you were talking about. Just backstab his 3rd if he constantly backs off with him army like that. Also a well placed flank is great for crushing his army. Swing 2 control groups behind his army and then pincer him.
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| Puyi United States. March 09 2012 21:20. Posts 161 | Profile # |
| i didnt see the rep but from ur post i can guess ur not using plague as well as you can. plague those marines |
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| Golgotha Korea (South). March 10 2012 02:29. Posts 6474 | Profile Blog # |
On March 09 2012 18:05 kidcrash wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:22 Golgotha wrote:guys been grinding games and im getting the hang of this. macro is like playing the piano, you hit the keys in order and you sound/do beautiful. but I am screeeeeeeeeeeeeching to a halt when it comes to defiler vs enemy Out In the Open. Eat two lings, and shoot a swarm is easy enough. But holy hell when the enemy is just running backwards and you keep chasing them with swarms I become brain dead. it's hard enough to control 3 groups of lings, 1 group of lurkers and a pack of scourgies...but to do it all the damn time every second because the marines stim back....I get really emotional and lose control (not emotional but I am trying to get a point across). in the process I feel like the terran is just buying time when EYE should be the one buying time. Is there a certain way I am supposed to go about this? fighting terran balls that keep moving around in circles on Fighting Spirit, while I chase them with swarms like a headless chicken. I could use tips on unit control, tactics and strategy when the game is at this stage. Should I have my whole army right clicked (follow) on my defilers? I just played a game where this happened. I rocked him hardcore early and mid game. I even did SV snipes and held him at bay forever. but when I moved out....he just ran around while I kept chasing him with storms. I went insane and got ultralisk tunnel vision and just threw ultras at him off 4 bases until he quit. I won and I am happy with how I did early-mid, but that last part about the game really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. feel like i lost. Here is the replay, I hope you can help! http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=50632
Looked like you were only on 3 bases, not 4, which makes a huge difference when you're pumping ultralisk like that. To be fair you did fine regardless (his macro was mediocre). I did see a little bit of his swarm retreating you were talking about. Just backstab his 3rd if he constantly backs off with him army like that. Also a well placed flank is great for crushing his army. Swing 2 control groups behind his army and then pincer him.
ah 3 base you are right! thanks for the tips, great idea to send 2 control groups around to the back of his army.
@puyi yeah I really gotta start using plague :/
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| corumjhaelen France. March 10 2012 02:41. Posts 4925 | Profile Blog # |
On March 09 2012 15:22 Golgotha wrote:guys been grinding games and im getting the hang of this. macro is like playing the piano, you hit the keys in order and you sound/do beautiful. but I am screeeeeeeeeeeeeching to a halt when it comes to defiler vs enemy Out In the Open. Eat two lings, and shoot a swarm is easy enough. But holy hell when the enemy is just running backwards and you keep chasing them with swarms I become brain dead. it's hard enough to control 3 groups of lings, 1 group of lurkers and a pack of scourgies...but to do it all the damn time every second because the marines stim back....I get really emotional and lose control (not emotional but I am trying to get a point across). in the process I feel like the terran is just buying time when EYE should be the one buying time. Is there a certain way I am supposed to go about this? fighting terran balls that keep moving around in circles on Fighting Spirit, while I chase them with swarms like a headless chicken. I could use tips on unit control, tactics and strategy when the game is at this stage. Should I have my whole army right clicked (follow) on my defilers? I just played a game where this happened. I rocked him hardcore early and mid game. I even did SV snipes and held him at bay forever. but when I moved out....he just ran around while I kept chasing him with storms. I went insane and got ultralisk tunnel vision and just threw ultras at him off 4 bases until he quit. I won and I am happy with how I did early-mid, but that last part about the game really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. feel like i lost. Here is the replay, I hope you can help! http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=50632
Just watched the game, your end game army control/swarms were good, ihis army is running in circle, but you are indeed buying time. Buying time for a fourth and then ultra upgrades kicking in.
In my opinion, your biggest problem here was the beginning of the game. I'm only D+, but I think zvt is my less bad match up, take all that with a (huge) grain of salt.
-you can use the larva trick to put them on the left of your hatch (not very important, but that's something to do in the beginning of the game).
You saw a wall, you can get away with only 4 lings.
More importantly, you need a hydra den in this situation. The only reason you survived is because he was terrible and you had mutas out by the time he had the wraiths, which should not happen. Btw you overeacted with those sunkens. His wall was not ling tight (you can't make one on FS), check his marine count. that would also have helped to guess the build.
Also, once you had your muta out, you could have tried to test the main, his valk was not in time. You could have harassed and scout at that time.
Same when he moves out, you don't check enough his army, you had huge opportunity for backstabs.
You don't make enough ling. Lings are good.
You also need to upgrade carapace much earlier.
Oh yeah, and ovie speed helps against cloaked wraiths.
I think you should have made less mutas and more lurkers/scourges/lings.
Try to take a fourth earlier.
Make lings, upgrade them (crak is the shit).
One of the problem was also a very low drone count, which is in part due to those unnecessary sunkens, and you should have droned more after those mutas were out and you killed the wraiths.
You shouldn't be able to afford ultras on 3 bases. It's not that bad to make them if your macro is bad though, but at least wait for their carapace upgrade... At least your opponents upgrades were as bad as yours, but you could have been 1-4 by the end of the game easily.
You really need more lings, I mean you consumed an ultras and played minesweeper with them. Yeah the game was over but...
A bit of everything, but I'd say your macro was pretty decent (but loooow drone count= low money and lots of spare larvae) and your amry control was rather good, army composition/scouting/reacting not so good.
Hope I helped =)
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| Golgotha Korea (South). March 10 2012 04:16. Posts 6474 | Profile Blog # |
On March 10 2012 02:41 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:22 Golgotha wrote:guys been grinding games and im getting the hang of this. macro is like playing the piano, you hit the keys in order and you sound/do beautiful. but I am screeeeeeeeeeeeeching to a halt when it comes to defiler vs enemy Out In the Open. Eat two lings, and shoot a swarm is easy enough. But holy hell when the enemy is just running backwards and you keep chasing them with swarms I become brain dead. it's hard enough to control 3 groups of lings, 1 group of lurkers and a pack of scourgies...but to do it all the damn time every second because the marines stim back....I get really emotional and lose control (not emotional but I am trying to get a point across). in the process I feel like the terran is just buying time when EYE should be the one buying time. Is there a certain way I am supposed to go about this? fighting terran balls that keep moving around in circles on Fighting Spirit, while I chase them with swarms like a headless chicken. I could use tips on unit control, tactics and strategy when the game is at this stage. Should I have my whole army right clicked (follow) on my defilers? I just played a game where this happened. I rocked him hardcore early and mid game. I even did SV snipes and held him at bay forever. but when I moved out....he just ran around while I kept chasing him with storms. I went insane and got ultralisk tunnel vision and just threw ultras at him off 4 bases until he quit. I won and I am happy with how I did early-mid, but that last part about the game really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. feel like i lost. Here is the replay, I hope you can help! http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=50632
Just watched the game, your end game army control/swarms were good, ihis army is running in circle, but you are indeed buying time. Buying time for a fourth and then ultra upgrades kicking in. In my opinion, your biggest problem here was the beginning of the game. I'm only D+, but I think zvt is my less bad match up, take all that with a (huge) grain of salt. -you can use the larva trick to put them on the left of your hatch (not very important, but that's something to do in the beginning of the game). You saw a wall, you can get away with only 4 lings. More importantly, you need a hydra den in this situation. The only reason you survived is because he was terrible and you had mutas out by the time he had the wraiths, which should not happen. Btw you overeacted with those sunkens. His wall was not ling tight (you can't make one on FS), check his marine count. that would also have helped to guess the build. Also, once you had your muta out, you could have tried to test the main, his valk was not in time. You could have harassed and scout at that time. Same when he moves out, you don't check enough his army, you had huge opportunity for backstabs. You don't make enough ling. Lings are good. You also need to upgrade carapace much earlier. Oh yeah, and ovie speed helps against cloaked wraiths. I think you should have made less mutas and more lurkers/scourges/lings. Try to take a fourth earlier. Make lings, upgrade them (crak is the shit). One of the problem was also a very low drone count, which is in part due to those unnecessary sunkens, and you should have droned more after those mutas were out and you killed the wraiths. You shouldn't be able to afford ultras on 3 bases. It's not that bad to make them if your macro is bad though, but at least wait for their carapace upgrade... At least your opponents upgrades were as bad as yours, but you could have been 1-4 by the end of the game easily. You really need more lings, I mean you consumed an ultras and played minesweeper with them. Yeah the game was over but... A bit of everything, but I'd say your macro was pretty decent (but loooow drone count= low money and lots of spare larvae) and your amry control was rather good, army composition/scouting/reacting not so good. Hope I helped =)
this helped tremendously. I am going to keep all your points in mind for my next games. but i dont see how my control was good. I screech to a halt in apm when i have to do defiler micro, and my resources skyrocket during this time. towards the end i just clicked A and even sent unguarded defilers to do some swarms in front of his base
I still have questions about the defiler swarm engagements. Lets say I have 3 ctrl groups of lings, 1 group of lurkers and a group of scourgies. Is this the chain of events?
1. Send my defiler in and swarm.
2. Lurker next
3. all lings (keep them within the cloud and hold position ifyou have to.
4. scourgies right clicked on defiler and kill SV that come close.
OR is it
1. Lurker first into the fray and tank some damage
2. next defiler swarm on the lurkers
3. lings
4. scourgies right clicked on defiler and kill SV that come close.
OR
1. Lings first and then Lurkers? (this method seems bad since my lings practically melt if they go in first
To make things simple should I just have all ctrl groups right clicked on my lurkers, so that they all go in together like brothers?
Please sirs, many of my troops have died senselessly in botched engagements. they need your help. |
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| corumjhaelen France. March 10 2012 06:39. Posts 4925 | Profile Blog # |
I'm not really sure about the exact order in which you execute the command. Ideally, you'd want to have swarm cast as soon as your lruker get under it (that sounds optimal I think ?), so you'd have to time it differently depending on your troops position (I think it comes with experience, and that there's no 100% recipe).
After that you'd want ling to come after lurkers burrow (lings are the real damage dealer against a decent terran, never forget, a pair of crackling has the highest dps of any unit in the game beside a carrier). It is also true in midgame engagements.
Finally, you don't want to engage with scourge first because you want the marines ai to have another target (ideally a lurker under swarm). If you want to snipe a vessel you can always try to send some scourges with a few lings at the same time for instance, if terran is not paying attention it can work (you also have to evaluate the number of ligs necesary, to account for the positionning of the vessel etc).
Maybe be a little more daring with your swarms, especially once the first is cast.
In term of hotkey, hard to say, definitely hotkey defilers/lurkers, maybe a control group of ling and try constantly rehotkey what you're going to need in a few seconds. (I'm terrible at this sort of thing and keeping my army together...).
As for your decent control, I really thought it was ok this game. Yeah your ressources skyrocketed, but then again it's pretty hard to avoid when microing defilers/muta (it happens to player far better than you^^) and it's more a multitasking problem. secondly, your control did exactly what he had to do, bought you time for ultras (and 4th too if you see what I mean), which is why banking ressources at that time is not always that bad, as long as you survive. Do remake lurkers defilers zergling in the endgame though, or you'll just... die. |
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| JMave Singapore. March 11 2012 12:20. Posts 1754 | Profile Blog # |
On March 10 2012 04:16 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 02:41 corumjhaelen wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:22 Golgotha wrote:guys been grinding games and im getting the hang of this. macro is like playing the piano, you hit the keys in order and you sound/do beautiful. but I am screeeeeeeeeeeeeching to a halt when it comes to defiler vs enemy Out In the Open. Eat two lings, and shoot a swarm is easy enough. But holy hell when the enemy is just running backwards and you keep chasing them with swarms I become brain dead. it's hard enough to control 3 groups of lings, 1 group of lurkers and a pack of scourgies...but to do it all the damn time every second because the marines stim back....I get really emotional and lose control (not emotional but I am trying to get a point across). in the process I feel like the terran is just buying time when EYE should be the one buying time. Is there a certain way I am supposed to go about this? fighting terran balls that keep moving around in circles on Fighting Spirit, while I chase them with swarms like a headless chicken. I could use tips on unit control, tactics and strategy when the game is at this stage. Should I have my whole army right clicked (follow) on my defilers? I just played a game where this happened. I rocked him hardcore early and mid game. I even did SV snipes and held him at bay forever. but when I moved out....he just ran around while I kept chasing him with storms. I went insane and got ultralisk tunnel vision and just threw ultras at him off 4 bases until he quit. I won and I am happy with how I did early-mid, but that last part about the game really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. feel like i lost. Here is the replay, I hope you can help! http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=50632
Just watched the game, your end game army control/swarms were good, ihis army is running in circle, but you are indeed buying time. Buying time for a fourth and then ultra upgrades kicking in. In my opinion, your biggest problem here was the beginning of the game. I'm only D+, but I think zvt is my less bad match up, take all that with a (huge) grain of salt. -you can use the larva trick to put them on the left of your hatch (not very important, but that's something to do in the beginning of the game). You saw a wall, you can get away with only 4 lings. More importantly, you need a hydra den in this situation. The only reason you survived is because he was terrible and you had mutas out by the time he had the wraiths, which should not happen. Btw you overeacted with those sunkens. His wall was not ling tight (you can't make one on FS), check his marine count. that would also have helped to guess the build. Also, once you had your muta out, you could have tried to test the main, his valk was not in time. You could have harassed and scout at that time. Same when he moves out, you don't check enough his army, you had huge opportunity for backstabs. You don't make enough ling. Lings are good. You also need to upgrade carapace much earlier. Oh yeah, and ovie speed helps against cloaked wraiths. I think you should have made less mutas and more lurkers/scourges/lings. Try to take a fourth earlier. Make lings, upgrade them (crak is the shit). One of the problem was also a very low drone count, which is in part due to those unnecessary sunkens, and you should have droned more after those mutas were out and you killed the wraiths. You shouldn't be able to afford ultras on 3 bases. It's not that bad to make them if your macro is bad though, but at least wait for their carapace upgrade... At least your opponents upgrades were as bad as yours, but you could have been 1-4 by the end of the game easily. You really need more lings, I mean you consumed an ultras and played minesweeper with them. Yeah the game was over but... A bit of everything, but I'd say your macro was pretty decent (but loooow drone count= low money and lots of spare larvae) and your amry control was rather good, army composition/scouting/reacting not so good. Hope I helped =)
this helped tremendously. I am going to keep all your points in mind for my next games. but i dont see how my control was good. I screech to a halt in apm when i have to do defiler micro, and my resources skyrocket during this time. towards the end i just clicked A and even sent unguarded defilers to do some swarms in front of his base I still have questions about the defiler swarm engagements. Lets say I have 3 ctrl groups of lings, 1 group of lurkers and a group of scourgies. Is this the chain of events? 1. Send my defiler in and swarm. 2. Lurker next 3. all lings (keep them within the cloud and hold position ifyou have to. 4. scourgies right clicked on defiler and kill SV that come close. OR is it 1. Lurker first into the fray and tank some damage 2. next defiler swarm on the lurkers 3. lings 4. scourgies right clicked on defiler and kill SV that come close. OR 1. Lings first and then Lurkers? (this method seems bad since my lings practically melt if they go in first To make things simple should I just have all ctrl groups right clicked on my lurkers, so that they all go in together like brothers? Please sirs, many of my troops have died senselessly in botched engagements. they need your help.
best is to move in lurkers to tank a bit of damage and then swarm with moving lings in later. since u have another swarm, you can choose to hold ur lings back for now and move your lurkers to push him asfar back as you can. this will leave you with some lings to consume and to plant more swarms. sniping vessels are not that much of a priority but the whole idea and most important thing is to have good swarms. |
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| Release United States. March 12 2012 04:42. Posts 3982 | Profile Blog # |
| has a game ever been decided by a poor split? |
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| hacklebeast United States. March 12 2012 04:49. Posts 4643 | Profile Blog # |
On March 12 2012 04:42 Release wrote:
has a game ever been decided by a poor split?
Probably. If a terran player had a bad split, and ended up losing to dts because his turret didn't quite finish, you could argue that the 16 minerals he would have had could have been use to start that turret faster, then kill the dts. I don't think there was ever a game that was lost solely because of a bad split though. |
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| Jealous United States. March 12 2012 05:27. Posts 2345 | Profile Blog # |
On March 12 2012 04:42 Release wrote:
has a game ever been decided by a poor split?
If you count 12 probes being sent to only one mineral to escape from harass, only to get stormed/scarab'd into oblivion en masse up arrival, then yes definitely.
If you only mean the initial split of probes, one time I got 2 probes trapped behind the mineral line in the bottom left corner of Blood Bath. In promatches, I strongly doubt it, because pros have been splitting perfectly or close to it for over a decade. |
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| sopp_i_am March 12 2012 05:42. Posts 7 | Profile # |
| Is there any chance of hitting PL or OSL finals if going to Korea between 23. of June and 6. of July? And, worst case scenario, is it possible there won't be any PL or OSL matches at all between the two dates? Last edit: 2012-03-12 05:42:35 |
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| Thehummel Denmark. March 12 2012 19:23. Posts 117 | Profile # |
| Is it possible to get fullscreen in W-mode? Because it's unplayable at such a low resolution T_T |
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| fold Australia. March 12 2012 20:10. Posts 605 | Profile Blog # |
On March 12 2012 19:23 Thehummel wrote:
Is it possible to get fullscreen in W-mode? Because it's unplayable at such a low resolution T_T
I'm guessing you've pressed the x2 button on the top right of the window so try lowering your desktop resolution to make the window bigger. Last edit: 2012-03-12 20:11:38 |
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| Thehummel Denmark. March 12 2012 20:20. Posts 117 | Profile # |
| There ain't other ways? Is that how streamers do when they stream BW? |
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 KwarK United Kingdom. March 13 2012 01:42. Posts 21021 | Profile Blog # |
On March 12 2012 20:20 Thehummel wrote:
There ain't other ways? Is that how streamers do when they stream BW?
Bw streamers don't always use windows mode. I use camtasia and FMLE to stream bw. |
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| Thehummel Denmark. March 13 2012 02:02. Posts 117 | Profile # |
| That allows you to stream in fullscreen mode? |
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| Golgotha Korea (South). March 13 2012 12:57. Posts 6474 | Profile Blog # |
On March 13 2012 02:02 Thehummel wrote:
That allows you to stream in fullscreen mode?
yup |
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| erikzbi China. March 14 2012 16:43. Posts 43 | Profile # |
y bother even use windows mode?
it's very hard to use |
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