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| MajuGarzett Canada. June 10 2012 03:36. Posts 476 | Profile Blog # |
On June 10 2012 02:58 Subspacer wrote:
Is Coldhands was Benjen wouldn't Bran have recognized him?
He had a scarf concealing his face. |
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| Flyingdutchman Netherlands. June 10 2012 04:00. Posts 715 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 03:10 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 00:12 Flyingdutchman wrote:
On June 08 2012 11:13 Flik wrote:
I think the biggest giveaway he made is when he said "Lyanna died on a bed of blood". What else could it be besides a birthing bed? One of the Kingsguard stab her before Ned could get to her? She killed herself so she wouldn't have to go back to Robert? I always think how convenient it was that he arrived just as she lay dying from child birth.
I thought it was because Raegar was too big for her. I need to cut back on some activities...
Dude?! WTF? that s just wrong
ok, not too big but just too rough or something. |
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| B.I.G. June 10 2012 23:11. Posts 2082 | Profile # |
ok so i just finished season 2. as with the first seaon, i really loved it, but so much stuff happens and so many people are mentioned it's hard to keep the overview. So help me see if I have the gist of it correct:
Several nations/armies etc want the iron throne, namely:
-starks
-the iron isles dudes
-the dragon lady and friends
-that dude who hangs out with the crazy red head with all the magic
-his brother (that he killed but i can imagine they will start stirring up shit later on)
-and the imp family (the lannisters?)
Other threaths:
-the king beyond the wall with the wildling army right?
-the zombie dudes (white walkers?) and also, is there a difference between the zombs on horses (who looked different) and the actual -throat ripped out stumbling blood drooling face eat zombies?
and who is the dude with the reddish hair who keeps shanking people for the little girl (arya i think)? I guess i missed something there...
If someone could fill in the blanks and correct possible mistakes that would be awesome  |
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| Antisocialmunky United States. June 10 2012 23:23. Posts 5090 | Profile Blog # |
| I was always under the impression that the Grey Joys didn't want the iron throne, they just wanted to rape everything... which I guess would include the iron thrown but that'd be uncomfortable. |
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| Logo United States. June 10 2012 23:25. Posts 2649 | Profile Blog # |
The white walkers (guys on horses) aren't undead, they're some sort of creature of ice*. The other guys are undead beings (wildlings & rangers) turned by the white walkers.
*Chances are these are the 'ice' part of A Song of Fire and Ice. |
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| Geo.Rion Hungary. June 11 2012 00:02. Posts 5354 | Profile Blog # |
On June 10 2012 23:11 B.I.G. wrote:ok so i just finished season 2. as with the first seaon, i really loved it, but so much stuff happens and so many people are mentioned it's hard to keep the overview. So help me see if I have the gist of it correct: Several nations/armies etc want the iron throne, namely: -starks -the iron isles dudes -the dragon lady and friends -that dude who hangs out with the crazy red head with all the magic -his brother (that he killed but i can imagine they will start stirring up shit later on) -and the imp family (the lannisters?) Other threaths: -the king beyond the wall with the wildling army right? -the zombie dudes (white walkers?) and also, is there a difference between the zombs on horses (who looked different) and the actual -throat ripped out stumbling blood drooling face eat zombies? and who is the dude with the reddish hair who keeps shanking people for the little girl (arya i think)? I guess i missed something there... If someone could fill in the blanks and correct possible mistakes that would be awesome
-Starks: NO, they dont want the iron throne, they want the North and the Riverlands to be treated as an independent kingdom, they also want to bring down the lannisters
-Iron islanders: They DONT want the throne either, they want independence and some conquer/plunder
-Yes, Dany wants the Iron throne, though she's far as hell from it
-Stannis Baratheon, the former king's true heir, since he's the oldest brother and Robert left no trueborn sons
-his brother, Renly also wanted the throne, he died
-Lannisters de facto own the Iron throne, though on paper it belongs to the Baratheons
the reddish dude is a Faceless Man from Braavos, highly trained assasin group |
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| elt Thailand. June 11 2012 00:23. Posts 486 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 23:10 Quexana wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 22:31 whatwhatanut wrote:
On June 09 2012 22:17 moopie wrote:
Everyone assumes that its Benjen, it would be too obvoius if that was the case though. I hope GRRM never confirms it one way or the other. Coldhands' job was to get Bran to the CotF safely, that's done now. We don't need a reveal as to who he was. The children say "They killed him long ago", and that's good enough for me.
I think there may be a reveal but I do agree that Benjen is too ez. Maybe it is like one of the old Starks who went to the north. I remember in the book something about the Starks who weren't in line for the king in the north would often go to the wall to be commanders or rangers. Either way I think its a great story line amidst a great story.
My guess is that Coldhands is going to be revealed to be someone from the Dunk and Egg stories the same way that the Three-Eyed Crow is.
Would be amusing/sombre if it turns out Coldhands is Dunk's father. In a twisted, Easter Egg-ish kind of way.
Dunk and Egg spoiler (just to be safe)
+ Show Spoiler +Can't be Dunk because IIRC he went the same way as Egg at Summerhall? Last edit: 2012-06-11 00:25:28 |
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| MajuGarzett Canada. June 11 2012 00:41. Posts 476 | Profile Blog # |
On June 10 2012 23:11 B.I.G. wrote:ok so i just finished season 2. as with the first seaon, i really loved it, but so much stuff happens and so many people are mentioned it's hard to keep the overview. So help me see if I have the gist of it correct: Several nations/armies etc want the iron throne, namely: -starks -the iron isles dudes -the dragon lady and friends -that dude who hangs out with the crazy red head with all the magic -his brother (that he killed but i can imagine they will start stirring up shit later on) -and the imp family (the lannisters?) Other threaths: -the king beyond the wall with the wildling army right? -the zombie dudes (white walkers?) and also, is there a difference between the zombs on horses (who looked different) and the actual -throat ripped out stumbling blood drooling face eat zombies? and who is the dude with the reddish hair who keeps shanking people for the little girl (arya i think)? I guess i missed something there... If someone could fill in the blanks and correct possible mistakes that would be awesome
There is a difference between the zombies. The one at the end who screamed was a white walker. The other ones were just revived corpses. The red haired guy is Jaqen. Arya saved him and 2 other prisoners from being burnt alive so he owes her 3 deaths which he can do as he is an assassin. |
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| B.I.G. June 11 2012 00:55. Posts 2082 | Profile # |
| Thanks for the info guys, now the endless wait for season there starts... Maybe I'll just have to start reading the books... |
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| KOFgokuon United States. June 11 2012 01:16. Posts 11351 | Profile Blog # |
| You're in the wrong thread if you don't know all of this already.. |
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| Mataru Norway. June 17 2012 23:21. Posts 288 | Profile # |
I just finished the the 5th book and the epilogue was pretty cool, though I was sad that we didn't get a new chapter from Alayne or Littlefinger himself. I find the Littlefinger storyline really interesting, and I can't wait to see how he is gonna keep maneuvering to gain even higher position. He is already taking control of most of the Vale of Arryn, and with Sansa under his control he will probably try to gain control over the North aswell, somehow. I wonder if he will try to throw in with Jon Connington and Aegon, though probably he will just work on his own shadow game and try to take advantage of the carnage that will no doubt soon ensue.
I agree that the 4th book was a bit weaker than the previous three, but towards the end of the 5th things really started heating up again for me. At this point I'm pretty excited about all the storylines. Dany mounting Drogon in the pit was a real nice moment for her, as she finally steps up and comes into her own. From now on I hope she will be a badass riding around on dragons and burning the shit of out stuff. Brienne and Jaime stuff is really intriguing, I feel like an unlikely romance might blossom there, and Brienne said she had found Sansa? Can't wait to find out about that. Tyrion keeps wriggling his way out of dangerous situations and his chapters are always fun to read anyway. Would be cool to see him back in Westeros on the side of Aegon or Dany against his own family. Jon getting stabbed had me almost screaming NO! but something tells me he won't actually die.
Overall there is awesome shit going on all over, now I'm gonna read book 4 prologue again and see if the description of the assassin dude really matches with Jaquen's. I never really got the signifigance of that prologue before. |
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| jxx Brazil. June 17 2012 23:31. Posts 138 | Profile # |
On June 17 2012 23:21 Mataru wrote:
I just finished the the 5th book and the epilogue was pretty cool, though I was sad that we didn't get a new chapter from Alayne or Littlefinger himself. I find the Littlefinger storyline really interesting, and I can't wait to see how he is gonna keep maneuvering to gain even higher position. He is already taking control of most of the Vale of Arryn, and with Sansa under his control he will probably try to gain control over the North aswell, somehow. I wonder if he will try to throw in with Jon Connington and Aegon, though probably he will just work on his own shadow game and try to take advantage of the carnage that will no doubt soon ensue.
I agree that the 4th book was a bit weaker than the previous three, but towards the end of the 5th things really started heating up again for me. At this point I'm pretty excited about all the storylines. Dany mounting Drogon in the pit was a real nice moment for her, as she finally steps up and comes into her own. From now on I hope she will be a badass riding around on dragons and burning the shit of out stuff. Brienne and Jaime stuff is really intriguing, I feel like an unlikely romance might blossom there, and Brienne said she had found Sansa? Can't wait to find out about that. Tyrion keeps wriggling his way out of dangerous situations and his chapters are always fun to read anyway. Would be cool to see him back in Westeros on the side of Aegon or Dany against his own family. Jon getting stabbed had me almost screaming NO! but something tells me he won't actually die.
Overall there is awesome shit going on all over, now I'm gonna read book 4 prologue again and see if the description of the assassin dude really matches with Jaquen's. I never really got the signifigance of that prologue before.
Dafuq? Jaime and Brienne on a romance? I think she is taking him to get killed/revived like Cat or to start serving Cat or something, I just have a feeling something even worse is going to happen to Jaime. |
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| Steveling Greece. June 17 2012 23:33. Posts 3229 | Profile Blog # |
On June 17 2012 23:21 Mataru wrote:
Brienne and Jaime stuff is really intriguing, I feel like an unlikely romance might blossom there, and Brienne said she had found Sansa? Can't wait to find out about that.
I strongly believe that Brienne lied to Jaime in order to get him in front of the zombie-Catelyn and receive judgement.
Zombie-catelyn had said Brienne that she would absolve her from treason if she'd bring her a lannister.
That also fits with everything we know form the Alayne chapters, where Sansa was safe and sound in the Vale. |
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| Incognoto France. June 17 2012 23:40. Posts 1667 | Profile Blog # |
On June 17 2012 23:33 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 23:21 Mataru wrote:
Brienne and Jaime stuff is really intriguing, I feel like an unlikely romance might blossom there, and Brienne said she had found Sansa? Can't wait to find out about that.
I strongly believe that Brienne lied to Jaime in order to get him in front of the zombie-Catelyn and receive judgement. Zombie-catelyn had said Brienne that she would absolve her from treason if she'd bring her a lannister. That also fits with everything we know form the Alayne chapters, where Sansa was safe and sound in the Vale.
That doesn't sound honorable. Which is surprising coming from Brienne.
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| Mataru Norway. June 17 2012 23:57. Posts 288 | Profile # |
| I suppose that does make sense, but I got the feeling Brienne had come to respect Jaime immensely, maybe even to the point of having romantic feelings for him. I don't think she values her own life above her honor, but then again she might feel more morally obligated to Catlyn than Jaime. Also, Jaime, having never had any other woman than Cersei, finding out that she has been sleeping around and overall grown quite distanced from her, may find something in the woman who is the complete opposite of Cersei. Perhaps I am just hoping really hard that Jaime won't be killed by zombie-Catlyn for the crimes (mostly) of others. The only real dispicable thing Jaime has done as far as I can remember is throwing Bran from the window. After I learned the real reason why Jaime killed Aerys, he has been one of the most badass characters in the books for me. |
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| hooahah June 17 2012 23:59. Posts 1181 | Profile # |
Brienne telling Jaime about Sansa was just her way of luring him to Catelyn. Considering he's been missing since I'd say he was killed but I can't believe GRRM would kill him off screen like that.
edit: welp that's what I get for responding lateLast edit: 2012-06-18 00:00:19 |
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| hooahah June 18 2012 00:02. Posts 1181 | Profile # |
as for Jon: He's alive. Remember the Azor Ahai prophecy. Between smoke and salt, under a bleeding star, Azor Ahai will be reborn.
Reread that scene - salt from the tears, smoke from the wound, and blood from the dying knight's star emblem... |
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| Mataru Norway. June 18 2012 00:15. Posts 288 | Profile # |
I always thought it was obvious that Daenerys was Azor Ahai reborn. Born amongst smoke and salt at Dragonstone, she litteraly woke dragons from stone. That is an interesting theory though, and fitting with Jon supposedly being Rhagar's son.
Edit: I guess you could also say she was reborn in Drogo's pyre, with her dragons.Last edit: 2012-06-18 00:17:27 |
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| moopie June 18 2012 00:17. Posts 12503 | Profile # | |
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| Mataru Norway. June 18 2012 00:32. Posts 288 | Profile # |
| Well I'll be damned. Some of those theories seem a little thin though. It is almost certainly not Stannis, and Victarion seems an unlikely choice aswell. The Dragon must have three heads, they keep saying. Perhaps Jon, Daenerys and Aegon are all parts of the prophecy, together they embody the spirit of Azor Ahai reborn. They are supposedly the only 3 remaining Targaryens, and Daenerys has a dragon for each. The fierly sword might well be an analogy for the dragons fire. Last edit: 2012-06-18 00:33:54 |
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