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On June 05 2011 14:03 Jimbooo wrote: What reason does a townie have to ask such a question? A townie would ask the question in order to understand the game clearly. To defeat thine enemy, thou must know thine enemy. He needed to be sure whether the mafia had the power to coordinate or was as in the dark as townies are. And from having played SC2'sMafia, it seems to me like a question I'd be tempted to ask regardless of my role considering many of us are new to TL-Mafia (this is a game for "new players"). We shouldn't be rash. Haste makes waste. We still have many hours of this day left. I agree he is quite suspicious, but he could just be trying to confirm how the game operates. Perhaps SC2Mafia has made me adverse to random lynching. Unlike Jimbooo and cherubael, I'm not going to vote this soon. Now seeing his updated response, of "All I can say", freeloader does feel more suspicious to me. Especially because I feel like the reverse is true in SC2Mafia, where people blindly trust the first people to speak not lynch them. I'm going to sleep now, but still not convinced beyond a doubt there's enough to bother 'sleeping on.' | ||
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On June 05 2011 23:07 Jackal58 wrote: Kurumi is insane. I've never seen anybody tunnel the entire player roster at one time before. I do not understand what you mean by this, sorry. Can you clarify whether "insane" is a good thing or a bad thing in this context; and what does "tunnel the roster" mean? On June 05 2011 23:07 Jackal58 wrote: The rest of you I do not know. Merhaba, nice to meet all of you. On June 06 2011 01:17 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Vain you make me look silly in your summary, but its great otherwise. I quickly made a list of inactive people, you can ignore the numbers. 5. cherubael 12. Aril 14. TheKK 16. heist 17. Sprungjeezy 29. DeMorcerf 31. Kurumi Those people have all made posts as well, some have made quite a few posts. | ||
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On June 06 2011 01:32 TheAwesomeAll wrote: DeMorcef thanks a lot, how do you check it? or do you just remember? Just remembered them and double checked to be certain. I'm trying to read carefully and remember people, but with 40 people and 5 pages already for day 1, I think it's going to get difficult for me. ---- We are still waiting for clarification on the KP of Mafia, right? | ||
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On June 06 2011 01:58 Varpulis wrote: Mafia has #/2 kp. Starting mafia kp is 4. Correct me if I'm wrong, Meapak Would that round up or down when # is odd? | ||
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On June 06 2011 12:47 Treadmill wrote: + Show Spoiler + One really big point - if you're going to quote a really long post it'd be great if you could put it in spoiler tags (just a formatting issue but helps to clean up the page a fair bit). Meaning you, iGrok. @CjrNinja Can you confirm that the role PM for mafia members spells out that mafia can communicate by PM? If this is true than obviously mafia wouldn't post that question and I'll change my vote from freeloader. Otherwise, though, he seems even more scummy to me now. I didn't vote for him cause he asked a silly question, it was how he replied to scrutiny. Or he simply cannot extract himself from the excitement that is MLG, I know I couldn't for most of this weekend. I think that the reasoning that has come forth from some of the experienced players should convince us to leave freeloader for now and concentrate on others --- I agree with Alderan's suspicions of Amazingxkcd (posts that just repeat the description of the game) and Grush57 (confusing contradictions) and the strange hasty back and forth behavior of Jimboo pointed out by TranceStorm. On June 06 2011 11:43 redFF wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 11:23 GMarshal wrote: This. We self moderate. For the love of god, don't use the report button in this subforum. qft -___________- I quote this to point of that redFF's only post in the game is just this one-liner spam. Perhaps he is too busy in his other mafia game to contribute something more useful to his post, but then he should have waited until he had more time to post. | ||
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On June 06 2011 21:31 supersoft wrote: guys this is getting really complicated with these XXL posts :D i'll draw a mindmap of all this when i am at home. when does the night beginn? (typing this from my iphone) Is posting lengthy analytical posts something uncommon and wrong to this type of game? The following is written in a format where gtrsrs is the direct audience but for everyone to consider: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 17:45 gtrsrs wrote: freeloader is obvious town but everyone is bandwagoning on him we need to get some votes on other people. it's a psychological thing. if you see that everyone has voted for freeloader you're going to vote for him too so you don't look fishy. if there are some votes spread around you're more likely to vote for someone you think is actually mafia i initially FoS'd iGrok because of the haiku thing and his horribly pretentious posts. i felt like they were derailing the thread and i didn't have a good read on anyone else after he tried to incriminate kurumi who is being extremely pro-town, i double my suspicions that iGrok is the mafia we want. he's trying to use pretty formatting to make it look like his wild guess is better than anyone else's wild guess - he's intentionally trying to mislead the town. i got a lucky guess and FoS'd the right guy, it's quite clear. don't believe me? help me pressure him and watch him crack fishing for blues is scummy, he's setting a bad example. i don't see how public knowledge of how many blues there (could be) are could ever help the town. he's doing the mafia's job for them, right in front of our eyes. i don't have a personal vendetta by any means. in fact, you'll notice it's he who is trying to minimize me in the eyes of the other townies by pointing out that i'm not "experienced" on TL mafia, and blatantly calling my posts bad. gtrsrs, I cannot disagree with you more. I do not take Kurumi's abrasive and chaotic tone and posts (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9636913) as "extremely pro-town" but as distracting and anti-town. How does throwing out abrasive and crude accusations like candy at Halloween help the town focus in on mafia? The only thing Kurumi has succeeded in doing from where I sit is cause me to distrust him by his attitude; that is to say, if this were battle.net's Mafia I would say screw the game and lynch Kurumi for being so distasteful, but it's not and we need to be more discerning than that and I can only hope that Kurumi becomes more considerate and analytical and less emotional. Please stop repeating your accusation at iGrok of "fishing for blues". He is not trying to fish out or hunt down and expose any town power roles. He never did. What he has done is given us posts guiding newer players in how town should think and act to succeed. (in posts like this one for an example) He has given us a fair analysis of the likely setup and state of the game. Something I'm certain any mafia would be discussing amongst themselves since the start. Sure, you're right the mafia wants to know how many medics and cops there are, but the town needs to have some idea in the back of their minds too. Either way, its still a mystery to everyone, but iGrok is providing players new to TL Mafia with an idea of how typical TL games are set up. (Also, as Treadmill noted (not that I trust him), but if iGrok has experience you aren't going to get him to break down in "A Few Good Men"-Jack Nicholson-style by pressuring him with your votes.) As for yourself, + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 13:35 gtrsrs wrote: west west y'all i'm out for the night to my girlfriend's house but i'll be back on tomorrow to analyze the shit out of your posts and scumhunt like a bloodhound The game had literally just started so I'm not sure I see the purpose in this having been posted. + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: hi everyone i'm back my thoughts so far: - jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing - freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking: and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT? - unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today - if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) - voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread. - there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly. - posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy - kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much (also no offense to kurumi) - from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. ##vote: iGrok This was a fairly helpful townie post, I suppose. You suggest that we read Jackal carefully as he is informative/experienced (I'm not sure when Jackal was ever abrasive as you suggest, maybe in other games?), and warn us to letting experienced players sheep us. Yet, you tell us to post votes in this thread when the opening rules tell us specifically to vote "only" in the voting thread. However, it's odd to compare this post with your later ones. Here you complain about the previous posts being short one-liners and then you more recently use the fact that iGrok does the opposite of posting lengthy in-depth posts as a reason he is scummy... ? On June 06 2011 04:59 gtrsrs wrote: i have a reason i most certainly did ... Was that a worthwhile post with "more explaining please?", GGQ was looking for clarification and further logic, but you just ignored him and acted as if it was completely unnecessary. On June 06 2011 15:31 gtrsrs wrote: for the record, fishing for blues is scummy you're still my prime FoS, iGrok, no matter how long your post is This exemplifies what I was referring to previously. On June 06 2011 16:04 gtrsrs wrote: here is my scum hunt you post haiku's in a game where posting anything more than necessary is distracting and derailing you try to find the town's blues so that the mafia can know what they're up against the one thing that the town has as an advantage is that the mafia doesn't know our PRs and here you are spelling the info out for them even if you're not mafia, your two biggest contributions so far are anti-town everyone i encourage you to ##vote: iGrok and watch how he (and others) react as the votes pile up. putting the pressure on someone is a good way to find mafia. watch the people that come to defend him and how they do so and then when he flips red, go after them next Are you that annoyed with iGrok or did you just not read All of his posts carefully and with an open-mind? Those are not his only two biggest contributions as I stated above. The mafia does know what the roles are, they are on page one, and the mafia is certainly discussing the likely number of each role as iGrok did for the town's benefit (when I have played any mafia game, I always play with a role list open somewhere on the screen to keep constant track; this is helpful info). I really wish we could stop arguing about his haiku, they were an amusing change of pace, distraction maybe, but they actually were related to his discussions as opening summaries and he stopped when asked to do so. You are asking for a bandwagon on him? On June 06 2011 16:11 gtrsrs wrote: in fact i think kurumi is doing the right thing. we have nothing to go on on day 1. there are a lot of inexperienced players. lots of times if a new player is mafia and you insinuate that they're mafia they get really defensive. even if they know that you're accusing everyone, new players can slip up when you get around to accusing them. so i think kurumi is just trying to shake out some baddie mafias. I understand your reasoning here, and it's not bad. But I think the chaotic and rude nature of Kurumi in the end is more harmful with so many new players than it is helpful because those new players are not likely to know how to react or trust any slips that come out. The way Kurumi went about it, just doesn't seem helpful in any manner to me because his posts just grated me more than anything else. + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: note, town, how now that i am FoSing iGrok more publicly, he's attempting to discredit me as he starts to panic. even though he LITERALLY just told you to not let kurumi sheep you and use experience as a reason to put him in a position of power, he's now going to attempt to do the exact same thing. classic sheeping attempt here, he points out that i'm not a well-known figure on the mafia sub-forum. good play is good play, you don't have to be an experienced player to pick up on a scumtell. but iGrok is going to call me a bad player and pretend to ignore me. notice how he will now try to shift the attention of the town elsewhere - probably by using a 9000-character post again on an "analysis" of someone else don't fall for his passive-aggressive tricks, town I didn't sense iGrok being either aggressive, tricky or passive-aggressive. Maybe I'm missing it, maybe it's a result of your frame of reference since you two are arguing over his and Kurumi's statements. Haha, 9000, what has that DBZ meme done to the world of exaggeration, but again not so long ago you said that posts should be long and helpful not short empty nothingness, but now that you're in a spitting-match logic is out the window? + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 17:03 gtrsrs wrote: i don't need to say much here, iGrok pretty much said it all for me put some pressure on him town! Is this an empty post that just promotes this bandwagon you are trying to form? I'm not saying you are mafia, gtrsrs, I'm just saying I disagree with you and think your witch-hunt against iGrok is off-base. I'm finding you more suspicious than him. I do think it is likely one of you, kurumi, or maybe iGrok is a scum, but I think its more likely you and/or kurumi. Maybe I'm off-base, if so no doubt we'll get to read contrary analysis and arguments soon. | ||
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On June 06 2011 23:03 monsterDrakar wrote: Of everything posted so far in this thread so far, the only useful bit of info is the first part of iGrok's analysis regarding the possible distribution of roles. I'm sure that all posts from Day1 will become invaluable as the game progresses and a lot of analysis will be done based on them, but for now they mean nothing. As far as I am concerned even if someone publicly declares themselves Godfather they still have a 20% of being mafia. Random lynch is random lynch. I see that I have managed to draw some votes for myself - which is always welcome. The interesting thing is that several people in here have said my voting of TheAwesomeAll is not legitimate because they cannot understand my argument. I don't really know how to respond to that. I feel that I made myself pretty clear. Do I need to use over 26000 characters to get a simple point across? If you really don't understand it you are either not very smart or are I just hit a nerve and you are trying to protect your scum buddy. Seriously, I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, but they don't really disagree, they state that they don't understand my argument. Here are some examples. supersoft + Show Spoiler + voted for him because he voted against theawesomeall with a poor reason. I think theawesomeall -with his list - is obviously a scary player for mafiosi and other people that don't want to be in the spotlight. CjrNinja + Show Spoiler + He made a list, and he’s checking it twice. No big deal, a good way to keep track of people who haven’t contributed much, if anything Xedat + Show Spoiler + I will vote for Monsterdrakar because his reason for voting theawesomeall (Lists of inactives are bad) is stupid and I think that contributing should not be met with pointless allegations. Now here is the edited version of my argument against TheAwesomeAll. What happened? 12 hours after the start of the game the player in question makes a post including a list with innactives. At that time a large portion of the players have not even seen the thread. The posted list itself is not accurate, even after being updated once. What has the player done for himself? He has made himself appear useful, even helpful to the town. Is he really? Even if we ignore the facts that it was way too early for such kind of a list and the list itself was not accurate at all, you cant ignore the fact that a list with innactives is useless in its very nature - innactives will be modkilled. End of story. Here is a fake quote illustrating the situation - "Hey guys, see this awesome list I made, I took the time and I made and effort to contribute, unlike those other bad innactives". Why did I vote for that player? I vote for TheAwesomeAll because he has made a fake contribution to the thread, with which he is trying to demonstrate a pro-town behavior. It seems like he managed to decieve some people that he was really helping. Or are they his mafia buddies looking out for him? Interesting question.... Yes, monsterD, it appears to me that AwesomeAll posted that list as if trying to be helpful but either 1) he hadn't actually read the thread, or 2) he purposefully was trying to be distracting. I think 1 is makes more sense, but why would he post if he didn't actually understand/know what had happened to that point because he is totally new to mafia, because he wants to gain cred for looking helpful, because he is foolish? From his profile, we can see, AwesomeAll has no prior TLMafia experience and, at the time of a May 20th post by him, had never played any mafia at all. So, there is a chance he's just really new and foolish due to inexperience. Perhaps, he was excited to play and got overanxious trying to contribute with something of this manner because the list was certainly so early in the day as to be of little help. It's suspicious enough to deserve a watchful eye, but I'm not convinced enough to lynch yet. If he doesn't prove a more useful player then I'll agree with you. | ||
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On June 06 2011 17:43 Drazerk wrote: Ok yesterday i was quite busy and made my vote without explaining i read freeloaders post and it came to me as quite a large failure on his half although and bought into treadmills words who was pretty much slating him at this point for it who in turn im now suspecting after reading everything again Ill follow this up later just wanted to post my thoughts at the moment On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 02:56 Alderan wrote: But you agree that it shouldn't be freeloader? Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). He posted once when he made his unvote on freeloader before he voted for treadmill. I agree and am doing the same. He claims to be very busy, but I don't believe him, he's had over 1000 posts and been online throughout this whole Day 1 -- trying to pass us by without a word. | ||
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On June 07 2011 09:08 Drazerk wrote: Hell i can explain for them, Ive been lurking for the better part of this first day and i voted without saying anything When i got up this morning I did make a small post but nothing major bar changing my vote from freeloader to treadmill after reading all the posts and believing he was not scum With my erratic voting / posting pattern i would not be surprised if more people voted for me though and ill try to make amends tomorrow I'm currently counting 10 votes for Rookie44, that was fast. Based on several of those being, "see you later, final votes," I think Rookie is as good as dead. I'll agree that most of his posts are very confusing to me with poor wording. Is he mafia, I don't know. Heist, however, I know iGrok and I had voted for Drazerk for the reason you can find here on page 26. In his relatively empty first 2 posts he mentions, I'm busy, I'll follow up later with deeper thoughts --Never happened; and "I'll try to make amends tomorrow", which I doubt very much either because tomorrow is the night cycle and he appears to be avoiding saying much and avoiding substance altogether. He has had more than enough time during Day 1 to post literally around 1000 times on other threads, but no real time to actually make any attempt to appear as a town or help us. No one else has explained why he isn't scummy, and I don't see how they could. Even he cannot deny that he was lurking, avoiding talking and attention, and a suspicious voter; if he tried to deny it, he'd appear even worse. That is why in spite of any suspicions on freeloader and Rookie, I'm sticking with my gut that whether or not those two are mafia, Drazerk certainly seems to reek of scum. | ||
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On June 07 2011 11:55 Varpulis wrote: iGrok the + Show Spoiler + You think I was joking? I was. 1 hour remains in the day. Remember to vote! Varpulis, you really confused me there. If someone is modkilled for not posting, but had voted, does their vote get thrown out or still count in the lynching? Freeloader, why would Rookie make a second account to play this game? They would know if it was a smurf. My account is brand new, I only read the forums until I decided I wanted to start playing mafia, does that make me a lying smurf? I apologize, that was rude, but I'm just saying that you are wrong about that point. Clicker with the last minute post to avoid death, welcome to the game, but you still might get modkilled for forgetting the voting thread. Sadly seems like a lot of players will get modkilled today. As to the call from Heist for a mass of vote switching from third-party candidates... I don't think enough people are going to be online still before the deadline to get anyone else to have more votes than Rookie's 9 if that's what you were hoping for, heist. | ||
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On June 07 2011 20:42 iGrok wrote: Technically, you don't have to post, just vote. Doesn't sound that way according to the Rules? On May 29 2011 06:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: + Show Spoiler + *Varpulis is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself. TL Mafia XL + Show Spoiler [Important Posts] + Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance. Rules: Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe. Posting: Mod Font: This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it. Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything. Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. + Show Spoiler + Smurfs: On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts. Note: I will NOT allow any smurfs whatsoever. This is meant to be a learning game for new people and if I catch wind that anyone is smurfing they will not be playing for a long time. Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. Play to win. You have been warned. Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread, located here. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Signups: This game is open to new players only. If you’ve played more than two games please do not sign up for this one. Since the forum is now open I’d like as many vets as possible to please PM me and offer their services as coaches for the new people. Game-specific rules: Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Qatol or post in the Ban List. Clues: There are no clues. PMs PMs are not allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 16:00 GMT (+00:00) but that is subject to change. Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to BloodyC0bbler and Qatol who helped balance this game. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance! This section is bold red because everyone needs to read it. | ||
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Thanks for the memories, fellow players. Thanks for the game, Meapak_Ziphh and Varpulis. | ||
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