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| GMarshal United States. June 06 2011 11:00. Posts 20816 | Profile Blog # |
Final Vote Count, day 1
Mataza (0)
Varpulis
Palmar
prplhz (1)
dementrio
youngminii(0)
JeeJee
Palmar
unichan(0)
Kavdragon
youngminii
stefftastiq (0)
youngminii
Varpulis
sinani206
OriginalName
sinani206(7)
prplhz
Palmar
Mataza
stefftastiq
unichan
Varpulis
OriginalName
Kavdragon
Palmar(0)
Varpulis
unichan
youngminii
Kavdragon(0)
Varpulis
OriginalName(4)
Varpulis
sinani206
youngminii
Palmar
JeeJee
Sinani to be lynched.
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| sinani206 United States. June 06 2011 11:01. Posts 1649 | Profile Blog # | |
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| GMarshal United States. June 06 2011 11:01. Posts 20816 | Profile Blog # |
Night 1
The villagers had been up since early in the morning. Desperately they had argued and wrangled amongst themselves trying to find scum. With decision time fast approaching, a wooden gibbet was hastily erected in the town square and the mob looked desperately around for a likely target.
They settled on Sinani206. Despite his protests, he was hauled up onto a box and a noose tied around his neck. With the crowd screaming for blood the box was kicked away. His neck snapped and blue blood spilled to the ground.
The Mafia silently congratulated themselves. They were still heavily outnumbered but they had taken the first step. The villagers went to their beds disheartened, but they had to keep fighting. This wasn't over yet. Not by a long shot.
Sinani206 the Veteran has been lynched.
It is now Night 1! You have 24 hours to send in your night actions. Please send them to both myself and DropBearLast edit: 2011-06-06 11:02:01 |
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| OriginalName Canada. June 06 2011 11:03. Posts 999 | Profile Blog # |
...shit
sorry if i offended you sin. |
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| youngminii Australia. June 06 2011 11:03. Posts 7347 | Profile Blog # |
sinani, you played pretty terribly, not for the reasons everyone else is saying (well kinda)
you should definitely have a bit more content in your posts, you made yourself a very, very easy target. you shouldn't EVER give up with a "whatever" attitude, you should be defending yourself to the end. your entire defence was mounted by me, and that's just unacceptable. you can't rely on having someone else risk their reputation to save you just because they think you're not scum. you have to mass appeal to everyone else.
in any case, this sucks. palmar and prplhz on huge fos because they (warning: theory) both tried to absolve themselves in the end, realising that they were about to lynch a vet and didn't want to have their hands covered in blood |
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| Kavdragon United States. June 06 2011 11:04. Posts 1222 | Profile Blog # |
Fail. Sorry Sinani, shoulda stuck with my first instinct that you were too easily bandwagoned.
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| sinani206 United States. June 06 2011 11:06. Posts 1649 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Palmar Iceland. June 06 2011 11:06. Posts 7579 | Profile Blog # |
yah, too easy.
We have something to work with now, but sadly not enough. |
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| youngminii Australia. June 06 2011 11:28. Posts 7347 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2011 11:06 Palmar wrote:
yah, too easy.
We have something to work with now, but sadly not enough.
We have quite a bit actually.
Bear with me while I concoct a theory out of my conspiracy hat.
+ Show Spoiler [Theory #1] +Palmar, Mataza and some lurker (probably steff or unichan) are mafia. For the sake of being absolute, I'll choose steff. I hope to be at correct in at least 2/3 of these. Note that prplhz actually started the vote on Sinani. In my opinion it is just a misguided townie post trying to think too hard about who a scum could be. Palmar confuses me in that he played like a complete retard in the first few posts then straightened up. I'm guessing he uses this 'full retard' to accuse Mataza for absolutely no reason, knowing full well that nobody would actually support his lynch since it was completely unfounded. I'm thinking that they were just overeager when they both got mafia and made up some sort of gameplan and they included this at the start. Palmar also basically accuses everyone but doesn't really act on anything, except voting me (lol) and then moving on to someone who already had a vote on him. I mean, most of his reasoning against voting Sinani was meta. He's been using meta over and over again in his accusations today. Palmar, if you are town, I sincerely implore you never to use meta ever again. It is an unreliable way of playing and should only be exercised in advanced levels. Trust me, from experience I know for a fact that meta does not work (unless you're a crazy veteran pro). Palmar tries to absolve himself at the end by switching to OriginalName. Mataza is not online. As for steff, all I can say is
@Sinani
Yaah, OMGUS vote - well - you arent giving me something to work with - I am actually afraid that you are a townie being lynched for overacting and pointing to much fingers - but I still find you way to scummy to vote for someone else right now? just your behaviour to try to pin votes on me was a scummy kind of way to do it - its ok to say inactivity, but when that argument isnt valid anymore - you should really try to find something else that atleast might put me in a scummy light? or maybe change opinion and try to work out whats best for town and find someone who actually is scum. but you wont....
also what you bring to the thread is like its pointed out in originalnames post, pretty thin - and now that you are "in the chair" - it doesnt really look like you try to step it up to do something.
theres 4 hours untill the voting ends - and you say its like "OMGUS" vote for me to vote for you - im not just basing my vote on you because you are voting for me, theres the pattern of all your behaviour - and that is kind of my point
I'll be working on this theory over the next few days but for now take it with a grain of salt.
And right now I'm extremely uncomfortable with unichan/steff/jeejee's lurkerish activity. If they are mafia they're just skirting by under the radar. |
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| JeeJee Canada. June 06 2011 11:29. Posts 5325 | Profile Blog # |
Bleh, wish I'd gotten back earlier. Still, without knowing the future, I don't think sinani was that terrible of a choice given his list-oriented playstyle, and at least we got some solid discussion to look back on.
Shall we turn to discussing good prot and cop targets?
Intuitively I'd go with Varp or Palmar as I feel both have played very townie so far, and are also quite active. But from mafia's point of view, they may be 'too obvious' hits and they might go for secondary townie players that are perhaps less active but stir up discussion such as kavdragon or myself.
In general from a doc perspective, I'd look for someone that's making good arguments, staying fairly active, and urging discussion along. Pick among those as you see fit, my 4 choices are up there.
And minii would make a great cop check imho.
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| OriginalName Canada. June 06 2011 11:32. Posts 999 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2011 11:28 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:06 Palmar wrote:
yah, too easy.
We have something to work with now, but sadly not enough.
We have quite a bit actually. Bear with me while I concoct a theory out of my conspiracy hat. + Show Spoiler [Theory #1] +Palmar, Mataza and some lurker (probably steff or unichan) are mafia. For the sake of being absolute, I'll choose steff. I hope to be at correct in at least 2/3 of these. Note that prplhz actually started the vote on Sinani. In my opinion it is just a misguided townie post trying to think too hard about who a scum could be. Palmar confuses me in that he played like a complete retard in the first few posts then straightened up. I'm guessing he uses this 'full retard' to accuse Mataza for absolutely no reason, knowing full well that nobody would actually support his lynch since it was completely unfounded. I'm thinking that they were just overeager when they both got mafia and made up some sort of gameplan and they included this at the start. Palmar also basically accuses everyone but doesn't really act on anything, except voting me (lol) and then moving on to someone who already had a vote on him. I mean, most of his reasoning against voting Sinani was meta. He's been using meta over and over again in his accusations today. Palmar, if you are town, I sincerely implore you never to use meta ever again. It is an unreliable way of playing and should only be exercised in advanced levels. Trust me, from experience I know for a fact that meta does not work (unless you're a crazy veteran pro). Palmar tries to absolve himself at the end by switching to OriginalName. Mataza is not online. As for steff, all I can say is
@Sinani
Yaah, OMGUS vote - well - you arent giving me something to work with - I am actually afraid that you are a townie being lynched for overacting and pointing to much fingers - but I still find you way to scummy to vote for someone else right now? just your behaviour to try to pin votes on me was a scummy kind of way to do it - its ok to say inactivity, but when that argument isnt valid anymore - you should really try to find something else that atleast might put me in a scummy light? or maybe change opinion and try to work out whats best for town and find someone who actually is scum. but you wont....
also what you bring to the thread is like its pointed out in originalnames post, pretty thin - and now that you are "in the chair" - it doesnt really look like you try to step it up to do something.
theres 4 hours untill the voting ends - and you say its like "OMGUS" vote for me to vote for you - im not just basing my vote on you because you are voting for me, theres the pattern of all your behaviour - and that is kind of my point
I'll be working on this theory over the next few days but for now take it with a grain of salt. And right now I'm extremely uncomfortable with unichan/steff/jeejee's lurkerish activity. If they are mafia they're just skirting by under the radar.
Im actually liking that theory minus the first bit, i think its someone in plain sight rather than a lurker, someone who is really not being scrutinized at all and is currently flying well under the radar. |
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| youngminii Australia. June 06 2011 11:33. Posts 7347 | Profile Blog # |
Don't know if I'm the best cop check. I think it may be safe to play the next day or two assuming I'm town, no? I mean unless you really think my play is really scummy, but there's definitely better people to check imo, especially:
Palmar. He's nearing the top of my scum list but there's a little voice in the back of my head telling me he's just a crappy town player. If we can get a cop to check him I'd be a lot more reassured. |
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| OriginalName Canada. June 06 2011 11:35. Posts 999 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2011 11:33 youngminii wrote:
Don't know if I'm the best cop check. I think it may be safe to play the next day or two assuming I'm town, no? I mean unless you really think my play is really scummy, but there's definitely better people to check imo, especially:
Palmar. He's nearing the top of my scum list but there's a little voice in the back of my head telling me he's just a crappy town player. If we can get a cop to check him I'd be a lot more reassured.
I actually like the following for cop checks:
Varpulis: Accuses damn near everyone.
Palmer: Youngminii is probably on the right track here.
Kavdragon: Purely because we really have jack on him right now. |
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| JeeJee Canada. June 06 2011 11:41. Posts 5325 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2011 11:33 youngminii wrote:
Don't know if I'm the best cop check. I think it may be safe to play the next day or two assuming I'm town, no? I mean unless you really think my play is really scummy, but there's definitely better people to check imo, especially:
Palmar. He's nearing the top of my scum list but there's a little voice in the back of my head telling me he's just a crappy town player. If we can get a cop to check him I'd be a lot more reassured.
It's a (surprisingly) good thought.
In general, at least the way I play cop, there's 2 things I look at
1) Someone that the town finds suspicious. I put you up as a cop check because I find you suspicious
2) The other good candidate is someone that's really active. It's pretty obvious that the most active people stir and lead discussion, and if they're mafia, it's very easy to lead the town astray. So someone like Palmar as you mentioned might be a good choice as well. This choice is inherently more risky of course, since mafia are also looking to kill off these people, so the cop might end up wasting their check, but it's a good approach nonetheless. I'd put this as a higher risk/reward option. |
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| unichan United States. June 06 2011 11:52. Posts 2988 | Profile Blog # |
Wow, damn.
For cop checks I'd say -
Palmar: Still can't get his first day bs out of my head.
Youngminii: The other guy who I had suspicions of. |
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| youngminii Australia. June 06 2011 12:11. Posts 7347 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2011 11:41 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:33 youngminii wrote:
Don't know if I'm the best cop check. I think it may be safe to play the next day or two assuming I'm town, no? I mean unless you really think my play is really scummy, but there's definitely better people to check imo, especially:
Palmar. He's nearing the top of my scum list but there's a little voice in the back of my head telling me he's just a crappy town player. If we can get a cop to check him I'd be a lot more reassured.
It's a (surprisingly) good thought. In general, at least the way I play cop, there's 2 things I look at 1) Someone that the town finds suspicious. I put you up as a cop check because I find you suspicious 2) The other good candidate is someone that's really active. It's pretty obvious that the most active people stir and lead discussion, and if they're mafia, it's very easy to lead the town astray. So someone like Palmar as you mentioned might be a good choice as well. This choice is inherently more risky of course, since mafia are also looking to kill off these people, so the cop might end up wasting their check, but it's a good approach nonetheless. I'd put this as a higher risk/reward option.
Well I mean, if the town is coordinating the detective check, mafia is probably going to (OH GOD I'M GONNA MAKE WIFOM) kill the person we agree to check. I mean if they don't, they're just stupid.
In any case, I'm going to lean on the fact that I defended sinani from the start to remove any suspicions on me for now. I don't know exactly why you think I'm suspicious and I don't really want to know right now (in favour of other discussion) so try to look at the fact that I defended sinani, sinani flipped blue, and postpone your suspicion on me.
I think the general consensus is to check Palmar for now, hopefully it turns out to be eventful.
@OriginalName I think Mataza is pretty scummy and flying under the radar to be honest, no point in acting on this yet though. |
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| Varpulis United States. June 06 2011 12:11. Posts 2356 | Profile Blog # |
sorry guys. Something came up, wasn't there for the last hour. Should've switched my vote, my bad. I'd welcome a cop checking me, as long as I'm not miller (fingers crossed).
There is a difference between accusations and pressure. I was pressuring pretty much everybody, and it was to spread out and sporadic to have any real effect. It's not that I accused everybody of scum. i accused plenty of people of playing poorly, but bad play != scum. Bad play should be rectified, hence all my pressure on players who were lurking/not making sense.
It sucks that sinani flipped town, but in a way it was a good thing. There was plenty of discussion about him, and I think it will be important to see who gave a lackluster "what they said" reason and joined the bandwagon. |
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| Varpulis United States. June 06 2011 12:17. Posts 2356 | Profile Blog # |
I'm cool with accepting that youngminii is town for now. Cops should check me or Palmar, I'd say. I joined the bandwagon on Sinani then didn't change my vote (despite coming up with the plan to mass switch to ON, fail by me) and have been overly aggressive, and Palmar played terribly for half the day until we called him out for it.
I'm leaning town for Palmar, and I know that I'm town, but confirmation would be cool.
Mataza is another possible check, but lower priority. |
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| Varpulis United States. June 06 2011 12:18. Posts 2356 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2011 12:11 Varpulis wrote:
sorry guys. Something came up, wasn't there for the last hour. Should've switched my vote, my bad. I'd welcome a cop checking me, as long as I'm not miller (fingers crossed).
There is a difference between accusations and pressure. I was pressuring pretty much everybody, and it was to spread out and sporadic to have any real effect. It's not that I accused everybody of scum. i accused plenty of people of playing poorly, but bad play != scum. Bad play should be rectified, hence all my pressure on players who were lurking/not making sense.
It sucks that sinani flipped townvet, but in a way it was a good thing. There was plenty of discussion about him, and I think it will be important to see who gave a lackluster "what they said" reason and joined the bandwagon.
EBWOP: Sinani flipped vet. I'm going to bed now. |
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| JeeJee Canada. June 06 2011 12:31. Posts 5325 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2011 12:11 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:41 JeeJee wrote:
On June 06 2011 11:33 youngminii wrote:
Don't know if I'm the best cop check. I think it may be safe to play the next day or two assuming I'm town, no? I mean unless you really think my play is really scummy, but there's definitely better people to check imo, especially:
Palmar. He's nearing the top of my scum list but there's a little voice in the back of my head telling me he's just a crappy town player. If we can get a cop to check him I'd be a lot more reassured.
It's a (surprisingly) good thought. In general, at least the way I play cop, there's 2 things I look at 1) Someone that the town finds suspicious. I put you up as a cop check because I find you suspicious 2) The other good candidate is someone that's really active. It's pretty obvious that the most active people stir and lead discussion, and if they're mafia, it's very easy to lead the town astray. So someone like Palmar as you mentioned might be a good choice as well. This choice is inherently more risky of course, since mafia are also looking to kill off these people, so the cop might end up wasting their check, but it's a good approach nonetheless. I'd put this as a higher risk/reward option.
Well I mean, if the town is coordinating the detective check, mafia is probably going to (OH GOD I'M GONNA MAKE WIFOM) kill the person we agree to check. I mean if they don't, they're just stupid. In any case, I'm going to lean on the fact that I defended sinani from the start to remove any suspicions on me for now. I don't know exactly why you think I'm suspicious and I don't really want to know right now (in favour of other discussion) so try to look at the fact that I defended sinani, sinani flipped blue, and postpone your suspicion on me. I think the general consensus is to check Palmar for now, hopefully it turns out to be eventful. @OriginalName I think Mataza is pretty scummy and flying under the radar to be honest, no point in acting on this yet though.
Just to make sure -- we're not trying to nail down 100% what the cop should check. Just good targets that the cops should consider. Like a list, similar to the potential prot list. If everyone agrees that the cop should check, for example, Palmar, then it opens up a world of useless (imo) discussion, if Palmar doesn't die by morning -- like why didnt he die, mafia should've hit him because our cop checked him. do we not have a cop? is palmar mafia? is he now a guaranteed n2 target? and other nonsense.
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