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 Elegance   Canada. February 27 2012 13:07. Posts 840
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On February 27 2012 13:01 r.Evo wrote:

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What are your sources for "this stuff"? Got some links? I'm mostly wondering how those attitudes are taught and how people try to learn them from an academic point of view.


For me I'd say that I never really learned a lot of lines and stuff like that. It just felt horribly stupid to me to quote something which makes no sense for me. I usually tried to find out what a certain routine or opener tries to convey and then tried to find a story in my life which conveys something similar.

So what I ended up with were very personalized "routines" that were usually hard for others to copy with the same effect because they weren't able to convey them with the same depth.

In retrospect I think this approach is one of the best I've witnessed because it forces you to look at the good things in your life and your strengths. It's also not fake in the slightest and pushes you forward as a person.


PS: I'm pretty damn sure most "officially established" routines and lines had a similar origin as the above. Someone said something that worked, wrote it down and others started using it - obviously ignoring what the original statement really meant for the person who wrote it down.


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LOL. =D

Theres this thing called "Blueprint de-coded by Tyler Durden" (I'm sure you can find it on the net). It's like 20 hours of some dude rambling. After listening to that, it takes time before it really sinks in but its worth it
Power of Ze
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 r.Evo   Germany. February 27 2012 13:12. Posts 5231
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On February 27 2012 13:03 gn0m wrote:

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Yeah and that is my point, this stuff is obvious social behaviour for almost everyone. People can get laid without putting names on various activities. What I meant was that 99 % can go out and interact with girls without explicitly analysing kino escalation. It just comes naturally. PUA didn’t invent pick ups, people have hooked up for thousands of years and will continue to do so, even without attending PUA seminars.




Mhmmm... I agree with you. But I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm trying to say.

Taking calibration as an example. Yeah, obviously everyone is able to exert empathy but almost no one does understand what's going on when he does that and whether or not he could have a cooler life if he would sometimes do something different with a conscious effort.

To bring it away from pickup, if I understand how calibration actually works and how it is achieved I can teach the leader of a group of guys who work for him why he has trouble going along with a certain individual and how he can, with conscious effort, improve the relationship.

Note that this does NOT necessarily mean that he will like that dude more than before (although it's likely) but it will mean that he's able to increase the efficiency of his group by removing a before unknown variable (the "bad" unconscious calibration between him and our guy X).


Back to pickup the goal is the same. By making calibration a conscious process you eliminate the variable of bad calibration for random reasons caused by how you were raised, what your believes are etc., and therefore improve the amount of people you can get along with.

LONGTERM the goal should be to calibrate oneself in a manner that attracts the people you want to have in your life.


Does it make more sense now?


Edit: @Ras: It came from you using "you" in the post he responded to. That offended his manhood.
Last edit: 2012-02-27 13:30:21
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
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 RaspberrySC2   United States. February 27 2012 13:12. Posts 42
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On February 27 2012 13:00 Sogo Otika wrote:

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The same applies for women like you:

+ Show Spoiler +


Where did that come from?

While I generally agree that women need to accept responsibility for their part on birth control... your rant seems to stem from some deep-seeded issues due to it's length and generally being uncalled for.

I am physically fit. I just hate having to do all the work during sex is all. Being with someone who I feel can outmatch me in the fitness department is a huge turn on and I just don't want to bother with guys who are going to end up just laying there.

As for this:
+ Show Spoiler +

You can:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ever since I was a child I have had this instinctive urge for expansion and growth. To me, the function and duty of a quality human being is the sincere and honest development of one's potential. - Bruce Lee
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  Sogo Otika   February 27 2012 13:15. Posts 60Profile # 

On February 27 2012 13:12 RaspberrySC2 wrote:

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Where did that come from?

While I generally agree that women need to accept responsibility for their part on birth control... your rant seems to stem from some deep-seeded issues due to it's length and generally being uncalled for.

I am physically fit. I just hate having to do all the work during sex is all. Being with someone who I feel can outmatch me in the fitness department is a huge turn on and I just don't want to bother with guys who are going to end up just laying there.

As for this:
+ Show Spoiler +

You can:
+ Show Spoiler +


Well then, as for this:

+ Show Spoiler +

You can:

+ Show Spoiler +
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 RaspberrySC2   United States. February 27 2012 13:19. Posts 42
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Sorry your butthurt, Sogo.

Thought this was a thread about improving game? Just letting you know physical fitness is a good thing to go for and why it matters from my perspective.

I get more opportunity because I am in shape, attractive, and can generally offer things that most people can't. Physical fitness is a universally attractive trait (as has been reinforced by Sogo quoting some guy in regards to women).
Ever since I was a child I have had this instinctive urge for expansion and growth. To me, the function and duty of a quality human being is the sincere and honest development of one's potential. - Bruce Lee
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 Elegance   Canada. February 27 2012 13:22. Posts 840
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On February 27 2012 13:19 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
Sorry your butthurt, Sogo.

Thought this was a thread about improving game? Just letting you know physical fitness is a good thing to go for and why it matters from my perspective.

I get more opportunity because I am in shape, attractive, and can generally offer things that most people can't. Physical fitness is a universally attractive trait (as has been reinforced by Sogo quoting some guy in regards to women).

However, if a considerablly attractive (attractive, not hot) dude who was not physically fit was down, you would lay with him. Just ask yourself, there are plenty of non-fit people in this world that you probably would be down to fuck with (such as actors). My point is that women have standards....for men who are below them. Men who are of more value do not have to be filtered through such things.
Power of Ze
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 Kh0rne   Australia. February 27 2012 13:23. Posts 85
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I have a personal issue. not exactly PUA. But there seems to be some good (and bad) advice going around.

I am generally pretty good at anything i try my hand at. I just dont (cant?) care about it.

example. I work full time at a job i dont particularly like. It pays the bills & funds the other more enjoyable parts of my life. I could do it better and earn more. I could find another job that i enjoy.

I know that i could and should do these things. But i dont care.



This stance is mirrored in other aspects of my life. (including PUA) I could improve most of them. but i just dont give a shit.

any inputs? Clearly this is not normal behaviour (or is it? wtf)
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 scaban84   United States. February 27 2012 13:27. Posts 952
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On February 27 2012 13:23 Kh0rne wrote:
I have a personal issue. not exactly PUA. But there seems to be some good (and bad) advice going around.

I am generally pretty good at anything i try my hand at. I just dont (cant?) care about it.

example. I work full time at a job i dont particularly like. It pays the bills & funds the other more enjoyable parts of my life. I could do it better and earn more. I could find another job that i enjoy.

I know that i could and should do these things. But i dont care.



This stance is mirrored in other aspects of my life. (including PUA) I could improve most of them. but i just dont give a shit.

any inputs? Clearly this is not normal behaviour (or is it? wtf)

I forget the famous sports quote, but it goes something like : "You can't teach motivation."
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." — Friedrich von Hayek
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 gn0m   Sweden. February 27 2012 13:30. Posts 301
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On February 27 2012 13:12 r.Evo wrote:

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Mhmmm... I agree with you. But I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm trying to say.

Taking calibration as an example. Yeah, obviously everyone is able to exert empathy but almost no one does understand what's going on when he does that and whether or not he could have a cooler life if he would sometimes do something different with a conscious effort.

To bring it away from pickup, if I understand how calibration actually works and how it is achieved I can teach the leader of a group of guys who work for him why he has trouble going along with a certain individual and how he can, with conscious effort, improve the relationship.

Note that this does NOT necessarily mean that he will like that dude more than before (although it's likely) but it will mean that he's able to increase the efficiency of his group by removing a before unknown variable (the "bad" unconscious calibration between him and our guy X).


Back to pickup the goal is the same. By making calibration a conscious process you eliminate the variable of bad calibration for random reasons caused by how you were raised, what your believes are etc., and therefore improve the amount of people you can get along with.

LONGTERM the goal should be to calibrate oneself in a manner that attracts the people you want to have in your life.


Does it make more sense now?


Edit: @Ras: It came from you using "you" in the post he responded to. That offended his manood.

Okay I see. As I said, I don’t argue against the possibility to improve social behaviour through extensive social interaction. Its just that most people will improve gradually without spending too much time or effort thinking about it and they will get laid in the process. I don’t think that there is any disagreement between us.
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 r.Evo   Germany. February 27 2012 13:31. Posts 5231
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On February 27 2012 13:23 Kh0rne wrote:
I have a personal issue. not exactly PUA. But there seems to be some good (and bad) advice going around.

I am generally pretty good at anything i try my hand at. I just dont (cant?) care about it.

example. I work full time at a job i dont particularly like. It pays the bills & funds the other more enjoyable parts of my life. I could do it better and earn more. I could find another job that i enjoy.

I know that i could and should do these things. But i dont care.



This stance is mirrored in other aspects of my life. (including PUA) I could improve most of them. but i just dont give a shit.

any inputs? Clearly this is not normal behaviour (or is it? wtf)



I don't believe you.

Why do you show up and ask this question when you don't care about it?



Why are you lying?
Last edit: 2012-02-27 13:33:28
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
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  Sogo Otika   February 27 2012 13:35. Posts 60Profile # 

On February 27 2012 13:19 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
Sorry your butthurt, Sogo.

Thought this was a thread about improving game? Just letting you know physical fitness is a good thing to go for and why it matters from my perspective.

I get more opportunity because I am in shape, attractive, and can generally offer things that most people can't. Physical fitness is a universally attractive trait (as has been reinforced by Sogo quoting some guy in regards to women).


Likewise, I was simply stating that guys don't like girls who have had their fill of cocks. It is allowable to some extent if she is super hot.

As number of cocks increases, a woman's attractiveness is decreased.

A girl who is a 6 and has had 10 cocks becomes a 4.

A girl who is a 10 and has had 10 cocks becomes a 8.

Just stating facts. By converse, a man's desirability increases as the number of pussies he's fucked goes up.

User was banned for this post.
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 RaspberrySC2   United States. February 27 2012 13:37. Posts 42
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On February 27 2012 13:22 Elegance wrote:
However, if a considerablly attractive (attractive, not hot) dude who was not physically fit was down, you would lay with him. Just ask yourself, there are plenty of non-fit people in this world that you probably would be down to fuck with (such as actors). My point is that women have standards....for men who are below them. Men who are of more value do not have to be filtered through such things.


Personally, I can honestly say that I wouldn't because "physical attractiveness" isn't as important to me as being awesome and in shape. My celebrity exception is Harrison Ford (and maaaaaybe David Bowie). What I can say is that I don't go for "pretty". Again. That's just me.
Ever since I was a child I have had this instinctive urge for expansion and growth. To me, the function and duty of a quality human being is the sincere and honest development of one's potential. - Bruce Lee
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 RaspberrySC2   United States. February 27 2012 13:37. Posts 42
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On February 27 2012 13:35 Sogo Otika wrote:
By converse, a man's desirability increases as the number of pussies he's fucked goes up.


No it don't.
Ever since I was a child I have had this instinctive urge for expansion and growth. To me, the function and duty of a quality human being is the sincere and honest development of one's potential. - Bruce Lee
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 couches   February 27 2012 13:38. Posts 618
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On February 27 2012 13:23 Kh0rne wrote:
I have a personal issue. not exactly PUA. But there seems to be some good (and bad) advice going around.

I am generally pretty good at anything i try my hand at. I just dont (cant?) care about it.

example. I work full time at a job i dont particularly like. It pays the bills & funds the other more enjoyable parts of my life. I could do it better and earn more. I could find another job that i enjoy.

I know that i could and should do these things. But i dont care.



This stance is mirrored in other aspects of my life. (including PUA) I could improve most of them. but i just dont give a shit.

any inputs? Clearly this is not normal behaviour (or is it? wtf)
You care. You just want it all handed to you on a silver platter so you don't have to do any of the hard work to get to where you want to be. Take charge and just do it.
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  Sogo Otika   February 27 2012 13:39. Posts 60Profile # 

On February 27 2012 13:23 Kh0rne wrote:
I have a personal issue. not exactly PUA. But there seems to be some good (and bad) advice going around.

I am generally pretty good at anything i try my hand at. I just dont (cant?) care about it.

example. I work full time at a job i dont particularly like. It pays the bills & funds the other more enjoyable parts of my life. I could do it better and earn more. I could find another job that i enjoy.

I know that i could and should do these things. But i dont care.



This stance is mirrored in other aspects of my life. (including PUA) I could improve most of them. but i just dont give a shit.

any inputs? Clearly this is not normal behaviour (or is it? wtf)


My input is - if you have the chance of fucking 10 hot girls instead of one, and you choose not to, you are simply lazy and excuse your own desire to get 10 of them by saying: "Nah, one is enough".

The truth is men are biologically wired to want to fuck as many girls as possible. It's like watching porn. You might have a favourite porn video, but most guys get sick of it and start downloading other porn videos to watch for variety. The same goes for women you fuck in real life. Many guys start out PUA because they want to get a particular girl to like them. Once they get better at PUA, they realise one woman isn't enough and they've got to fuck 'em all. Some people finish high school and don't want to go to college 'cos they think their supermarket job is enough. But a lot of people go to college and university and think: "Shit, I can't believe I even thought that I'd be OK not coming to college. I'm glad I did this instead of just finishing high school and doing some shitty low wage apprentice job."

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On February 27 2012 13:37 RaspberrySC2 wrote:

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No it don't.


Yes it does. Every girl wants the high school football jock who's probably fucked half the cheerleaders. No girl wants the nerd who's had no lays. As girls gossip more about how they fucked the jock, other girls will want to sleep with him as well. No girl wants to fuck the nerd and then have her friends laugh at her for fucking someone nobody wanted anyway.
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 sunprince   United States. February 27 2012 13:39. Posts 2024
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On February 27 2012 13:00 Sogo Otika wrote:Try not to fuck around so much. Men are not enthusiastic about marrying women whose vaginas have played host to numerous cocks before them.


Wait, what? Since when was this ever an issue except for insecure dudes or guys with small dicks?
 
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 gn0m   Sweden. February 27 2012 13:41. Posts 301
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On February 27 2012 13:35 Sogo Otika wrote:

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Likewise, I was simply stating that guys don't like girls who have had their fill of cocks. It is allowable to some extent if she is super hot.

As number of cocks increases, a woman's attractiveness is decreased.

A girl who is a 6 and has had 10 cocks becomes a 4.

A girl who is a 10 and has had 10 cocks becomes a 8.

Just stating facts. By converse, a man's desirability increases as the number of pussies he's fucked goes up.

Are these facts widely accepted in the PUA community? Did you pay money to get access to this deep knowledge of women’s hotness?
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 Elegance   Canada. February 27 2012 13:43. Posts 840
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On February 27 2012 13:37 RaspberrySC2 wrote:

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No it don't.

There are things in society for females that are frowned upon such as having sex (with many people), and admitting to being attracted by a player (another term i do not like). Alcohol "loosens up" those inhibitions a bit hence why it is much easier to get sex out of a tipsy or drunk female than a sober one.

You may not like a guy that cheats, but deep down inside you are attracted to to the ones that could cheat.
Power of Ze
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 couches   February 27 2012 13:43. Posts 618
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On February 27 2012 13:37 RaspberrySC2 wrote:

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No it don't.

Have you ever bragged to your girl friends about a good lay?
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 allecto   February 27 2012 13:48. Posts 322
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On February 27 2012 13:35 Sogo Otika wrote:

Just stating facts. By converse, a man's chances of having the clap increases as the number of pussies he's fucked goes up.


Fixed it for you.

What's up with this double standard of "I don't want women to have sex with a lot of dudes, but I want you to have sex with me right now even though we just met"?
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