This shouldn't become a discussion about how to find what's there, but a discussion on what is there.
| Sir.Kimmel United States. June 04 2011 11:19. Posts 783 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2011 10:02 Samhax wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 09:51 Sir.Kimmel wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:28 Samhax wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:22 Mafs wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:07 frogmelter wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:04 Windows 7 wrote:
Very interesting. But to protect yourself, wouldn't it just be easiest to use a "smurf" computer, like a cheap netbook? Also, this may be very naive, but I'm of the "If I know this, surely the government knows", which in this case is the FBI. They know about all of this, right?
They find you based on your IP. As long as you're connected to the same network connection it will still trace to the same person. And yes I would assume the FBI knows about all of this
They do know but its extremely hard to find and trace someone that knows how to block their IP and prevent tracking. The people who are on these sites know how to hack so they can stop any type of tracing. This is one of those things which are bad about the internet. But they are also based on the ideals that make the internet so good at the same time.
Hum i'm really perplexed about someone who can deny the FBI tracing him. If you are chased by the FBI for some serious shit, no matter how good you are at hacking, they will get you. I mean we are talking about guys who have billions of dollars for their investigations, it's not some random police from a third world country.
you are putting far too much faith in our government... yes if you are a badass and you have top end people hunting you, they are very good at what they do... but if you are just talking about the FBI, their offices are really inferior... its literally - okay.. we have some childporn we found on a p2p network... alright trace the IP... okay 3 months later get a warrant to arrest them... that is literally the usual process..... I'm sorry but when I have to field a call to a government agency on how to provide incident response.... just because they came across a case where I caught a hacker ( here is my case study  http://www.securestate.com/Downloadables/Documents/Case%20Studies/Incident%20Response%20reveals%20previous%20intrusion.pdf ) ... I really can't put too much faith into their skills..... but honestly, I hope you learn a lot playing around in the "deep web" lol... enjoy hiding being TOR and all that crap, just be careful... I would recommend using a live cd or running a VM instead of just using a backup hd.... but have fun with that I'm going to run off and start the defcon CTF in 11 minutes 
Who are these top end peoples, then? CIA? Stargate SG-1? the cyberpolice? I mean your country for sure have top end people, maybe not in the FBI, but in an other organization. Anyway i was talking about them, whatever who they are, they will backtrace you!
unfortunately.... looking at CP or threatening to kill someone on some random forum really isn't enough there chief.... but there are quite a few skilled people in the CIA and the NSA... more so the NSA, although your only going to encounter them with matters of national security... but yeah a little above my paygrade, rest assured they are out there silently protecting us all... haha
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| VIB Brazil. June 04 2011 11:21. Posts 3567 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2011 10:56 GenesisX wrote:
How can this stuff not be tracked by the ISPs and government and etc. ??
Sure, its well hidden from the public, but how is this not shut down yet?
TOR networks were built so it cannot be tracked. Your ISP can see that you are accessing a TOR network, but it cannot tell what exactly are you doing inside it. You could be doing something legal in it, you could be buying something illegal, or you could be running your own illegal website in it. Your ISP alone cannot track that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)
edit: tho you do can still be caught using it, it's usually because you did something stupid. If you're not experienced with computers and are not sure how this works. Don't try it, you will eventually do something stupid.Last edit: 2011-06-04 11:25:44 |
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| Disregard China. June 04 2011 11:23. Posts 8081 | Profile Blog # |
| The "This Board cant be serious" got me. |
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| iPlaY.NettleS Australia. June 04 2011 11:32. Posts 1495 | Profile Blog # |
Just goes to show how useless Australian Labors (AKA the Socialist party) Internet filter would have been.
These places are far out of reach of such things. |
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| Probe1 United States. June 04 2011 11:40. Posts 16445 | Profile Blog # |
Not the only hole on the internet and if it winds up on reddit it'll get filled in before long. The desert is wide and its secrets it keeps.
Once something is published to a mass audience it is discarded or clung on to by people soon to caught. Therefore, by observing and reporting you destroy what you discover. Last edit: 2011-06-04 11:41:30 |
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| Sky Jordan. June 04 2011 11:41. Posts 812 | Profile Blog # |
| Quite a bit of the bad things: CP and bitcoin/drug transactions. Be weary, some things aren't all they're cracked up to be. As a friend told me, "The most you might get out of this, if your not careful, is the attention of IC3 and the invisible masters[derp]." Last edit: 2011-06-04 12:53:45 |
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| Kinetik_Inferno June 04 2011 11:45. Posts 1419 | Profile # |
| I find this topic utterly fascinating just because of the sheer enormity of the Deep Web, and the amount of hidden information and just how small the wild west of the internet is. The internet supposedly encompasses amazing amounts of information, and quite a bit of it is unavailable through normal means. |
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 DeepElemBlues United States. June 04 2011 11:48. Posts 3698 | Profile # |
The desert is wide and its secrets it keeps.
This. There's so much hidden stuff the people who are accessing know about that the governments of the world only maybe know about, and if they do, they leave it alone because because it's too useful a source of information or they're actively using it themselves... |
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| Keitzer United States. June 04 2011 11:49. Posts 2505 | Profile Blog # |
| i came here to L2DeepWeb basically... and found much, much more... well done OP. |
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| -Exalt- United States. June 04 2011 11:50. Posts 966 | Profile Blog # |
| Why don't the cops just.. shut this down? and stop 99% of CP, child trafficking, illegal drug trade.. etc. I feel like if world leaders knew about this.. they could shut it down in a heartbeat. Last edit: 2011-06-04 11:51:26 |
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| tuestresfat June 04 2011 11:50. Posts 2484 | Profile # |
On June 04 2011 11:23 Disregard wrote:
The "This Board cant be serious" got me.
i lol'ed so hard at that ^^ |
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| ROOTKane Canada. June 04 2011 11:51. Posts 1616 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2011 09:44 Mentalizor wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 09:36 Navillus wrote:
On June 04 2011 08:34 Malstriks wrote:
On June 04 2011 08:26 iamho wrote:
You gotta think that a lot of those assassination dealies are scams.. or maybe its just the FBI trying to arrest people.
that would be baiting; not legal.
Not true. There's a post somewhere on TL, someone answering questions about drugs and the like and either they or a link they posted (I think both) explain that cops can do a whole lot more than people think without what they're doing being entrapment (legal name for baiting). A police officer can approach and commission someone to commit a crime and that person will still be guilty if they commit it, even if the officer has to convince them over time to do it they can show in court that that person was "predisposed" to committing the crime and so is guilty, basically anything short of forcing someone into the crime won't be entrapment.
I've seen a show about american police leaving a car unlocked (I think even with keys in the ignition). The police had equipped miniture cameras and obviously had radiocontrol to the doorlocks and the engine. So once someone took the car and drove off, they'd just shut it down - shut him in - and arrest him. Actually quite a bit of ppl were really offended by this, hence this is not a legal modus operandi in Denmark. On topic: Great OP! Good job! I just wonder... Why would I ever have to use it? What does the "deep web" offer than I can't get off the "shallow web", when I'm just a regular average Joe?
ah i remember that show now! |
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| DeepElemBlues United States. June 04 2011 11:52. Posts 3698 | Profile # |
Why don't the cops just.. shut this down? and stop 99% of CP, child trafficking.. etc. I feel like if world leaders knew about this.. they could shut it down in a heartbeat.
How can you shut it down when you can only see that people are using it, not what they are doing or where they physically are in the world?
And if you do somehow manage to "shut it down," all they have to do is create another one and they're back in a matter of hours or days. |
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| Chef June 04 2011 11:52. Posts 9766 | Profile Blog # |
Instead of using a bunch of proxies and anti vir, why wouldn't you just use a crappy old computer you don't care about?
Basically this just looks like a place for child porn. |
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| Lexpar Canada. June 04 2011 11:53. Posts 1809 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2011 11:50 EternaL_9 wrote:
Why don't the cops just.. shut this down? and stop 99% of CP, child trafficking, illegal drug trade.. etc. I feel like if world leaders knew about this.. they could shut it down in a heartbeat.
It's not that easy! Volunteers run the Tor proxy network, and anyone can run tor without their ISP knowing what they're doing. You can't really "shut it down" without shutting the internet down. |
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| Deja Thoris South Africa. June 04 2011 11:53. Posts 646 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2011 11:50 EternaL_9 wrote:
Why don't the cops just.. shut this down? and stop 99% of CP, child trafficking, illegal drug trade.. etc. I feel like if world leaders knew about this.. they could shut it down in a heartbeat.
And exactly which computer do they turn off to shut it down? Is that computer in New York, Albania or Mongolia? How do you know where it is when it is hidden with technogizmos that stop you finding it? |
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| iSTime June 04 2011 11:55. Posts 1574 | Profile # |
CP not very surprising.
The fact that there are people willing to ship drugs through the mail to random addresses seems pretty sketch, though. |
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| G_Wen Canada. June 04 2011 12:00. Posts 513 | Profile # |
You are reading far too deep into this. As you mentioned most of the deep web is boring mundane stuff. Hell editing your facebook profile is deep web. You make it seem like you're penetrating deep into a crime syndicate while in reality you would probably only be drinking in a bar owned by a member of the group.
What you read on reddit was pretty much overblown BS. It's funny to think that some people were thinking of calling the FBI and reporting this information as if the FBI didn't know.
And as for those assassins:
"Will somebody please kill m00t?"
>.> Seriously.
Most of those websites that are selling drugs are probably scams.
If you want to be even safer you can browse from a boot cd with no hard drive.
Post was kind of disappointing and I would have expected better from TL. |
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| Megaliskuu United States. June 04 2011 12:06. Posts 5033 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2011 11:52 Chef wrote:
Instead of using a bunch of proxies and anti vir, why wouldn't you just use a crappy old computer you don't care about?
Basically this just looks like a place for child porn.
Because the information still goes through your network lol..
How do people not know this. |
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| Cel.erity United States. June 04 2011 12:08. Posts 3642 | Profile Blog # |
| I checked this out and it was honestly quite disppointing. Every site seemed to be either CP or kids saying stuff that they'd be afraid to say on other message boards. It's cool I guess that something like this exists, but I don't think it's being widely used enough for anything great to come of it. |
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