| StarDrive May 06 2012 04:59. Posts 90 | Profile # |
On May 06 2012 04:54 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 04:51 StarDrive wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:46 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:39 StarDrive wrote:
Thanks for the response skyR.
Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?
And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.
It's possible in theory, for specific applications. But the second you play something besides the one you perfectly balanced for, boom, you're bottlenecked.
That makes sense. Shouldn't it be possible to say roughly how bottlenecked you are when it's not perfectly balanced? Like in the absurd example I gave you can pretty confidently say you'll be GPU bound in most cases. Is it that the 6850 and 2500k are too similar to be able to draw useful conclusions?
No, it's that they do completely different things, so based on the game, you'll be bottlenecked by different things.
Thanks for the quick answers. On an unrelated note, is Passmark reliable for gpu benchmarks? It seems many of the benchmarks they give do not line up with what people say. For example they say the 6850 is 15% better than the GTX 460 but reviews I've read online say the cards are similar. |
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| skyR Canada. May 06 2012 04:59. Posts 11177 | Profile # |
| Lol no. Passmark is absolute garbage. |
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 JingleHell United States. May 06 2012 05:01. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2012 04:59 StarDrive wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 04:54 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:51 StarDrive wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:46 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 04:39 StarDrive wrote:
Thanks for the response skyR.
Isn't it possible in theory to get two components so closely matched that you're not really bound by either?
And sometimes you can pretty clearly say a configuration doesn't make sense, for example putting a 6450 with a i7-3960X.
It's possible in theory, for specific applications. But the second you play something besides the one you perfectly balanced for, boom, you're bottlenecked.
That makes sense. Shouldn't it be possible to say roughly how bottlenecked you are when it's not perfectly balanced? Like in the absurd example I gave you can pretty confidently say you'll be GPU bound in most cases. Is it that the 6850 and 2500k are too similar to be able to draw useful conclusions?
No, it's that they do completely different things, so based on the game, you'll be bottlenecked by different things.
Thanks for the quick answers. On an unrelated note, is Passmark reliable for gpu benchmarks? It seems many of the benchmarks they give do not line up with what people say. For example they say the 6850 is 15% better than the GTX 460 but reviews I've read online say the cards are similar.
Passmark is an excellent pass/fail benchmark.
Anybody who relies on it has failed the benchmark, and should never give tech advice. |
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| StarDrive May 06 2012 05:04. Posts 90 | Profile # |
| Thanks for the responses all. Super quick. Much appreciated. |
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| IceFire United States. May 06 2012 06:16. Posts 170 | Profile # |
My computer keeps turning off randomly. There is no warning and it doesn't seem to happen when I'm doing something in particular. It has happened when I'm playing games, both SC2 and LoL, as well as when i'm simply browsing the internet. The only information i've gotten from searches is that the power supply may be failing, but i'm not sure that that is it. Do you guys have any way to know what is causing it or what I can do to fix it.
Specs:
CPU: AMD Athlon II x4 645
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
RAM: 4GB Corsair
Graphics Card: ATI 5770
PSU: Corsair 750w
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| skyR Canada. May 06 2012 06:17. Posts 11177 | Profile # |
| If it's randomly turning off, chances are high that it's the power supply or a component overheating. Last edit: 2012-05-06 06:17:45 |
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| IceFire United States. May 06 2012 06:19. Posts 170 | Profile # |
On May 06 2012 06:17 skyR wrote:
If it's randomly turning off, chances are high that it's the power supply or a component overheating.
Is there a way to find out if one of these are the problem for sure? |
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| JingleHell United States. May 06 2012 06:20. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2012 06:19 IceFire wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 06:17 skyR wrote:
If it's randomly turning off, chances are high that it's the power supply or a component overheating.
Is there a way to find out if one of these are the problem for sure?
You can swap in a PSU that you know works and see if it still happens. Otherwise, you can only go for reasonable guess. |
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| skyR Canada. May 06 2012 06:23. Posts 11177 | Profile # |
| You can check temperatures using HWMonitor. Only way of finding out if it's PSU problem is replacing the unit. |
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| IceFire United States. May 06 2012 06:34. Posts 170 | Profile # |
| With HWMonitor the CPU temps are about 28 C but for the graphics card its at 89 C which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be that high. Also for the Motherboard there are 3 temps, 35 C, 39 C, and 81 C. Is that normal, because it doesn't seem like it is? |
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| JingleHell United States. May 06 2012 06:35. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2012 06:34 IceFire wrote:
With HWMonitor the CPU temps are about 28 C but for the graphics card its at 89 C which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be that high. Also for the Motherboard there are 3 temps, 35 C, 39 C, and 81 C. Is that normal, because it doesn't seem like it is?
You're clearly not testing properly. What are you using to stress? |
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| IceFire United States. May 06 2012 06:38. Posts 170 | Profile # |
On May 06 2012 06:35 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 06:34 IceFire wrote:
With HWMonitor the CPU temps are about 28 C but for the graphics card its at 89 C which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be that high. Also for the Motherboard there are 3 temps, 35 C, 39 C, and 81 C. Is that normal, because it doesn't seem like it is?
You're clearly not testing properly. What are you using to stress?
I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I'm not using anything to stress my computer, i'm simply on TL trying to figure this out. Sorry' |
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| skyR Canada. May 06 2012 06:39. Posts 11177 | Profile # |
| If it's 81c sitting at desktop than yes that is too hot. You need to make sure the fan on the GPU is spinning and clear the dust out of the GPU heatsink. |
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| JingleHell United States. May 06 2012 06:47. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2012 06:38 IceFire wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 06:35 JingleHell wrote:
On May 06 2012 06:34 IceFire wrote:
With HWMonitor the CPU temps are about 28 C but for the graphics card its at 89 C which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be that high. Also for the Motherboard there are 3 temps, 35 C, 39 C, and 81 C. Is that normal, because it doesn't seem like it is?
You're clearly not testing properly. What are you using to stress?
I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I'm not using anything to stress my computer, i'm simply on TL trying to figure this out. Sorry'
Yeah, what skyR said. Clean that puppy, then report idle temps again. Clean your CPU heatsink while you're at it just for shits n giggles. Once your idle temps don't sound like Chernobyl, we'll have you stress test and get temps under load, and if they're still good, see if it keeps crashing. It may or may not, depending on whether you've got permanent damage from temps. |
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| IceFire United States. May 06 2012 08:24. Posts 170 | Profile # |
The temps haven't changed at all -_-
What should I do now? Or am I screwed? |
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| JingleHell United States. May 06 2012 08:25. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2012 08:24 IceFire wrote:
The temps haven't changed at all -_-
What should I do now? Or am I screwed?
Did you clean the graphics card out properly? Like with a can of air, multiple directions through the heatsink? Or did you just blow on it like a classic NES cartridge? |
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| IceFire United States. May 06 2012 08:28. Posts 170 | Profile # |
| I cleaned it out properly just like you said. I am pretty sure I cleaned it out as efficiently as possible. |
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| Shikyo Finland. May 06 2012 08:29. Posts 20127 | Profile Blog # |
| How can the graphics card be at 89c idle? I mean... even passive without fans should cool better than that O_O Make sure that the fan is plugged in if the card has something like that and clean the dust... keep the case open and see if the fan spins, if it doesn't RMA it if it's under warranty |
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| JingleHell United States. May 06 2012 08:31. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 06 2012 08:28 IceFire wrote:
I cleaned it out properly just like you said. I am pretty sure I cleaned it out as efficiently as possible.
If it's still in warranty, go for an RMA. If it isn't you can try re-pasting the GPU.
You can also try using something like MSI afterburner to set up custom fan profiles if it's not in warranty, try to keep it from exploding. But if it's idling at 80+, and crashes without being in a 3D application sometimes, it's probably already suffered permanent damage from heat.Last edit: 2012-05-06 08:31:38 |
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| moltenlead Canada. May 06 2012 08:42. Posts 855 | Profile # |
I have a pretty noobish question.
Does the OS attempt to store entire programs into the RAM to access the files more quickly if there was sufficient space free in the RAM?
The more specific scenario that I'm looking at: I have just ordered a laptop with 16gb of RAM (It was a $20 upgrade over the 8gb, so I decided to grab it since I wouldn't find it cheaper elsewhere) and I was wondering whether for games like Diablo 3 the OS would attempt to move as many game files as possible into the RAM for faster level loading times? I don't want to put it on my SSD because a 128gb drive gets eaten up very quickly with 12gb installs, but I would still like some decent loading times. |
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