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| DONTPANIC United States. May 23 2012 05:33. Posts 337 | Profile Blog # |
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| darkness Bulgaria. May 23 2012 07:16. Posts 2666 | Profile Blog # |
On May 23 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 03:15 darkness wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:35 TheToast wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:19 TheSwamp wrote:
On May 13 2012 10:15 TheSwamp wrote:
Hi Guys! In game it says my suggested graphics is extreme and textures are ultra, but I only get ~ 30 fps in a 1v1 without max vs max armies.
My setup is as follows:
AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor
8 GB of DDR3 ram
and A nvidia GTS 450
Is there something that could be wrong with my pc? Or am I just expecting too much from my setup?
Quoting so I can hopefully get an answer. Also, if you need anymore info let me know.
The problem with your PC is the shitty processor. Welcome to the club. We have online meetings every Friday, but everyone always misses them because it takes too long for our PCs to load. But seriously, your CPU is over two years old. Despite being clocked at 3Ghz, the performance of the entire Phenom II line is pretty far behind an i5 or comparable intel processor, and SC2 can only utilize two cores of a CPU so the fact that it's a quad core doesn't necessarily mean anything.
How do you know Sc2 supports only 2 cores? Proof please.
SkyR told me. That counts as evidence around here. Besides that, a quick google will show up a number of tech articles about it: http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/starcraft_ii_wings_of_liberty_beta_performance,7.htmlhttp://www.techspot.com/review/305-starcraft2-performance/page13.htmletc., etc.
Thank you. According to Blizzard, there is a desync problem with multiple core support, but I hope they find a way. Really stupid issue. :/ |
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| Jaso United States. May 23 2012 10:05. Posts 1505 | Profile Blog # |
This doesn't have so much to do with computers but it is tech related. Sorta.. or maybe physics o_o
When you invert a sound wave in a program like Audacity why is it that it sounds pretty much identical? |
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| Al Bundy May 23 2012 13:30. Posts 7173 | Profile # |
Hey guys please forgive me if this is not the right thread.
To tell the truth I have an "issue" with my computer, well it's not that big of a deal considering the fact that the computer seems to run fine otherwise.
Here are my specs:
-mobo: MSI P67A-C45 B3 (Chipset: Intel P67)
-CPU: Intel i5-2300
-GPU: GeForce GTX 550 Ti
-OS: Win7 64
I bought this computer in December, 2011 and recently, out of curiosity, I installed Speedfan in order to monitor the temperatures. When I'm playing video games there's this "Temp2" sensor that goes up to kinda high temperatures. These are Celsius degrees by the way:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PttqC.png) Here are the maximum temperatures for each one: GPU: 55° Temp1: 55° Temp2: 81°Temp3: 37° HDO: 30° CPU: 56° As you can see only this so-called Temp2 seem to get pretty warm during gaming.
The problem is, I don't even know what does this Temp2 correspond to. Please excuse my lack of technological knowledge but I just want to know if this whole heating up thing is dangerous, and if there is a way to know precisely what part is getting that warm, ie what is Temp2.
Thank you very much.Last edit: 2012-05-23 13:33:46 |
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| Myrmidon United States. May 23 2012 13:35. Posts 8487 | Profile Blog # |
On May 23 2012 10:05 Jaso wrote:
This doesn't have so much to do with computers but it is tech related. Sorta.. or maybe physics o_o
When you invert a sound wave in a program like Audacity why is it that it sounds pretty much identical?
Well, if it were just a pure sine wave, then flipping the sign is equivalent to just a phase shift of 180 degrees, which is pretty similar to a time delay (just starting the sine wave half a cycle late). When you think about it that way, it doesn't seem as important as the frequency or amplitude information, right? Sounds are just combinations of different-amplitude sinusoids at different times. Reference Fourier series, Fourier analysis, etc.
I think the auditory system is more or less interpreting frequencies, so breaking sounds down into sinusoids actually does somewhat correspond to how the brain works anyway (it's not just an arbitrary mathematical decomposition). IIRC that's how it works. Relative phase information can be distinguished, but if all frequencies get shifted by the same amount as they would if the signal is completely flipped, then there isn't any shift in the phase of one component as compared to the phase of another component.
Sometimes headphones or speakers get wired backwards, so they're actually producing everything out of phase by 180 degrees, and I'm not sure if anybody can actually tell. Some amplifiers invert the signal as well.
I'm just guessing though.
On May 23 2012 13:30 Al Bundy wrote:
The problem is, I don't even know what does this Temp2 correspond to. Please excuse my lack of technological knowledge but I just want to know if this whole heating up thing is dangerous, and if there is a way to know precisely what part is getting that warm, ie what is Temp2.
Maybe just an uncalibrated, garbage, or faulty sensor reading, or SpeedFan doesn't know how to correctly interpret some raw value. Did you try another program?
I mean, some of those reported voltages are definitely wrong.
Worst-case scenario, it's something legit like voltage regulator or chipset temperatures, and the reading is accurate or close enough. Try asking MSI, or somebody else with that model of motherboard.Last edit: 2012-05-23 13:42:13 |
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| Al Bundy May 23 2012 14:13. Posts 7173 | Profile # |
Thanks for the quick answer.
I used another software called HWMonitor, here are the values if you don't mind:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gScFy.png) I played Arma2 for about 5 minutes and TMPIN1 (which I assume is Temp2 in Speedfan) went straight from its usual 38° to 62°C.
Do you think this is as you said related to voltage regulating? I believe these parameters can be changed in the Bios but I don't recall messing with any of these settings.
I'm going to check MSI's website an try to ask them what's up with that.Last edit: 2012-05-23 14:13:42 |
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| Myrmidon United States. May 23 2012 14:22. Posts 8487 | Profile Blog # |
| Many values aren't particularly to be trusted. I was just using the voltages as an example of some things that are obviously incorrect readings, to say that you're not supposed to take everything seriously. A lot of components can handle pretty high temperatures anyway. Something like 62C is nothing for a lot of power transistors, digital logic. |
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| Al Bundy May 23 2012 14:24. Posts 7173 | Profile # |
Thanks Myrmidon  |
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| Pwnographics New Zealand. May 23 2012 20:24. Posts 1048 | Profile # |
| So I have a portable hard drive with 480GB of movies in FAT32 format, but when I copy it onto my hard drive in NTFS it shows up as 240GB, is there a particular reason for this? |
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| Nuttyguy United Kingdom. May 23 2012 21:05. Posts 967 | Profile Blog # |
I have a d3 icon in my task bar and i cant remove it, cant right click on it. When i open d3 it opens another window.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sFZzW.png)
How do i remove it? |
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| Sovano United States. May 24 2012 06:27. Posts 1264 | Profile # |
| So one of my computers won't turn on, and I have 90% confidence that it is the PSU that won't work; 10% that it's the motherboard. Is there any cheap ways to test if my PSU is working other than buying a multimeters? Just thought I'd ask in case I can save myself some money. |
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| Rollin Australia. May 24 2012 06:31. Posts 1143 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 06:27 Sovano wrote:
So one of my computers won't turn on, and I have 90% confidence that it is the PSU that won't work; 10% that it's the motherboard. Is there any cheap ways to test if my PSU is working other than buying a multimeters? Just thought I'd ask in case I can save myself some money.
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Although that won't tell you if your powersupply is failing under too much load (if it's shit basically).
EDIT: Spoilered as I didn't realise it would embed >.>Last edit: 2012-05-24 06:32:48 |
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| jaj22 United Kingdom. May 24 2012 06:35. Posts 1373 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 06:27 Sovano wrote:
So one of my computers won't turn on, and I have 90% confidence that it is the PSU that won't work; 10% that it's the motherboard. Is there any cheap ways to test if my PSU is working other than buying a multimeters? Just thought I'd ask in case I can save myself some money.
If it doesn't turn on at all? Connect up a DVD drive to the PSU (for a bit of load) and wire green to black on the ATX connector with a paper clip. If the DVD tray opens and the LED works, the PSU might be ok. It's not an absolute proof though.
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| TheToast United States. May 24 2012 06:39. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On May 23 2012 21:05 Nuttyguy wrote:I have a d3 icon in my task bar and i cant remove it, cant right click on it. When i open d3 it opens another window. How do i remove it?
It looks like it's just a pinned Start Menu shortcut, which when utilizing the "vista" setup of the Windows 7 task bar just sit there. Should be able to right click on it and select "unpin from start menu" or just click and drag it to the trash.
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| Sovano United States. May 24 2012 06:59. Posts 1264 | Profile # |
| Well I just tried the paperclip method. My PSU is functional, so it's not dead. Could that mean that it is my mobo? My computer is like literally 10 years old, but my parents are so gosh darn cheap, so they'd replace a mobo if that's all it took to get the secondary computer running again. Last edit: 2012-05-24 07:00:31 |
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 superbarnie United States. May 24 2012 07:05. Posts 280 | Profile # |
On May 23 2012 14:13 Al Bundy wrote:Thanks for the quick answer. I used another software called HWMonitor, here are the values if you don't mind: + Show Spoiler +I played Arma2 for about 5 minutes and TMPIN1 (which I assume is Temp2 in Speedfan) went straight from its usual 38° to 62°C. Do you think this is as you said related to voltage regulating? I believe these parameters can be changed in the Bios but I don't recall messing with any of these settings. I'm going to check MSI's website an try to ask them what's up with that.
Yeah I was gonna recommend you to use hwmonitor, its what i always use to see temps. Btw, your temperatures look pretty normal. |
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| JingleHell United States. May 24 2012 07:08. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 24 2012 06:59 Sovano wrote:
Well I just tried the paperclip method. My PSU is functional, so it's not dead. Could that mean that it is my mobo? My computer is like literally 10 years old, but my parents are so gosh darn cheap, so they'd replace a mobo if that's all it took to get the secondary computer running again.
If they're that cheap would they risk spending money on what people on an internet forum said? Better safe than sorry, should just get them to shell out for something new. 
Something that ancient, hardware is going to be absurdly disproportionate in cost, so it's actually better to just go new.Last edit: 2012-05-24 07:08:35 |
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| jaj22 United Kingdom. May 24 2012 07:13. Posts 1373 | Profile # |
If it's really 10 years old then you should be able to get a better PC for free. Definitely not worth the hassle of replacing a motherboard anyway.
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| Sovano United States. May 24 2012 07:13. Posts 1264 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 07:08 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 06:59 Sovano wrote:
Well I just tried the paperclip method. My PSU is functional, so it's not dead. Could that mean that it is my mobo? My computer is like literally 10 years old, but my parents are so gosh darn cheap, so they'd replace a mobo if that's all it took to get the secondary computer running again.
If they're that cheap would they risk spending money on what people on an internet forum said? Better safe than sorry, should just get them to shell out for something new. Something that ancient, hardware is going to be absurdly disproportionate in cost, so it's actually better to just go new.
I would imagine their logic would be that if you could spend a fraction of the cost to fix an old computer instead of buying a whole new computer, they'd rather fix a old one, they'd rather fix the old one. Plus they can just RMA it, which I had to do with my last HDD. Typical asian parents haha, at least where I live that's how it goes.
But yeah I've been trying to convince them for a while now lol. I haven't told them about the computer yet, and I was able to fix it last time. Although this time around I'm not so sure. I've always been using really low-end computers, so I'm used to it.
Any clue if I can build a desktop for like $400-$500 that can run sc2 1v1 on low settings decently well? I'd probably pitch in my own money if a desktop can be built that cheap.Last edit: 2012-05-24 07:15:25 |
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| JingleHell United States. May 24 2012 07:17. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 24 2012 07:13 Sovano wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:08 JingleHell wrote:
On May 24 2012 06:59 Sovano wrote:
Well I just tried the paperclip method. My PSU is functional, so it's not dead. Could that mean that it is my mobo? My computer is like literally 10 years old, but my parents are so gosh darn cheap, so they'd replace a mobo if that's all it took to get the secondary computer running again.
If they're that cheap would they risk spending money on what people on an internet forum said? Better safe than sorry, should just get them to shell out for something new. Something that ancient, hardware is going to be absurdly disproportionate in cost, so it's actually better to just go new.
I would imagine their logic would be that if you could spend a fraction of the cost instead of buying a whole new computer to fix a old one, they'd rather fix the old one. Plus they can just RMA it, which I had to do with my last HDD. Typical asian parents haha, at least where I live that's how it goes. But yeah I've been trying to convince them for a while now lol. I haven't told them about the computer yet, and I was able to fix it last time. Although this time around I'm not so sure. I've always been using really low-end computers, so I'm used to it.
Uhm, there's always the option of temporarily removing the CPU cooler and booting it over and over until it won't boot anymore to convince them it needs to be replaced. Just put the cooler back on before you tell them.
Uhm, bear in mind, this WILL damage your CPU. Which is kind of the idea.
You seriously shouldn't be even considering replacing a motherboard on something that old. Odds are, it will cost 45-50% of what a new low end rig would cost, especially if you already have a new HDD. |
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