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| Blackhawk13 United States. June 28 2012 07:52. Posts 430 | Profile # |
My brother is building a computer and I'm wondering if he should get one of the new intel processors, and if so, which one (theres like 10 different models). I have a i5-2500k in mine, so whatever the new equivalent of that would be for the new line of ivy bridges (minus the overclocking capability because I don't think he'll OC). And also a motherboard to go with. Normal type budget, strictly for gaming.
Thanks for any help =) |
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| Derpmallow United States. June 28 2012 08:33. Posts 28 | Profile # |
I recently had a Gigabyte mobo break down on me, and I'm looking to RMA. While not specifically technology-based, can someone who's used their online RMA service before tell me what the Customer# is for and if I should put something in there, or should I leave it as is?
(For reference: http://rma.gigabyte.us/DirectRMA/EndUser_AddRMA.asp The RMA request page.) |
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| TheToast United States. June 28 2012 23:19. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On June 28 2012 07:52 Blackhawk13 wrote:
My brother is building a computer and I'm wondering if he should get one of the new intel processors, and if so, which one (theres like 10 different models). I have a i5-2500k in mine, so whatever the new equivalent of that would be for the new line of ivy bridges (minus the overclocking capability because I don't think he'll OC). And also a motherboard to go with. Normal type budget, strictly for gaming.
Thanks for any help =)
Well, there is not equivalent to the 2500 as the ivy bridges have much better performance than sandy bridge. If your asking what's the "higher end but not the highest" in terms of the i5 ivy bridges, it's the 3550.
But you really should post in the computer build resource thread, making sure to answer all the questions list in the OP. It's very hard to make good hardware reccomendations without that information. |
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| Sovano United States. June 29 2012 02:19. Posts 1265 | Profile # |
| Is the GeForce GT 650M considerably better than the GeForce GT 555M? |
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| TheToast United States. June 29 2012 02:27. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 02:19 Sovano wrote:
Is the GeForce GT 650M considerably better than the GeForce GT 555M?
Depends on what you mean by "considerably" but, yes it is better by a significant margin.
Detailed benchmarks can be found here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.html
-Edit: wrong link!Last edit: 2012-06-29 02:28:58 |
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| Myrmidon United States. June 29 2012 02:30. Posts 8496 | Profile Blog # |
On June 28 2012 23:19 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 07:52 Blackhawk13 wrote:
My brother is building a computer and I'm wondering if he should get one of the new intel processors, and if so, which one (theres like 10 different models). I have a i5-2500k in mine, so whatever the new equivalent of that would be for the new line of ivy bridges (minus the overclocking capability because I don't think he'll OC). And also a motherboard to go with. Normal type budget, strictly for gaming.
Thanks for any help =)
Well, there is not equivalent to the 2500 as the ivy bridges have much better performance than sandy bridge. If your asking what's the "higher end but not the highest" in terms of the i5 ivy bridges, it's the 3550.
Much better performance? I don't see that much difference.
On June 29 2012 02:19 Sovano wrote:
Is the GeForce GT 650M considerably better than the GeForce GT 555M?
Compared to GT 555M 144 shader version (the usual), maybe only 25% faster or so. GT 650M is on 28nm and uses less power though. Compared to GT 555M 96 shader version (used in Lenovo Ideapad models and maybe some others?), it's considerably faster, almost twice as fast.
It depends on clock speeds though, which vary by laptop model. |
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| TheToast United States. June 29 2012 02:37. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 02:30 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 23:19 TheToast wrote:
On June 28 2012 07:52 Blackhawk13 wrote:
My brother is building a computer and I'm wondering if he should get one of the new intel processors, and if so, which one (theres like 10 different models). I have a i5-2500k in mine, so whatever the new equivalent of that would be for the new line of ivy bridges (minus the overclocking capability because I don't think he'll OC). And also a motherboard to go with. Normal type budget, strictly for gaming.
Thanks for any help =)
Well, there is not equivalent to the 2500 as the ivy bridges have much better performance than sandy bridge. If your asking what's the "higher end but not the highest" in terms of the i5 ivy bridges, it's the 3550.
Much better performance? I don't see that much difference.
Well, that's why I said it depends on what you mean by "considerably". When I say significant, I mean measurable not necessarily 'a lot'.
Passmark's benchmarks seem to back that up as well: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+555M
It's hard to compare mobile GPUs "apples to apples" as they are obviously integrated to the system board of a given laptop. Especially in this case as the 555M was generally paired with second gen intels, while the new third gen chips are being paired with the 650.
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| Sovano United States. June 29 2012 02:40. Posts 1265 | Profile # |
| Actually I was looking into Lenovo Y series, although someone on the forum recommended for me to look at a Kepler-based GPU instead. However, the Lenovo had a better processor (i7-2670QM), but an inferior GPU, GT 555M. Although I wasn't sure if going for a weaker processor (i5-2450M) with a GT 650M instead would be a considerable trade off in terms for gaming. |
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| TheToast United States. June 29 2012 02:42. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 02:40 Sovano wrote:
Actually I was looking into Lenovo Y series, although someone on the forum recommended for me to look at a Kepler-based GPU instead. However, the Lenovo had a better processor (i7-2670QM), but an inferior GPU, GT 555M. Although I wasn't sure if going for a weaker processor (i5-2450M) with a GT 650M instead would be a considerable trade off in terms for gaming.
You'd be better off with the i7 and GT 555M. While the 650M is better, it's still pretty close. You'd get a better performance gain by jumping from an i5 to an i7.
I still say you're better of going for something like an Asus, but that decision is obviously up to you. |
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| Sovano United States. June 29 2012 02:48. Posts 1265 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 02:42 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 02:40 Sovano wrote:
Actually I was looking into Lenovo Y series, although someone on the forum recommended for me to look at a Kepler-based GPU instead. However, the Lenovo had a better processor (i7-2670QM), but an inferior GPU, GT 555M. Although I wasn't sure if going for a weaker processor (i5-2450M) with a GT 650M instead would be a considerable trade off in terms for gaming.
You'd be better off with the i7 and GT 555M. While the 650M is better, it's still pretty close. You'd get a better performance gain by jumping from an i5 to an i7. I still say you're better of going for something like an Asus, but that decision is obviously up to you.
Alright thanks. I still have about a month to keep looking around before I have to buy a laptop, so I'll probably look into some Asus laptops right now. I honestly haven't looked at their website yet, so I might as well give that a try.Last edit: 2012-06-29 02:48:28 |
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| TheToast United States. June 29 2012 02:49. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 02:48 Sovano wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 02:42 TheToast wrote:
On June 29 2012 02:40 Sovano wrote:
Actually I was looking into Lenovo Y series, although someone on the forum recommended for me to look at a Kepler-based GPU instead. However, the Lenovo had a better processor (i7-2670QM), but an inferior GPU, GT 555M. Although I wasn't sure if going for a weaker processor (i5-2450M) with a GT 650M instead would be a considerable trade off in terms for gaming.
You'd be better off with the i7 and GT 555M. While the 650M is better, it's still pretty close. You'd get a better performance gain by jumping from an i5 to an i7. I still say you're better of going for something like an Asus, but that decision is obviously up to you.
Alright thanks. I still have about a month to keep looking around before I have to buy a laptop, so I'll probably look into some Asus laptops right now. I honestly haven't looked at their website yet, so I might as well give that a try.
They don't sell direct, you'd have to take a look at a retailer as well. |
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| Wabbit United States. June 29 2012 03:44. Posts 1007 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 02:42 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 02:40 Sovano wrote:
Actually I was looking into Lenovo Y series, although someone on the forum recommended for me to look at a Kepler-based GPU instead. However, the Lenovo had a better processor (i7-2670QM), but an inferior GPU, GT 555M. Although I wasn't sure if going for a weaker processor (i5-2450M) with a GT 650M instead would be a considerable trade off in terms for gaming.
You'd be better off with the i7 and GT 555M. While the 650M is better, it's still pretty close. You'd get a better performance gain by jumping from an i5 to an i7. I still say you're better of going for something like an Asus, but that decision is obviously up to you.
Completely disagree. Go for the 650M. It is noticeably faster and will make an actual (and huge) difference in 99% of games, whereas the i7 will rarely show better performance.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html (restrict to 555M and 650M)
These Intel CPU's are pretty much never the bottleneck in gaming laptops except in SC2, and even there the i5 2450M is going to be very, very close to the i7 2670QM due to extremely similar/identical 2-core turbo speeds, differing only in extra L3 cache. I have no doubt whatsoever than in those 555M benchmarks the CPU was not a bottleneck.Last edit: 2012-06-29 03:44:51 |
| | [QUOTE][B]On July 29 2011 13:35 R1CH wrote:[/B] 575W PSU for $25? ಠ_ಠ[/QUOTE] |
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| Myrmidon United States. June 29 2012 04:11. Posts 8496 | Profile Blog # |
Lenovo GT 555M sucks. Unless you regularly do workstation things that use all the cores and care about that performance over gaming performance, you want whatever has a GT 650M, at least in terms of hardware specs. A modern hyperthreaded dual core at reasonable clock speeds is plenty fine for gaming—overkill in many games and quite competent in pretty much everything else.
Usually I'd be much more worried about build quality, keyboard / trackpad / screen usability, battery / heat / noise, and so on, for a laptop. |
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| TheToast United States. June 29 2012 04:30. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 03:44 Wabbit wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 02:42 TheToast wrote:
On June 29 2012 02:40 Sovano wrote:
Actually I was looking into Lenovo Y series, although someone on the forum recommended for me to look at a Kepler-based GPU instead. However, the Lenovo had a better processor (i7-2670QM), but an inferior GPU, GT 555M. Although I wasn't sure if going for a weaker processor (i5-2450M) with a GT 650M instead would be a considerable trade off in terms for gaming.
You'd be better off with the i7 and GT 555M. While the 650M is better, it's still pretty close. You'd get a better performance gain by jumping from an i5 to an i7. I still say you're better of going for something like an Asus, but that decision is obviously up to you.
Completely disagree. Go for the 650M. It is noticeably faster and will make an actual (and huge) difference in 99% of games, whereas the i7 will rarely show better performance. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html (restrict to 555M and 650M) These Intel CPU's are pretty much never the bottleneck in gaming laptops except in SC2, and even there the i5 2450M is going to be very, very close to the i7 2670QM due to extremely similar/identical 2-core turbo speeds, differing only in extra L3 cache. I have no doubt whatsoever than in those 555M benchmarks the CPU was not a bottleneck.
Hmmmm I partially agree. It ovbiously depends on what he's doing. If he's primarily playing SC2 or doing other things like video editing, the i7 would be better.
But yes, I suppose you're right if he's just playing games in general the 650M might be a better choice. |
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| xeo1 United States. June 29 2012 17:16. Posts 359 | Profile # |
| bought a new pc (i5 3570k, z77 board, 8gb ram, corsair cx430, gtx 460).. yet in max army 1v1 battles I drop down to about 30 fps, with all LOW settings. I added the fps cap in variables.txt as well, 30 in menu 60 in game. what could be the problem? oO |
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| EdenPLusDucky Singapore. June 29 2012 17:25. Posts 566 | Profile Blog # |
| What's wrong with 30 fps? Your fps is meant to drop in max army battles, no CPU in the world can handle that yet. |
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| xeo1 United States. June 29 2012 17:37. Posts 359 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 17:25 EdenPLusDucky wrote:
What's wrong with 30 fps? Your fps is meant to drop in max army battles, no CPU in the world can handle that yet.
hm what if I got a better gpu?
EDIT: basically I'd like it smooth like pros on streams~Last edit: 2012-06-29 17:38:01 |
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| Wabbit United States. June 30 2012 00:03. Posts 1007 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 17:16 xeo1 wrote:
bought a new pc (i5 3570k, z77 board, 8gb ram, corsair cx430, gtx 460).. yet in max army 1v1 battles I drop down to about 30 fps, with all LOW settings. I added the fps cap in variables.txt as well, 30 in menu 60 in game. what could be the problem? oO
The problem is the way SC2 is programmed. There is absolutely nothing you can do to change that and a better video card won't change a thing.
The only solution is to overclock your CPU. That's why you paid extra for the "K" and Z77 so... start by doing a mild OC (like just increasing the multiplier to 42, disable turbo, leave everything else on auto - especially voltages - it should be stable). That'll increase your minimum FPS by quite a bit.
This is all assuming you have some aftermarket cooling, of course.Last edit: 2012-06-30 00:04:03 |
| | [QUOTE][B]On July 29 2011 13:35 R1CH wrote:[/B] 575W PSU for $25? ಠ_ಠ[/QUOTE] |
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| TheToast United States. June 30 2012 00:09. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2012 00:03 Wabbit wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 17:16 xeo1 wrote:
bought a new pc (i5 3570k, z77 board, 8gb ram, corsair cx430, gtx 460).. yet in max army 1v1 battles I drop down to about 30 fps, with all LOW settings. I added the fps cap in variables.txt as well, 30 in menu 60 in game. what could be the problem? oO
The problem is the way SC2 is programmed. There is absolutely nothing you can do to change that and a better video card won't change a thing. The only solution is to overclock your CPU. That's why you paid extra for the "K" and Z77 so... start by doing a mild OC (like just increasing the multiplier to 42, disable turbo, leave everything else on auto - especially voltages - it should be stable). That'll increase your minimum FPS by quite a bit. This is all assuming you have some aftermarket cooling, of course.
What?
He's got a high end i5 ivy bridge and you don't think that should be able to run SC2 above 30FPS on all Low settings? With everything on low he should be getting stupid high framerates, unless he left something like physics set on high. Also, the ivy bridges have been proving to get pretty hot when overclocked. Without an after market cooler I would not suggest trying this.
xeo1, open a new thread. This isn't really a simple question and trying to keep up with answers spread out over 3 pages is going to be annoying as hell. If you can, run something like a 3D mark or a PCmark just to give everyone a baseline idea of what type of performance you're getting out of your hardware. |
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| Medrea June 30 2012 01:24. Posts 9999 | Profile # |
| 30 FPS is a bit low for that setup unless the maxed confrontation is completely ridiculous. |
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