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[G] Warp Prism 4Gate PvT

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 Alejandrisha   United States. June 16 2011 16:06. Posts 5003
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Hello all. Cheese is not really my style, but I figured I’d mix it up a bit and show you all a nice little PvT all in that revolves around the warp prism. It's not only effective, but also very fun to execute. I’ve seen White-Ra do this a while back when a lot of tournaments used Scrap Station, and storm drops were much more reliable and viable in the mid game and served as a relatively smooth transition.

But since Scrap is used less in tournaments and the storm drop style is not as potent nor reliable as it once was, I’ve made a few changes to make it a stronger all-in but less flexible if a follow-up is needed.

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Last edit: 2012-03-09 12:11:33
probes get rich or die mining.
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 Geiko   France. June 16 2011 16:27. Posts 1603
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Good strat to have. The build in itself isn't anything new of course but the timings on your BO seem really nice. (For those who haven't watched the replay, it's 8 zealots in the mineral line and 2 zealots + 1 stalker at the ramp at 6:30)

I was wondering though why you chose to get only zealots ? In the ladder replays you warped in 3 stalkers in his mineral lines and it seemed like a much more stable army composition. It feels like it's too easy to kite or distract zealot-only armies.
Last edit: 2011-06-16 16:27:57
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  giuocob   United States. June 16 2011 16:30. Posts 149Profile # 
Really sweet build order. One thing I noted is that as the attack occurs, assuming i'm going zealot heavy and even with some stalker support, I end up with a large surplus of gas. Would it be worth considering taking one guy off gas as soon as the robo goes down for a little more mineral backing?
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 Alejandrisha   United States. June 16 2011 16:32. Posts 5003
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On June 16 2011 16:27 Geiko wrote:
Good strat to have. The build in itself isn't anything new of course but the timings on your BO seem really nice. (For those who haven't watched the replay, it's 8 zealots in the mineral line and 2 zealots + 1 stalker at the ramp at 6:30)

I was wondering though why you chose to get only zealots ? In the ladder replays you warped in 3 stalkers in his mineral lines and it seemed like a much more stable army composition. It feels like it's too easy to kite or distract zealot-only armies.


In the replay of the ladder game, I actually think warping in a round of zealots instead of stalkers would have been better. The zealots function much better than stalkers in weird situations where the terran is trying to figure out where he needs to position units in that they kill scvs faster when the scvs are on attack-move. I don't really need to kill the marines with the zealots, just prevent the scvs from mining, and the only way he can try to force his right to mine is by engaging the zealots with scv-marine. I think I might the stalker warp-in was out of panic from seeing the tech labbed star port, though they did seem to work pretty well because there is only so much surface area to be had with zealots in these situations.
Last edit: 2011-06-16 16:41:23
probes get rich or die mining.
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 Civzero   Canada. June 16 2011 16:34. Posts 14
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Very Nice :D Couldn't you cut the 4th gate though, and just get a Zealot from the 1st gateway before WG finishes? Same number of units when you hit, plus and extra 150 minerals for a later warp-in.
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 Alejandrisha   United States. June 16 2011 16:34. Posts 5003
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On June 16 2011 16:30 giuocob wrote:
Really sweet build order. One thing I noted is that as the attack occurs, assuming i'm going zealot heavy and even with some stalker support, I end up with a large surplus of gas. Would it be worth considering taking one guy off gas as soon as the robo goes down for a little more mineral backing?


I'd be careful about pulling a probe out of gas here. Stalkers do have their role in this build. They clean up very well after your zealots have denied mining for long enough in that you can micro them back from marines bouncing between the mineral line and the front and the scvs have been pulled indefinitely.

edit: Also, an additional probe on minerals is not going to add to much to your mineral income, as it would just be a 3rd probe on a less efficient mineral patch.
Last edit: 2011-06-16 16:41:44
probes get rich or die mining.
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  Ruscour   June 16 2011 16:35. Posts 5116Profile Blog # 
Well written, I'll be sure to learn this to have it in my arsenal because I have an appalling W/L ratio on Scrap Station against Terran.
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 Alejandrisha   United States. June 16 2011 16:37. Posts 5003
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On June 16 2011 16:34 _civ_ wrote:
Very Nice :D Couldn't you cut the 4th gate though, and just get a Zealot from the 1st gateway before WG finishes? Same number of units when you hit, plus and extra 150 minerals for a later warp-in.


Good question. I think that the real power of this build comes from the 4 zealots that you can barely afford when your prism is first stationed in the mineral line, and removing the 4th gate cuts that zealot out. Also, you don't really need an extra 150 minerals for the 3rd set of warp ins; It's true you can't sustain all 4 warpages after the initial warp-in inside the terran base, but having one less gate would mean you'd be stockpiling 150 additional minerals throughout your opening and you wouldn't have that 4th gate to dump it with. It'd be less all-in when everything you have is already on the other side of the map

edit: Let me clarify the bold text. You are capped on the timing of your WG research and warp prism training. Saving those 150 minerals won't make your WG come any faster nor will it make your warp prism come any faster.
Last edit: 2011-06-16 16:40:07
probes get rich or die mining.
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 QuAnTuM314   England. June 16 2011 17:12. Posts 114
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I am completely going to be trying this out on ladder all day ^_____^

If we get any good replays, do you want them to add to the OP or will you add your own?
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 YoyoDevo   United States. June 16 2011 17:23. Posts 42
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Would this work in pvp? I've seen whitera do a warp prism pvp build that looks like this one.
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 RimJaynor   Canada. June 16 2011 17:38. Posts 145
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vs Zerg.

This would work very well against my Ice Fisher Build. As long as you can defend the warp prism from my 4 queens its pretty much one of the best chances of taking an ice fisher build early game. You could pull off gas and mine straight mineral and just pump out z's, as you would only be going up against queens and slow lings. And then spines when they are uprooted from the front of the base.
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 sickle   New Zealand. June 16 2011 17:44. Posts 613
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Yea its pretty good in all match ups. I remember when tester tried this in the gsl and failed, got the prism sniped.
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 L4hlborg   Finland. June 16 2011 17:44. Posts 34
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Good, detailed guide. This looks like a lot of fun. Would this work in other matchups? I mean obviously this is good against terran walls and stuff but having the chance to do warp ins inside the main and at the front with a pylon could force a zerg opponent to run back and forth between his main and natural (which is quite a long run on scrap). I do like to use prisms vs zerg on scrap but haven't tried anything like this yet.
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 Dhul   Finland. June 16 2011 18:03. Posts 52
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A lot of people ask if this would work in other matchups. HELL YES this owns in pvp, especially if your opponent is teching hard (twilight, stargate). You probably wont win a 3gate robo build, because he will have alot of units (this is by my experience). You can do this White-ra style, if your gas is stolen, you build gates near the gas, after you have build your robo, so he "knows" that you are 4gating. Many players wont be ready for drop, because they will probably have sentries. Go watch the White-ra episode of MrBitters next 12 weeks. Special taktiks ftw!
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 CecilSunkure   United States. June 16 2011 18:04. Posts 2233
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You beat my teammate fox with this build? bm yo

Although it's a pretty nice build to know, thanks for the nice writeup!
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 FenneK   France. June 16 2011 18:42. Posts 1230
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so glad you went ahead and figured out the timings for this, im too lazy to sit down and tweak what i see on whitera's stream. this is an awesome build, so satisfying to pull off
good luck have batman
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 Alejandrisha   United States. June 16 2011 22:35. Posts 5003
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On June 16 2011 18:03 Banaanisaha wrote:
A lot of people ask if this would work in other matchups. HELL YES this owns in pvp, especially if your opponent is teching hard (twilight, stargate). You probably wont win a 3gate robo build, because he will have alot of units (this is by my experience). You can do this White-ra style, if your gas is stolen, you build gates near the gas, after you have build your robo, so he "knows" that you are 4gating. Many players wont be ready for drop, because they will probably have sentries. Go watch the White-ra episode of MrBitters next 12 weeks. Special taktiks ftw!


It's pretty ballsy to try in a pvp but it does have some value, I suppose.

Now that I think about it, it maybe force your opponent into heavy sentry play or a defensive 4gate because you look EXACTLY like you're going to 4gate until you drop the robo, at which point you have a stalker out to deny scouting. And then if a defensive 4gate feels you are not going to be aggressive, it's very possible he'd start cutting units and begin teching. I haven't done any testing with this so no promises here, though.

If your opponent goes for an offensive 4gate despite seeing your "4gate," you are dead, however.
probes get rich or die mining.
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 Forbs   United States. June 16 2011 22:53. Posts 73
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I do a modified version of this build myself (I actually knocked out your teammate Murder in an IPL qual with it). I get 2 more probes, 2nd gate before the robo, 3rd pylon, 2 more gates, 2 more units off the 2 gates, 2 chronos on Warp Prism, then load up everything. The Warp Prism usually loads up right when my WG finishes since I don't spend that much chrono on WG.

Concerning this in PvP, you get into a base trade situation if you do this against an offensive 4 gate, so you aren't completely dead.
Last edit: 2011-06-16 23:01:54
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 Alejandrisha   United States. June 16 2011 23:11. Posts 5003
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On June 16 2011 22:53 Forbs wrote:
I do a modified version of this build myself (I actually knocked out your teammate Murder in an IPL qual with it). I get 2 more probes, 2nd gate before the robo, 3rd pylon, 2 more gates, 2 more units off the 2 gates, 2 chronos on Warp Prism, then load up everything. The Warp Prism usually loads up right when my WG finishes since I don't spend that much chrono on WG.

Concerning this in PvP, you get into a base trade situation if you do this against an offensive 4 gate, so you aren't completely dead.


Nah you are dead. He has 6 stalkers and theres no way you can have any more than 4 on the first engagement if you warp in defensively, and you won't have the prism in his base until well after his push comes. Not to mention his wg will come ~20 seconds before yours because you got a robo and are expending 2 chronoboosts elsewhere
probes get rich or die mining.
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 Forbs   United States. June 16 2011 23:17. Posts 73
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I think the build I use has a better time dealing with an offensive 4 gate than yours. With either build though, you'll still be at a disadvantage immediately.

Anyways, this is a lot better for PvT.
Last edit: 2011-06-16 23:17:58
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