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| Alejandrisha United States. June 16 2011 16:06. Posts 5003 | Profile Blog # |
Last edit: 1/20/12
Hello all. Cheese is not really my style, but I figured I’d mix it up a bit and show you all a nice little PvT all in that revolves around the warp prism. It's not only effective, but also very fun to execute. I’ve seen White-Ra do this a while back when a lot of tournaments used Scrap Station, and storm drops were much more reliable and viable in the mid game and served as a relatively smooth transition.
But since Scrap is used less in tournaments and the storm drop style is not as potent nor reliable as it once was, I’ve made a few changes to make it a stronger all-in but less flexible if a follow-up is needed.
Intro + Show Spoiler +Essentially, you are 1-gas 4gating, but doing so from inside your enemy’s base. Sounds baller enough. This build will be most effective on Scrap Station and Metal/Temple in close air spawns. While this build does involve 4gateways, you also have a robotics facility in case you infiltrate your enemy's base to find he is trying to squeeze out a super fast cloak and you can't kill the tech lab without losing a significant amount of units. No problem; you can have an observer in his base by the time it finishes if you see it quickly enough.
Build + Show Spoiler +9 Pylon 12 Gateway 14 Gas 16 Pylon 17 Core 18 Zealot 21 Stalker 23 Zealot 26 Robo
26/26 - 16 probes on minerals, 3 on gas, 1 holding tower to check for a push/reaper
26 3xGateway 26 2xPylon 26 Warp prism 4 Zealots warped at 3rd pylon 4 Zealots warped into terran mineral line
Note- Your first 100 gas goes to WG + Stalker. Your next 100 goes to the robo.
Chrono Boost Usage + Show Spoiler +Your attention to detail here can make or break your timing. Your CB appropriation should be as follows:
2 on nexus (11, 13) 1 on your initial stalker 3 on WG research 1 on warp prism
This will ensure that your gateways and WG research finish at the same time, and that your warp prism will arrive at the edge of your base the instant your 4 zealots finish warping in. Be wary; if you miss a CB on anything, your attack will be slightly delayed. Practice this against the AI a couple of times and it'll become very easy and intuitive to you.
A word on Building Placement + Show Spoiler +The locations of your structures can come into play, be it because of a scan, a floating factory, or a reaper that you weren't able to catch. I prefer to place my 2nd pylon slightly away from where a scan would be centered and far from where a floating building would hover over.
If you spawn towards the west, this means you would place your 2nd pylon off to the left of your nexus; if you spawn towards the east, you'd place it southeast of your nexus. Here, you would want to place 1 or 2 of your gateways so that the terran won't see 4 gateways and a robo the instant he places that scan or hovers a factory. I prefer to keep the robo at the first pylon, as this is not much of a tell and gives the impression of standard play
I've tried proxying the 2nd pylon to hide additional gateways, but this doesn't seem to be a viable option. You sacrifice either your scouting probe's time at the watch tower or the mining time of a precious additional probe. Your robo shouldn't be right at the edge of your base, as this is kind of a tell and the timing works out so your warp prism is allowed a bit of flight time to reach the pick-up location.
Your 3rd pylon should be right at the edge of your base towards your opponent. This will be where you warp in your zealots. Your 4th pylon can be anywhere. You can even lay this pylon outside the front of your enemy's base in case you need to apply 2-prong pressure later on.
Denying scouting + Show Spoiler +For the greatest chance of success, you're not going to want your opponent to know exactly what your up to. He can scout you 4 different ways. He can scan you. This is why you want your additional 1 or 2 gates off to the side spaced just far from your other infrastructure so that your pseudoproxy pylon doesn't raise any suspicion and will not fall under where you think he is most likely to scan. He can poke with 3 bio units. Sentries cut into your gas way too hard and the ramp is pretty big, so you won't be getting any of those. They're imba anyway  Your zealot-stalker-zealot should fare well against 2 marauders and a marine, but you might want to pull a few probes just to be safe. He can reaper scout you. You'll end up losing your scouting probe if it's at the tower, but you'll at least know it's coming. You'll want to have your stalker in a good position to catch it at the top of your cliff where you'd have your 2nd pylon, with your zealot below the ramp to see if he chooses that route. He can float a building. See the section on building placement. He might ignore your stalker and continue floating but the time it takes him to scout your 2nd set of gateways is sufficient. He will, however, most likely see the prism and your warpins depending on the route he takes which means you'll have to get crafty with the angle you fly your warp prism and utilize a proxy pylon at the front of his base (he won't have a reaper if he floats a building so your scouting probe should be alive).
Unit Selection + Show Spoiler +Obviously, zealots will be extremely strong in your initial bust. You can whack on scvs and they'll be stronger against marine-scv attack-move than stalkers because you won't be guaranteed much space to micro.
In the case your opponent opened 1-1-1, you'll want at least a round of stalkers to deal with the banshee while your zealots work on the repairing scvs (in the meantime chronoboosting out an observer if you see that the tech lab on the starport is active).
Against a bio expand, you'll want a mix of zealot stalker with heavy emphasis on zealots. If your opponent was trying to siege expand, you can warp in sentries for all I care; you pretty much get a build order win so to say.
Against a 1base bio play, your best off warping in almost exclusively zealots and trying to kill as many scv's as possible since you have the lowest chance of success against this kind of opening. Killing off lots of scvs will at least grant you a chance of breaking even if your attack doesn't deliver a killing blow.
Transitions + Show Spoiler +The only time you are going to want to transition is if your opponent is massing bio off of one base. You got in, killed a bunch of SCV's and now you have 20 probes to your name. You're going to want to start your 2nd gas and get an observer in his base to check if he is going to expand afterwards or just power off of his barracks and try to kill you.
If he is expanding, go ahead and take your own. Just be wary of being greedy on chronoboosted probes, as you'll most likely only have gateway units and an immortal or 2 if he tries for an early 2 base timing.
If he is not expanding (make sure you check the gold with a probe and the isles with an observer just to be safe), get that 2nd gas and get jiggy with sentries. You're going to have to buy a lot of time with double forcefields and wear his medivac-less bio down with additional forcefields in order to win your inevitable last stand at the ramp.
The Engagement + Show Spoiler +You have your stalker and 2 zealots below his ramp outside of bunker range but perhaps threatening to creep up the ramp. Your warp prism is full of zealots and on its way towards the mineral line. Fly it across the mineral line and drop on top of the prism so it drops while moving. Begin phase mode after you have dropped a zealot or 2 and immediately warp in 4 zealots. Target scvs while your opponent is trying to figure out what in the hell just happened and put your prism in transport mode once the 4 zealots have COMPLETELY FINISHED WARPRING IN. If you ship your zealots to Auir prematurely because you were too jumpy on the trigger finger, you'll be forced to surrender red-cheeked with your tail betwixt your legs.
You may then reposition the prism so it is less susceptible to attack; I prefer to have it straddling the mineral line so that I may warp in stalkers behind the mineral line and zealots directly into the fray. You'll only be able to warp in 3 units on the second warp in if you manage to keep every single one of your inital units alive because of a supply cap, but this is negligible because losses are inevitable.
He's probably going to have a bunker and will try to bounce his bio between the mineral line and the bunker. Pick off what marines you can without having your forces in the main take too much damage from the bunker. In the meantime, poke up with your stalker and 2 zealots below the ramp and apply pressure there, as well. This forces him to keep more units at the front, which essentially shuts down his mining as he can't cover both places at once unless he is 3raxing (in which case he might not even have a bunker, which is good news). Your primary goal is to halt his mining. If he tries to engage you with scv-marine, your zealots will do extremely well by themselves. If he pulls his scvs and only engages with marines to kite your zealots, add stalkers to prevent this; Just don't let them get surrounded by scvs.
You're essentially denying him mules this whole time by preventing uninterrupted mining while killing as many scvs as possible. Believe it or not, this engagement might last a few minutes but your mining is perfect while his will eventually dry up. If it looks like he is fine with halting mining and camping by his bunker, start adding pylons for more stalkers to prevent him from kiting your zealots to the bunker over and over
Tid Bits + Show Spoiler +You only have 16 mining probes so make the most of them! The more attention you pay to mineral pairing in the beginning, the tighter your timings will be. This applies not only to this build in particular, but any style you'll ever use. Try to make sure you can take your gas on 14 without cutting probes after 2 chronoboosts. Start practicing! Also, once you have all 16 probes on minerals, make sure they aren't tripling up on ineficient mineral patches, as this will severely impair your mineral income.
Chances are, you don't use prisms too often. I know I don't use them enough. By using this build here and there, you'll grow more comfortable with the warp prism's mechanics and you will see how strong zealots can be when warped away from the "death ball;" see Plexa's guide on warp prisms for additional applications.
Pics + Show Spoiler +This is hopefully what a scan would see. The 2nd pylon could afford to be slightly farther to the left. Shoutout to Artosis  ![[image loading]](http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n536/alej15/Screenshot2011-06-1602_18_18.jpg?t=1308205477) This is what you don't want the scan to see. The gates could be on the left of the pylon and further from the nexus. ![[image loading]](http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n536/alej15/Screenshot2011-06-1602_18_23.jpg) This is your 3rd pylon, where you will be warping in. Your prism should be rallied here and your warping in zealots should be rallied into the prism. Make sure you get all 4 in one sweep. ![[image loading]](http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n536/alej15/Screenshot2011-06-1602_18_47.jpg) This is what happens when you face a 1;1;1 into 3;1;1 all in timing, a pretty common opener on this map. I draw the forces from the bunker to the mineral line then force him to engage at the front by pushing with my 3 initial units. He can no longer mine and I can wear his unit count down. ![[image loading]](http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n536/alej15/Screenshot2011-06-1602_22_19.jpg)
Replays + Show Spoiler +
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| Geiko France. June 16 2011 16:27. Posts 1603 | Profile Blog # |
Good strat to have. The build in itself isn't anything new of course but the timings on your BO seem really nice. (For those who haven't watched the replay, it's 8 zealots in the mineral line and 2 zealots + 1 stalker at the ramp at 6:30)
I was wondering though why you chose to get only zealots ? In the ladder replays you warped in 3 stalkers in his mineral lines and it seemed like a much more stable army composition. It feels like it's too easy to kite or distract zealot-only armies.Last edit: 2011-06-16 16:27:57 |
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giuocob United States. June 16 2011 16:30. Posts 149 | Profile # |
| Really sweet build order. One thing I noted is that as the attack occurs, assuming i'm going zealot heavy and even with some stalker support, I end up with a large surplus of gas. Would it be worth considering taking one guy off gas as soon as the robo goes down for a little more mineral backing? |
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| Alejandrisha United States. June 16 2011 16:32. Posts 5003 | Profile Blog # |
On June 16 2011 16:27 Geiko wrote: Good strat to have. The build in itself isn't anything new of course but the timings on your BO seem really nice. (For those who haven't watched the replay, it's 8 zealots in the mineral line and 2 zealots + 1 stalker at the ramp at 6:30)
I was wondering though why you chose to get only zealots ? In the ladder replays you warped in 3 stalkers in his mineral lines and it seemed like a much more stable army composition. It feels like it's too easy to kite or distract zealot-only armies.
In the replay of the ladder game, I actually think warping in a round of zealots instead of stalkers would have been better. The zealots function much better than stalkers in weird situations where the terran is trying to figure out where he needs to position units in that they kill scvs faster when the scvs are on attack-move. I don't really need to kill the marines with the zealots, just prevent the scvs from mining, and the only way he can try to force his right to mine is by engaging the zealots with scv-marine. I think I might the stalker warp-in was out of panic from seeing the tech labbed star port, though they did seem to work pretty well because there is only so much surface area to be had with zealots in these situations.Last edit: 2011-06-16 16:41:23 |
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| Civzero Canada. June 16 2011 16:34. Posts 14 | Profile # |
| Very Nice :D Couldn't you cut the 4th gate though, and just get a Zealot from the 1st gateway before WG finishes? Same number of units when you hit, plus and extra 150 minerals for a later warp-in. |
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| Alejandrisha United States. June 16 2011 16:34. Posts 5003 | Profile Blog # |
On June 16 2011 16:30 giuocob wrote: Really sweet build order. One thing I noted is that as the attack occurs, assuming i'm going zealot heavy and even with some stalker support, I end up with a large surplus of gas. Would it be worth considering taking one guy off gas as soon as the robo goes down for a little more mineral backing?
I'd be careful about pulling a probe out of gas here. Stalkers do have their role in this build. They clean up very well after your zealots have denied mining for long enough in that you can micro them back from marines bouncing between the mineral line and the front and the scvs have been pulled indefinitely.
edit: Also, an additional probe on minerals is not going to add to much to your mineral income, as it would just be a 3rd probe on a less efficient mineral patch.Last edit: 2011-06-16 16:41:44 |
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Ruscour June 16 2011 16:35. Posts 5116 | Profile Blog # |
| Well written, I'll be sure to learn this to have it in my arsenal because I have an appalling W/L ratio on Scrap Station against Terran. |
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| Alejandrisha United States. June 16 2011 16:37. Posts 5003 | Profile Blog # |
On June 16 2011 16:34 _civ_ wrote: Very Nice :D Couldn't you cut the 4th gate though, and just get a Zealot from the 1st gateway before WG finishes? Same number of units when you hit, plus and extra 150 minerals for a later warp-in.
Good question. I think that the real power of this build comes from the 4 zealots that you can barely afford when your prism is first stationed in the mineral line, and removing the 4th gate cuts that zealot out. Also, you don't really need an extra 150 minerals for the 3rd set of warp ins; It's true you can't sustain all 4 warpages after the initial warp-in inside the terran base, but having one less gate would mean you'd be stockpiling 150 additional minerals throughout your opening and you wouldn't have that 4th gate to dump it with. It'd be less all-in when everything you have is already on the other side of the map 
edit: Let me clarify the bold text. You are capped on the timing of your WG research and warp prism training. Saving those 150 minerals won't make your WG come any faster nor will it make your warp prism come any faster.Last edit: 2011-06-16 16:40:07 |
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| QuAnTuM314 England. June 16 2011 17:12. Posts 114 | Profile Blog # |
I am completely going to be trying this out on ladder all day ^_____^
If we get any good replays, do you want them to add to the OP or will you add your own? |
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| YoyoDevo United States. June 16 2011 17:23. Posts 42 | Profile # |
| Would this work in pvp? I've seen whitera do a warp prism pvp build that looks like this one. |
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| RimJaynor Canada. June 16 2011 17:38. Posts 145 | Profile # |
vs Zerg.
This would work very well against my Ice Fisher Build. As long as you can defend the warp prism from my 4 queens its pretty much one of the best chances of taking an ice fisher build early game. You could pull off gas and mine straight mineral and just pump out z's, as you would only be going up against queens and slow lings. And then spines when they are uprooted from the front of the base. Last edit: 2011-06-16 17:40:30 |
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| sickle New Zealand. June 16 2011 17:44. Posts 613 | Profile Blog # |
| Yea its pretty good in all match ups. I remember when tester tried this in the gsl and failed, got the prism sniped. |
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| L4hlborg Finland. June 16 2011 17:44. Posts 34 | Profile # |
| Good, detailed guide. This looks like a lot of fun. Would this work in other matchups? I mean obviously this is good against terran walls and stuff but having the chance to do warp ins inside the main and at the front with a pylon could force a zerg opponent to run back and forth between his main and natural (which is quite a long run on scrap). I do like to use prisms vs zerg on scrap but haven't tried anything like this yet. |
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| Dhul Finland. June 16 2011 18:03. Posts 52 | Profile # |
| A lot of people ask if this would work in other matchups. HELL YES this owns in pvp, especially if your opponent is teching hard (twilight, stargate). You probably wont win a 3gate robo build, because he will have alot of units (this is by my experience). You can do this White-ra style, if your gas is stolen, you build gates near the gas, after you have build your robo, so he "knows" that you are 4gating. Many players wont be ready for drop, because they will probably have sentries. Go watch the White-ra episode of MrBitters next 12 weeks. Special taktiks ftw! |
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| CecilSunkure United States. June 16 2011 18:04. Posts 2233 | Profile Blog # |
You beat my teammate fox with this build? bm yo 
Although it's a pretty nice build to know, thanks for the nice writeup! |
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| FenneK France. June 16 2011 18:42. Posts 1230 | Profile # |
| so glad you went ahead and figured out the timings for this, im too lazy to sit down and tweak what i see on whitera's stream. this is an awesome build, so satisfying to pull off |
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| Alejandrisha United States. June 16 2011 22:35. Posts 5003 | Profile Blog # |
On June 16 2011 18:03 Banaanisaha wrote: A lot of people ask if this would work in other matchups. HELL YES this owns in pvp, especially if your opponent is teching hard (twilight, stargate). You probably wont win a 3gate robo build, because he will have alot of units (this is by my experience). You can do this White-ra style, if your gas is stolen, you build gates near the gas, after you have build your robo, so he "knows" that you are 4gating. Many players wont be ready for drop, because they will probably have sentries. Go watch the White-ra episode of MrBitters next 12 weeks. Special taktiks ftw!
It's pretty ballsy to try in a pvp but it does have some value, I suppose.
Now that I think about it, it maybe force your opponent into heavy sentry play or a defensive 4gate because you look EXACTLY like you're going to 4gate until you drop the robo, at which point you have a stalker out to deny scouting. And then if a defensive 4gate feels you are not going to be aggressive, it's very possible he'd start cutting units and begin teching. I haven't done any testing with this so no promises here, though.
If your opponent goes for an offensive 4gate despite seeing your "4gate," you are dead, however. |
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| Forbs United States. June 16 2011 22:53. Posts 73 | Profile # |
I do a modified version of this build myself (I actually knocked out your teammate Murder in an IPL qual with it). I get 2 more probes, 2nd gate before the robo, 3rd pylon, 2 more gates, 2 more units off the 2 gates, 2 chronos on Warp Prism, then load up everything. The Warp Prism usually loads up right when my WG finishes since I don't spend that much chrono on WG.
Concerning this in PvP, you get into a base trade situation if you do this against an offensive 4 gate, so you aren't completely dead.Last edit: 2011-06-16 23:01:54 |
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| Alejandrisha United States. June 16 2011 23:11. Posts 5003 | Profile Blog # |
On June 16 2011 22:53 Forbs wrote: I do a modified version of this build myself (I actually knocked out your teammate Murder in an IPL qual with it). I get 2 more probes, 2nd gate before the robo, 3rd pylon, 2 more gates, 2 more units off the 2 gates, 2 chronos on Warp Prism, then load up everything. The Warp Prism usually loads up right when my WG finishes since I don't spend that much chrono on WG.
Concerning this in PvP, you get into a base trade situation if you do this against an offensive 4 gate, so you aren't completely dead.
Nah you are dead. He has 6 stalkers and theres no way you can have any more than 4 on the first engagement if you warp in defensively, and you won't have the prism in his base until well after his push comes. Not to mention his wg will come ~20 seconds before yours because you got a robo and are expending 2 chronoboosts elsewhere |
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| Forbs United States. June 16 2011 23:17. Posts 73 | Profile # |
I think the build I use has a better time dealing with an offensive 4 gate than yours. With either build though, you'll still be at a disadvantage immediately.
Anyways, this is a lot better for PvT.Last edit: 2011-06-16 23:17:58 |
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